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#21 Posted on 18.5.02 0125.05
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just thought i'd weigh in with my useless opinion as well. i hated phantom menace and with all the bad reviews i read (except here), i wasn't expecting anything better. well, it was infintely better than episode 1 IMO and i'm much more excited for episode 3 than i was before.
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#22 Posted on 18.5.02 1314.24
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The only thing I'm wondering is why Qui Gon never showed up glowing like Yoda, Anakin, and Obi-Wan do at the end of Jedi. Weren't you just waiting for Qui Gon to be there glowing when Obi-Wan was locked up in Dooku's lair?

I dunno, just seems odd that there was no Qui Glowing going on even though he was a Jedi Master.

Jango Fett getting decapitated was cool.

The chase scene at the begining was highly reminiscent to what happened in the Fifth Element.

Also, even though the movie was awesome and well paced,
Yoda fighting was the reason you and I paid around 8 bucks to get inside a big dark room, nonetheless.

It should also be noted that I went to the Midnight showing, which was the first showing. They did a countdown, and be proud, because rather than countdown with them, I responded "What?" after each number. By 3, I had half the audience doing it.
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#23 Posted on 18.5.02 1316.57
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"Jango Fett getting decapitated was cool."


That, and some of the other violence bothered me quite a bit. I enjoy hyper violence and gore much more than the next man, but the Star Wars movies are kid's films, and I think that Lucas is giving into the pressure of dorks with computers who are upset that the movies didn't grow up with them. It was overdone.
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#24 Posted on 18.5.02 1346.25
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"That, and some of the other violence bothered me quite a bit."


Grow a pair already. Jesus Christ, you cannot possibly police the world. The world in which children are growing up in today is vastly different from even the one I grew up in (early 80's). C'mon... there wasn't any blood, and it's not as if he beat him to death with a club. Hell, you didn't even see his head, just the helmet.

I'd be willing to bet that you were on the bandwagon of saying that Episode 1 was geared towards childrent too much, but now you're upset that Jango Fett's costume got decapitated? These movies are still relatively geared towards children. Even when Anakin flipped shit, you only saw him kill like two enemies. Read the book, it's much more gruesome.

If the violence was overdone in your mind, then Portman should not have been allowed to wear those outfits. She was way too sexy for young children to see. It would be better if we dressed her in a shroud and hid her face... oh wait, that's another culture entirely.
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#25 Posted on 18.5.02 1831.51
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Just got back and it was totally awesome. I distinctly heard Vader's breathing during the "ANAKIN, NO!" thingie when Yoda was meditating. Hmmm...perhaps Yoda has seen the future on Anakin's heal turn?
This movie was very action packed, I thought. How can you all say the beginning had no action?

Yoda is Jet Li in disguise.
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#26 Posted on 19.5.02 1208.15
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No, I appreciated that Episode 1 was made with kids in mind, but lamented how boring it was. The book isn't marketed towards kids, and therefore I could care less how violent it is. The movie is, and I think it is overdone. I have this problems with most movies, as they don't know how to use violence right. They seem to want a violent fight scene, but pussy out. This half-assed approach bugs me, but it bugs me more because the movie is geared towards children.

And sex and violence are too entirely different things. The violence was done to try and make the movie more intense and shocking, which is too much for small kids.
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#27 Posted on 19.5.02 1407.51
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Hey, eviljonhunt, I just went to your site and read your review and I have a question. You wrote:

"Dooku is the bad guy that we are supposed to believe is a bad ass, yet he doesn't do anything and then gets killed at the end"

AIRC, Dooku didn't die. Wasn't he hanging out with Palpatine at the end?
Did you even pay attention to this movie?
But I might be wrong.
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#28 Posted on 19.5.02 1427.33
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I doubt he pays much attention to anything Star Wars, or else jon would see that A New Hope had and arm severing, Empire had an arm severing, Jedi had people being eaten by a Rancor, the violence in Attack isn't gratuitous. Occasional violence is part of the Star Wars saga. If it were being overtly violent for the sake of the net geeks we would have seen all of the Tuskens get slaughtered wholesale. But we didn't.
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#29 Posted on 19.5.02 1527.17
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    This half-assed approach bugs me, but it bugs me more because the movie is geared towards children.


So wait... half assed violence when it's geared toward children pisses you off more than full blown blood and gore?
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#30 Posted on 19.5.02 1729.33
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    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    I doubt he pays much attention to anything Star Wars, or else jon would see that A New Hope had and arm severing, Empire had an arm severing, Jedi had people being eaten by a Rancor, the violence in Attack isn't gratuitous. Occasional violence is part of the Star Wars saga. If it were being overtly violent for the sake of the net geeks we would have seen all of the Tuskens get slaughtered wholesale. But we didn't.


Not only that, but didn't Empire have a...beheading? I think that this movie sits about squarely in the middle quality wise (better than Phantom Menace and Jedi, worse than A New Hope and Empire). Awesome action and some cool moments, but some really drippy dialogue (the "sand" line REALLY sticks out in my mind. Did the factory scene remind anyone of the part in Galaxy Quest with the steel pistons?
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#31 Posted on 19.5.02 1731.23
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it bugs me more because it is violent and geared towards children. If it wasn't geared towards children, it bugs me that it's so half-assed.

Dooku didn't die? Then who did Yoda kill? Wait, he did get away. Not that it matters, as he's still some joke of a character that doesn't do anything impressive yet we're supposed to be in awe of him.
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#32 Posted on 19.5.02 1823.03
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    Not that it matters, as he's still some joke of a character that doesn't do anything impressive yet we're supposed to be in awe of him

Didn't do anything impressive? He:
1) defeated Obi-Wan Kenobi in a lightsaber battle
2) defeated the eventual Darth Vader in a lightsaber battle
3) showed he can shoot lightening
4) and fought to a draw w/ a Jedi master in a lightsaber battle

I'd say that is pretty impressive, especially #4
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#33 Posted on 19.5.02 1913.43
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he did that all at the very end. He and Darth Maul don't do anything for two hours, and then we're supposed to buy them being all evil and bad ass. Darth Vader was killing people and blowing planets up for three movies before he was defeated. That was bad ass.
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#34 Posted on 19.5.02 1950.14
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      Not that it matters, as he's still some joke of a character that doesn't do anything impressive yet we're supposed to be in awe of him

    Didn't do anything impressive? He:
    1) defeated Obi-Wan Kenobi in a lightsaber battle
    2) defeated the eventual Darth Vader in a lightsaber battle
    3) showed he can shoot lightening
    4) and fought to a draw w/ a Jedi master in a lightsaber battle

    I'd say that is pretty impressive, especially #4



Yes I'd agree that Dooku, aka Darth Tyrannus, was a pretty mean bad-ass in the movie. And considering all things, possibly even more of a "bad-ass" than Yoda. Yeah Yoda was sweet, flipping all over the place and all. But he wasn't the end-all of Lightsaber masters. Dooku fended him off very well, AFTER fighting both Obi-Wan and Anakin.

So, while it's unknown who would have won since Yoda had to stop fighting to save OB1 and Anakin, I'd say it would be real close(in fantasy world). Plus Dooku had that crazy shaped lightsaber, which looks to be harder to hold than a normal one.

Plus the guy's 80 years old.

Plus he played both sides extremely well. (Is Dooku the one who ordered the Clone army 10 years ago?)

Also, did you notice that Dooku was Yoda's padiwan apprentice, and Qui-Gon was Dooku's padiwan apprentice? So that linked things together well.

I just wish some more of the things from Episode 1 were acknowledged. Like Qui-Gon(why isn't he a spirit now, because of the way he died? Notice in E1 he didn't disappear like Kenobi did in Episode 4 and yoda did in ROTJ), Darth Maul(not even mentioned), and Maul's dual lightsaber. Why wasn't that utilized by anyone else.

All in all it's just more nit-picking, which is a plus to the series. Without such an intricate story, you don't have as much detail to discuss.
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#35 Posted on 19.5.02 1959.24
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    it bugs me that it's so half-assed.


What's really bothersome is your half-assed logic... it just doesn't make any sense at all.



    Dooku didn't die? Then who did Yoda kill? Wait, he did get away. Not that it matters, as he's still some joke of a character that doesn't do anything impressive yet we're supposed to be in awe of him.


What? Did you even watch the movie, or did you just throw up your hands in frustration at the half-assed violence that was geared toward children?

And I'm also very afraid of my kid attempting to decaptitate me with a light saber.
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#36 Posted on 19.5.02 2036.32
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    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn

      it bugs me that it's so half-assed.


    What's really bothersome is your half-assed logic... it just doesn't make any sense at all.



      And I'm also very afraid of my kid attempting to decaptitate me with a light saber.


    No no no. What I am afraid of is that my kid will build an army of robots to battle the kid's next door army of clones made with cells from the town's bounty hunter. That or they may decide to ride my pet watermelon (come on they looked like watermelons with heads) to impress his want to be girlfriend.
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#37 Posted on 19.5.02 2101.37
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here's my half assed logic:

Violence is rarely handled well in American movies. "violent" movies tend to have one uneccessary violent act that isn't particularly gruesome, but everyone considers it going too far, and "non-violent" movies, or I guess less violent would be better, tend to have a lot more violence than one would expect. I hate weak attempts at violence, which is what Star Wars II was. Lucas wanted to make it more violent to satisfy nerds with computers, but still wanted to make a kid's movie, and it came out in some muddled middle ground, with unecessary shots of decapitation, but nothing else. A flash of ultra-violence which is too much for a kid's film, but not enough for a film that treats violence seriously.

And I'm glad to see that you all took one valid criticism and decided to joke about it rather than address how boring the movie was and cheesy the fights were. They bumblefucked around the galaxy for two hours, then we saw shitty looking cartoons fighting one of the most boring fights I've seen.
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#38 Posted on 19.5.02 2140.09
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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    here's my half assed logic:

    Violence is rarely handled well in American movies. "violent" movies tend to have one uneccessary violent act that isn't particularly gruesome, but everyone considers it going too far, and "non-violent" movies, or I guess less violent would be better, tend to have a lot more violence than one would expect. I hate weak attempts at violence, which is what Star Wars II was. Lucas wanted to make it more violent to satisfy nerds with computers, but still wanted to make a kid's movie, and it came out in some muddled middle ground, with unecessary shots of decapitation, but nothing else. A flash of ultra-violence which is too much for a kid's film, but not enough for a film that treats violence seriously.



This is not a kids movie. A kids movie is a disney cartoon or a Doug movie. Yes lucas does add parts to the movie that kids will like (C3PO parts) but I dont think any of the 5 movies have been what you can consider a kids movie (Just because a movie has a PG rating does not mean it was made for little kids). It may be a TEEN movie but if it is a teen moive then there is no way you can call this ultra-violence. Its 2002, teenagers (and I would say older preteens but that debate is for another day) can handle someone in a movie getting his head cut off (without any blood)
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#39 Posted on 19.5.02 2211.41
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How old were those of us here the first time we saw Star Wars? I was probably 3 or 4. They are and have been kids movies. not that young, perhaps, but I'd say they are aimed at 10 year olds, and I think this most recent one is still marketed towards kids that age, but Lucas added several elements that are too much for kids that age.
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#40 Posted on 19.5.02 2215.09
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Yeah I was four and they were STILL violent jon. Try a counterpoint buddy. Han shot Greedo in cold blood. There's ANOTHER example of why the ORIGINAL three were not just for kids. Christ man, these movies aren't any more violent now than the old ones. What is stopping you from seeing that?
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