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#41 Posted on 25.1.06 0744.30
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    Note that the Harperites got NO SEATS in any of the three main urban centres. NONE.

    These aren't the Red Tories of yesteryear. This are scary Buchananist Neo-Con turds. It's not going to take long for this party's mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and religious kookery (Stockwell Day is one of those morons who think the Universe is only 6000 years old... imgaine making him minister of foreign affairs.... what a national embarrassment!) to spook the rest of the country into reconsidering this little electoral experiment.


    (edited by Stilton on 24.1.06 2323)


You've been reading some interesting pamphlets. I don't recall seeing "mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and religious kookery" in the Conservative platform.

The reality is, not much will change. One centrist government replaced by another. Any legislation is going to involve co-operation across the board.

As we all know, the national sport of Canada is compromise.
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#42 Posted on 25.1.06 0837.23
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    Originally posted by The Goon
      Originally posted by Stilton
      Note that the Harperites got NO SEATS in any of the three main urban centres. NONE.

      These aren't the Red Tories of yesteryear. This are scary Buchananist Neo-Con turds. It's not going to take long for this party's mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and religious kookery (Stockwell Day is one of those morons who think the Universe is only 6000 years old... imgaine making him minister of foreign affairs.... what a national embarrassment!) to spook the rest of the country into reconsidering this little electoral experiment.


      (edited by Stilton on 24.1.06 2323)


    You've been reading some interesting pamphlets. I don't recall seeing "mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and religious kookery" in the Conservative platform..


Oh, no? (Don't forget, the MAJORITY of Canadians did NOT vote for the CPC)...


BLATANT Racism:

"The Europeans came to this country 300 years ago and opened it up and settled it and because we didn't kill the Indians and have Indian wars, that doesn't mean we didn't conquer these people. If they weren't in fact conquered then why did they allow themselves to be herded into little reserves on the most isolated, desolate, worthless parts of the country."

- Athabasca MP David Chatters on Aboriginal people.


"You’ve got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society."

- Stephen Harper, sounding like a fascist in search of a white conservative master-race in western Canada.


"[Government policy] is promoting diversity at the expense of unity and equality. "


- Gurmant Grewal, Conservative Multiculturalism Critic, Vancouver Sun, December 2nd 1997. Grewal had introduced a motion aimed to "prevent the reference to and designation of any Canadian or group of Canadians in a hyphenated form, based on race, religion, colour or place of origin." Again, step one in any fascist agenda is to erase any official recognition of another's heritage.


"Do you notice that in Toronto there has been increased crime from certain groups, like Jamaicans? "

- Calgary Northeast MP Art Hanger during a get-acquainted tour of Toronto's ethnic communities, to a storekeeper about crime, quoted in the Edmonton Journal, March 14th 1994.


"You can't scalp me because I haven't got much hair on top of my head."

- Saskatchewan Canadian Alliance candidate Brian Fitzpatrick during a native-organized candidates debate, November 2000.


"My riding has the largest Iranian population in the country. At least 40% of all the Iranians living there are refugee claimants. Most of them are bogus. "

- North Vancouver Conservative MP Ted White in the House of Commons, March 31 2003.


"I think that all the Indians should all be sent to Labrador, to all live together in peace and leave us in peace."

- Reform Party candidate Ricardo Lopez, The Montreal Gazette, June 4, 1988. In 2003 the Reform Alliance merged with the Progressive Conservative Party to create the Conservative Party of Canada.


"What happens if a boatload [of immigrants] comes over from wherever and decides that they want to to cast ballots?"

- Calgary West Conservative and complete asshole MP Rob Anders expressing opposition to landed immigrants having the right to vote in candidate nomination races, Edmonton Journal, October 2, 2000. Where are your anscestors from, Rob?

More from little Hitler, Rob Anders:

"[Honouring Nelson Mendela is a] total political-correctness poster-boy thing... He was a Communist. He was a terrorist... The Liberals always deprive us unanimous consent on all sorts of provisions. They wouldn't allow us to honour the Duke of Edinburgh and the Queen with regard to their wedding anniversary..."

- Conservative MP Rob Anders, explaining why he voted against a resolution to make former South African president Nelson Mendela an honourary Canadian citizen, June 6th, 2001.


A well-worded response:

"By calling Nelson Mandela 'a Communist and terrorist,' MP Rob Anders has adopted the language and the justification used for decades by the white supremacist apartheid regime to incarcerate, shoot, torture and murder hundreds of innocent people whose only crime was a longing for peace, social justice and equality. Today, P. W. Botha smiles steadfast from his grave at the resounding support... For shame indeed."

- Letter to the Globe and Mail from Michael Temelini, June 9th, 2001, concerning Conservative MP Rob Anders.




BLATANT Homophobia:

"I want the whole world to know that I do not condone homosexuals. I do not condone their activity. I do not like what they do. I think it is wrong. I think it is unnatural and I think it is totally immoral. I will object to it forever whenever they attack the good, traditional Canadian family unit that built the country."

- MP Myron Thompson.


"When you go into the issue of homosexuals and lesbians it's in the interest of society to have the right to discriminate against that group in areas of ... schools is one that comes to mind."

- Conservative Party Natural Resources critic Dave Chatters arguing in favour of discrimination against gays on a radio station in Westlock, Alberta, on April 30th 1996.


"For instance, I'm not opposed to gays, but if you bring one of those suckers into my school and they try to push their crap on my students, I have a problem with that. "

- MP Myron Thompson opposing education promoting understanding of gays in the Belleville Intelligencer, April 29th 1994.


"That's my guess, yes, especially where you have alcohol and drugs and mix that with very short-term changing sexual relationships... There's a lot of jealousy... they [homosexuals] are vengeful, and their health isn't very good. [Skinheads bashing gays] is one kind of marginalized group doing its thing against another marginalized sub-group, which essentially has nothing to do with human rights before the law. It's purely one gang going against another gang."

- New Westminster-Coquitlam Conservative MP Paul Forseth opposing legislation to protect gays from hate crimes, March 18th 1995, House of Commons.

"You’re being told this is good and normal and that you shouldn’t think that there’s anything wrong with it, which is what’s happening to our young people now in our schools. So they start looking and they start checking and they start experimenting, and this is what I’m talking about . . . an orchestrated recruitment plan. So you back it down to the impressionable and vulnerable and then bring it all the way through their life, and you know, this is quite understandable how this can happen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.


"The [homosexual] activists that organized in those days [encouraged] people of their persuasion to enter into educational fields, and to do this with the feeling of a mission, you know, of going out there as pioneers in a -- quote-- human rights area, and I think they were successful as we've seen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer, speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.



"When it comes to people who wish to live together, whether they are women or men, why do they have to be out here in the public always debating that they want to call it marriage? If they are going to live together, they can go live together and shut up about it."

- Conservative MP Elsie Wayne tells gays and lesbians to shut up.


"I do believe it was a mistake to have legalized it."

- Canadian Alliance family issues critic Larry Spencer speaking about homosexuality, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003. The U.S.-born former Baptist pastor also argued that the gay-rights movement’s recent successes in areas like same-sex marriage stem from a "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy.


BLATANT Misogyny:

"If a community decides this is how you're going to dress and these are the punishments, who are we to say [different]?"

- Cariboo-Chilcotin Conservative MP Phillip Mayfield when asked why he believed that the torture and imprisonment of women for not wearing a veil should not be grounds for granting asylum, The Globe and Mail, March 24, 1995.



"The establishment came down with a constitutional package which they put to a national referendum. The package included distinct society status for Quebec and some other changes, including some that would just horrify you, putting universal Medicare in our constitution, and feminist rights, and a whole bunch of other things."

- Conservative leader Stephen Harper, then vice-president of the National Citizens Coalition, in a June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy, a right-wing American think tank.

Oh, I'm getting tired. There's so much material!

As for the religious kookery, Goon. Just google the words "Stockwell Day" and "Dinosaur". You're in for a treat.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

--John Stuart Mill

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#43 Posted on 25.1.06 0938.12
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I didn't bother reading all the melodrama, but this is important:

    Originally posted by Stilton
    (Don't forget, the MAJORITY of Canadians did NOT vote for the CPC)...


Well, no, they didn't-it's not often that the party with the most seats has more than 50% of the popular vote. It's our system and we have to work with it.

My interest is how the current makeup of Parliament is going to best govern for all Canadians. I'm looking forward to progress made on items mentioned by the CPC during the campaign(such as the Federal Accountability Act).

I don't doubt that if a socially conservative agenda is pursued, Canadians will by and large reject the CPC the next time we go to the polls. I also don't doubt that some nutcase will spout off a load of garbage-in fact, I'm crossing my fingers that it'll be my MP, Rob Anders.
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#44 Posted on 25.1.06 1143.47
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Stilton, your version of rascism is a bit different than other people's I guess.


Chatters; What he said isn't rascist. "that doesn't mean we didn't conquer these people" means he think we did (which we did). He was pointing out that us white folk shafted the natives (which is true, we did shaft them).

Harper; He was saying that west of Winnipeg there are people who are dependent on Liberal social programs, dependent on the system so they HAVE to vote Liberal, because theLiberals have made them dependent. It just so happens that (gasp!) the cultural makeup of those ridings is what he said. Freeway420 made a comment earlier about Atlantic Canada being depenedent on Liberals/NDP, but he's note a rascist. Oh yeah, and can I have a date/time when he said this, please?

"Again, step one in any fascist agenda is to erase any official recognition of another's heritage"

Liberals are fascist because they're trying to wipe out my beliefs Please hate on them too.


I won't list all the one's regarding homosexuality. I see in your big happy list you didn't post anything about Knights of Columbus members being sued by homsexuals because they won't let them use their halls for their marriage receptions (I thought religous groups were supposed to have protection). You also didn't mention the teacher out west who didn't want books in his classs and got suspended w/o pay. Or those people writing letters to the editor and getting into legal trouble over it. All because of their beliefs.

Those quotes they said aren't homophobic. They're said in a reasonable manner with no hate to be found. Unlike your statements, which are filled with a fair bit of hate toward religous people.



Stilton, "kookery" and "homophobia" aren't in the party's official policy guide. And last time I checked, Stockwell Day is allowed to have personal opinions (sorta like how you're allowed to have opinions even though your boss and also customers don't share them). I guess because his is different than yours, that makes it less legitamite and he's not allowed to have any (regardless of how silly they may be).
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#45 Posted on 25.1.06 1310.00
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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Oh yeah, and can I have a date/time when he said this, please?


Here ya go!

“I think that Chrétien just doesn’t care. You’ve got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian Immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated in western Canadian society.” (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)

El Nastio,

I don't hate religious people in general. I hate it when religious people feel it's their duty to demand that everyone else in the world convert to their belief system. This goes for Islamic fundamentalists in the middle east who want to bomb the western infidels, and this goes for christians in North America who murder doctors who perform abortions, or who picket and slander people at gay weddings.

If you don't want to be gay yourself, fine. Don't fuck guys. If you don't want to marry another man, good for you. Don't marry Gary. I don't care.
But there are people who don't belong to your church who don't think religious beliefs should take precedence over civil matters. And if Gary and Max want to walk down the aisle and get hitched, bully for them. Unless they're Catholic, then the Catholic Church should keeps its nose out of it.

Just because Same-sex marriage is legal in Canada, that doesn't make you less Catholic. That doesn't make your marriage less heterosexual. It actually, legally, and in just about every way possible, has nothing to do with you whatsoever.

Religious beliefs, which are a matter of faith, are personal. Public policy, which is by definition public, should not be based on any one faith, but, in order to ensure the fair application of the law, should be based on secular ethics that does not favour one belief system over another, but rather allows for the greatest possible liberties for all.



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#46 Posted on 25.1.06 1352.39
Reposted on: 25.1.13 1352.44
    Originally posted by Stilton
    "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

    --John Stuart Mill



Don't you think it's sort of ironic that your post promoting tolerance and fighting against stereotypes ended with this particular quote?

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#47 Posted on 25.1.06 1616.31
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Don't you think it's sort of ironic that your post promoting tolerance and fighting against stereotypes ended with this particular quote?


You know, there are some people on here that throw such pouty fits that it makes me embarrassed to admit I'm a Liberal.
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#48 Posted on 25.1.06 2300.55
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    I don't hate religious people in general. I hate it when religious people feel it's their duty to demand that everyone else in the world convert to their belief system. This goes for Islamic fundamentalists in the middle east who want to bomb the western infidels, and this goes for christians in North America who murder doctors who perform abortions, or who picket and slander people at gay weddings.


It's been two days since the election. Thus far, the Conservatives haven't done anything to demand that everyone in Canada, much less in the world, converts to their belief system. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, either. Yes, there will be a free vote held on same-sex marriages, but people will vote in favour of keeping them around. I wouldn't worry about that. And why would the Conservatives want to try to force their values on the populace? Face it, they want to stay in power. Doing (or trying to do, since it'd never pass as legislation in a minority) radical things like banning abortion or instituting a draft or whatever other crazy things people are attributing to the Conservatives would kill their chances of being re-elected. So they won't.

Yes, there will be some right-wing loonies who will put forward stupid private-member bills. Those things will get shot down. But there were loonies among the Liberals as well. Remember Carolyn Parrish and her wacky anti-American quotes?

A minority Conservative government won't doom us all to the Stone Age. Heck, I doubt even a majority would. Just take this as a welcome change from the out of control Liberal corruption that was draining away at both our national coffers and our national pride. If the Liberals actually take the message and do a proper internal housecleaning, they'll likely be back in 2-4 years, and we can get the good perks of their government without the bad side effects that were running rampant throughout their last terms.
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