The W
Views: 100273843
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
31.10.07 1143
The 7 - Current Events & Politics - Tragedy in West Virginia, Miners Found Dead
This thread has 1 referral leading to it
Register and log in to post!
(192 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (5 total)
spf
Scrapple
Level: 133

Posts: 3423/5403
EXP: 27182496
For next: 670244

Since: 2.1.02
From: The Las Vegas of Canada

Since last post: 18 days
Last activity: 1 day
AIM:  
#1 Posted on 4.1.06 0948.03
Reposted on: 4.1.13 0949.36
So I went to bed last night believing that 12 of the miners in the West Virginia mine disaster had been found alive. Sadly, as most of us now know, this was incorrect, and they in fact found only 1 of 13 miners alive. (news.yahoo.com)

I feel awful for the families who had to suffer through this, only to come to such an awful ending. It fucking broke my heart this morning to hear that the reports were wrong and these men were not saved. However, when I heard about this, I found myself thinking about a ] http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=28350 (thread on here) from a week or two back, and the argument between AWARulz and DrDirt regarding the culpability of a company.

From CBS News (cbsnews.com)

    Originally posted by CBS
    The explosion raises questions about the safety record of the Sago Mine, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr. Federal and state inspectors wrote up more than 300 safety and health citations last year 46 in one 11-week period just before Christmas.

    "You had a mine that was operated by a company that had been in bankruptcy, that had recently been bought out and you have to start wondering whether they were cutting corners," coal industry expert Jeff Goodell told the CBS Evening News.


If they were cutting corners, or if they simply blew off these violations, what punishment will they feel? Some money? Having to pay a settlement? Maybe someone might have to resign with a Golden Parachute? Thank goodness in this case the big bad government didn't intervene and do anything to the poor aggreived business owners just trying to give people jobs.

If someone put a bomb in a diner in Sago and blew it up in the name of Islam killing 12 people, we would try to find the people who were responsible, we would try them and sentence them to death or we would kill them where they slept. They would go to Guantanamo, or prisons in Eastern Europe. Well, the same 12 men are dead. And it sure as hell looks like someone was malicious in overlooking these safety issues. I know I'm one of the resident lefties here, so I am asking those folks who are the usual defenders of the government and business, what do we do with a situation like this? Because frankly I am pissed off, and feel like 12 men were murdered for a cause, only in this case the cause was profit, not jihad.
Promote this thread!
AWArulz
Knackwurst
Level: 109

Posts: 1492/3399
EXP: 13525928
For next: 433762

Since: 28.1.02
From: Louisville, KY

Since last post: 16 hours
Last activity: 13 hours
AIM:  
Y!:
#2 Posted on 4.1.06 1036.09
Reposted on: 4.1.13 1036.11
Hey, I fee bad for the miners too. It's rough life, and I know plenty of people who are in or near the business.

And you can look it up - most mines have lots of safety violations, and without looking, I am sure this one does too. And most mines have deaths each year. It's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world.

I think right now we should reflect on the men who go down in these black holes so that we can have our thermostats set to 72 year round, and our facories and busnesses have electricity and not assign blame. I think there's plenty of time for that.
tricia
Bauerwurst
Level: 22

Posts: 27/99
EXP: 56428
For next: 1923

Since: 5.11.05

Since last post: 178 days
Last activity: 3 days
#3 Posted on 4.1.06 1207.48
Reposted on: 4.1.13 1208.10
Do they have a union?

Iago
Chourico
Level: 35

Posts: 255/262
EXP: 265153
For next: 14785

Since: 17.2.04
From: Eugene, Oregon

Since last post: 3115 days
Last activity: 2417 days
AIM:  
#4 Posted on 4.1.06 1229.51
Reposted on: 4.1.13 1231.26


Why should we be introspective, when we can assign the blame? After all introspection could lead to us realizing our part in whats happened, and that a popular media story doesn't make. Beyond that, just because all mines cut corners and have safety violations doesn't make it hunky-dory. Even under the most ideal cirstances you could have in regards to safety with mining there would still be deaths and accidents every year.

I'm pretty damn happy for the hydroelectric dams now.
ges7184
Lap cheong
Level: 76

Posts: 1199/1494
EXP: 3950357
For next: 55722

Since: 7.1.02
From: Birmingham, AL

Since last post: 52 days
Last activity: 4 hours
#5 Posted on 4.1.06 1333.48
Reposted on: 4.1.13 1333.54
I think it would be prudent to wait for more actual facts before we go around accusing anyone of murder. We don't really know the exact circumstances that caused this accident. And we don't know if the previous violations are even related or not. And we don't know what corrective action the company took, and what role the government took to ensure corrective action did indeed take place. There simply just not enough facts yet, so I'm not sure any of us can intelligently comment on this situation (I don't consider an off-hand comment from an "expert" about "wondering if they were cutting corners" as much of a fact. It's that kind of speculative reporting that helped contribute to the media debacle last night.)
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Supreme Court Upholds Oregon Assisted Suicide Law
Next thread: Pay $15K for a $20 bill
Previous thread: Teen skips school, goes to Iraq
(192 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
The 7 - Current Events & Politics - Tragedy in West Virginia, Miners Found DeadRegister and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.154 seconds.