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#1 Posted on 2.1.06 1534.51
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The music industrry's war on the Internet continues - now with more stupid. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm



    The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics.

    The US Music Publishers' Association (MPA), which represents sheet music companies, will launch its first campaign against such sites in 2006.

    MPA president Lauren Keiser said he wanted site owners to be jailed.

    He said unlicensed guitar tabs and song scores were widely available on the internet but were "completely illegal".

    Mr Keiser said he did not just want to shut websites and impose fines, saying if authorities can "throw in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective".

    Bitter battles

    The move comes after several years of bitter legal battles against unauthorised services allowing users to download recordings for free.

    Publishing companies have taken action against websites in the past, but this will be the first co-ordinated legal campaign by the MPA.

    The MPA would target "very big sites that people would think are legitimate and very, very popular", Mr Keiser said.

    "The Xerox machine was the big usurper of our potential income," he said. "But now the internet is taking more of a bite out of sheet music and printed music sales so we're taking a more proactive stance."



How many more years do we have to wait before these idiots give up and admit that the Internet has changed their business models?
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#2 Posted on 2.1.06 2230.18
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I could maybe understand why they think they have a case regarding the unlicensed redistribution of tabs and sheet music-- but lyrics? They're saying it's illegal for someone to listen to the song, hear the words to the song and type them into a website for reference purposes? It's not as if simply having possession of the lyrics without having heard the song would give someone the ability to reproduce the song.

Yet another one of the music industry's "fuck you"s to the fans.
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#3 Posted on 2.1.06 2251.18
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    I could maybe understand why they think they have a case regarding the unlicensed redistribution of tabs and sheet music-- but lyrics? They're saying it's illegal for someone to listen to the song, hear the words to the song and type them into a website for reference purposes? It's not as if simply having possession of the lyrics without having heard the song would give someone the ability to reproduce the song.

    Yet another one of the music industry's "fuck you"s to the fans.


How would that be different that reading a book and copying it online for everyone to see? Lyrics themselves are copyrighted aren't they? If so, it is reproducing someone else's copyrighted works without permission.

That's not to say I disagree with your main point, and it does continue to lower my opinion of the music industry. This guy doesn't even want to sue people - he wants them jailed! How ridiculous is that. It's not like artists (or more importantly "the industry") stand to make money off of these lyrics - there's really not much of a market for people willing to buy song lyrics. Just another thing that will make these people look like greedy clowns...
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#4 Posted on 3.1.06 0000.50
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    there's really not much of a market for people willing to buy song lyrics.


Perhaps not now because the lyrics are freely available. But I'm sure that the labels would love to conceive of a service where you can access some huge database of song lyrics and you'd have to pay per song lookup or something.


    How would that be different that reading a book and copying it online for everyone to see?


What is the argument that libraries use with respect to their ability to infringe on copyright? I can go to a library and read a book at no expense to myself beyond travel cost. For that matter I can go to a library and try to look up my song lyrics there. Couldn't the argument be made that the internet is a sort of public library?
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#5 Posted on 3.1.06 0011.46
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Personally, I think the comment about Xerox machines is pretty revealing. These aren't forward thinking people in these groups - they are completely behind the times.



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#6 Posted on 3.1.06 0019.20
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    What is the argument that libraries use with respect to their ability to infringe on copyright? I can go to a library and read a book at no expense to myself beyond travel cost. For that matter I can go to a library and try to look up my song lyrics there. Couldn't the argument be made that the internet is a sort of public library?


I'm not an expert on copyright law (duh), and I'm loathe to argue from the record company's POV, but I suppose the argument is that the books at the library were purchased and thus they have the right to lend their property to people as they see fit. On the other hand, libraries don't have the right to take books they bought and copy and distribute them to anyone they wish because only the copyright holder has the right to reproduce those works. And that's essentially what happens with the lyrics online - they get reproduced by people who have no right to do so. It's the difference between me showing you the insert in a CD I bought from Best Buy so you can see the lyrics and me Xeroxing it off so everyone I know can have a copy. Or something like that.
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#7 Posted on 3.1.06 0126.26
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    It's the difference between me showing you the insert in a CD I bought from Best Buy so you can see the lyrics and me Xeroxing it off so everyone I know can have a copy. Or something like that.


But when I go online to get song lyrics or go to a library to read a book, I'm not looking to obtain a copy of the lyrics or the book. I'm just looking for temporary usage of a copy. With the lyrics sites, I'm at the site for maybe a minute if I'm slow to find out what the lyrics are, and then I'm done. If I retain a copy, its only because my computer cached it, but that's unintentional. With respect to the library book scenario, I'm only borrowing the book for as long as it takes me to read it. Once I'm done, I have no interest in owning the book (and if I did, then I'd go out and buy it). From the end user perspective, how is it any different if I borrow a book from the library for two weeks and return it, or download a pdf file of the book and delete it at the end of two weeks? How are either of those scenarios different from the perspective of the publisher?
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