#21 Posted on 1.1.06 1937.47 Reposted on: 1.1.13 1938.17
Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
Originally posted by Kane Is UglyWell, the idea of the standing vertical suplex is that you are upside down for a long period of time of the blood rushes to your head. When you hit the mat, you'd be all out of it I guess, so a pin attempt might be easier than after a regular suplex. Its really more of a power move for the guy doing it really. It just shows that the guy suplexing you is strong and can hold you up for a while.
Yeah -- but I meant, what makes the victim decide to hold himself straight up and not bend his legs? It's a position that's both unnatural and disadvantageous.
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I think the "conventional wisdom" is supposed to be, "Hey! If I start wiggling around too much, he might drop me on my head and break my neck! I better know how to 'Take the fall' so I can continue fighting."
At least that's how I've always suspended my disbelief.
#22 Posted on 1.1.06 2143.49 Reposted on: 1.1.13 2143.57
Back in the day (before they were allowed to talk about how it's "fake"), that's how Hogan and others used to justify why wrestler's 'went along' with moves rather than fight to get out of them halfway through. It's better to take the little bit of pain from a suplex than it is to screw it up and fall on your head. If you heard that growing up, it made a lot of this make more sense. The irish whip one was explained by them saying that once you start running, you don't stop because you might get a chance to catch him off guard with a big running move of your own in the chance came up (like how a back drop being countered with a sunset flip or something).
As far as "suspension of disbelief", I'm all for it, but the wrestlers have to hold up their end of the deal as well. You can't go out there and do whatever you want and say to yourself "hey, they're wrestling fans, they have to buy anything".
The reason that this isn't like the Stratusphere or Huricanrana is because when you see a move like that you can understand the physics that are being used in your head. Even if the numbers you would need to plug into that equation never exist, the motion of them makes sense so you can go along with it. With this move, I can't believe that this guy is supposedly strong enough to dead lift and flip a 220-250 pound man backwards using only one arm (while in the Iron Cross position no less!) while flipping over backwards himself. I hate to bring up the Chewbacca Defense, but That Does Not Make Sense. My first reaction was "Wouldn't his arm just rip off?" The main problem with this move is that you can clearly see that the person taking the move is putting out a LOT more energy to have the move done to him than the guy doing it. It's flashy, but yeah, too fake for any suspension of disbelief to continue. It immediately unsuspends my disbelief.
ps. I also don't think we'll ever see Benoit take a move like this. I don't think the guy can even do a leap frog anymore, so this is probably right out.
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#23 Posted on 3.1.06 1013.54 Reposted on: 3.1.13 1014.20
the best finishers are moves you can hit on anyone, regardless of their size or their history of injury. I mean, good move, but with half the main eventers with surgically repaired neck, how many guys will want to take that.
That's why the best moves are finishers like the Stunner, The Pedigree, The Styles Clash, the Batista bomb. They look impressive and they're safe to take.
God bless Petey Williams and Burchill and the like but as flashy as the moves are, no established main eventer is gonna risk themselves taking it.
That's one of my biggest pet peeves in wrestling, guys with finishers that are amazing and flashy and head droppy but prevent them from ever moving up the card.
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