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Tonight, the six people competing in the Elimination Chamber—John Cena, Carlito, Chris Masters, Kane, Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels—will be involved in Beat the Clock matches, same as last year, to determine who will enter the Elimination Chamber last. I wonder if any of these guys is gonna lose their match this time, hee.

Also, for some reason Big Show and Triple H will have a contract signing for their match at New Year’s Revolution, which means someone’s gonna get their ass whipped. Ric Flair will appear on The Cutting Edge at long last, or so it says—we’ll see if he actually does it this time. And Kurt Angle will commit further character assassination because he has something he wants to announce to the world.

We start out with Vinnie Mac’s smiling mug. Tonight the interview process of deciding a RAW General Manager will continue; the six men in the Elimination Chamber will compete in Beat the Clock matches, and, oh, yes—Vinnie Mac will spend RAW watching Bret Hart’s new DVD. I want that job. At the end of the night he’ll go to the ring and give it his full review, and no doubt we’ll tease that Bret will come down to the ring, but that isn’t happening.

Forget the lies, the money…

And our opening match will involve Shawn Michaels, which allegedly puts him at a disadvantage, since he has no idea what time he needs to beat. Michaels’ opponent will be Snitsky, and he’s clearly not pleased with that.

As soon as Snitsky hits the ring, Michaels jumps him and starts chopping him. Whip into the ropes reversed, HBK goes for a sunset flip, ain’t happening. Inside cradle denied, HBK hits chops, cross-body gets two, and Snitsky drills him with a clothesline. Snitsky lifts HBK up and pounds him into the corner, and then whips HBK into another one. Sidewalk slam gets two. Snitsky lifts HBK and throws him out of the ring, then he follows him and slams the small of HBK’s back into the apron. He rolls HBK back in the ring and gets two.

Michaels gets to his feet, but he shoulda stayed down—Snitsky slams him, and hits one, two elbow drops… cover gets two, and Snitsky’s getting pissed off at the referee. Michaels drags himself up and punches Snitsky in the midsection, but Snitsky throws him into the corner and continues pounding him, while some jerk with a laser pointer points it into Snitsky’s face. Snitsky applies a bearhug, and after about ten seconds HBK manages to break out of it. He hits chops, and now the moves of doom—flying burrito, inverted atomic drop, first clothesline doesn’t knock Snitsky down, but the second one does—but before Michaels can capitalize, Snitsky clotheslines the hell out of him. They exchange punches on the top turnbuckle, Michaels knocks Snitsky down and hits the Macho Man Elbow. Michaels tunes up the band, but instead of Sweet Chin Music, Snitsky drills him with the Big Boot. And while choking him in the corner, Snitsky has the advantage—until he hits the Sweet Chin Music completely out of nowhere and gets the three-count.

Michaels gets the win in 5:56, and Lawler tries to convince me that that’s gonna be a hard time to beat. It won’t be—obviously he wasn’t watching last year.

The Cutting Edge, with special guest star Ric Flair, will be next when we get back from commercial.

Coming back, Edge and Lita are already in the ring.

Edge: Ladies and gentlemen, between his recent embarrassing road rage incident and his nasty divorce, my next guest’s life is in a shambles. And up until tonight he’s not been allowed to speak, but tonight on The Cutting Edge, he breaks his silence.

And he does so, of course, with a Conan O’Brien “live via satellite” type interview—Flair’s face on the Titantron, with some guy’s lips.

“RF”: Double A, how’s it going? Where’s Tully?

And this thing’s pretty funny… wish I was fast enough to type all this.

Edge says the Horsemen are dead, and after “Flair” impersonates Stone Cold and, hee, Macho Man Randy Savage, Edge says that Flair’s not original. He stole his Nature Boy moniker from Buddy Rogers, his chops from Wahoo McDaniel, and his “WOO” from Jerry Lee Lewis. “Flair” says that if you give him anything, he’ll rip it off, from Ashton Kutcher to Abdullah the Butcher, baby.

Lita, changing the subject, asks “Flair” why he beat up the guy in the road rage incident. He said that the guy cut him off on the way to the early bird special, and when he got out of the car he had the audacity to say the truth—that Edge was better than Flair. So “Flair” pretended that the guy was Edge, and beat the crap out of him—and then he got arrested. Sad face.

Edge says that he’s better than Flair, and “Flair” protests, “But I’m the sixteen-time World Champion—” That sets Edge off, of course. “SHUT UP!” “Sorry, sir,” the actor behind the thing says. “When I cash in my Money in the Bank shot, my first World Championship will last longer than all of your sixteen,” Edge insists. He finally gets “Flair” to admit that Edge is, by far, his superior.

And finally, the real Flair’s music hits, and he comes down, already having taken off his Armani jacket.

Edge: Hey hey hey, so what’d you come down here for? Did you come down to finally admit that I’m the better man than you? C’mon Ric, admit it!

Ric replies only by punching Edge in the mouth, mounting him and beating the crap out of him. Lita immediately jumps on Flair’s back, but he throws her off, and both Edge and Lita take off. Now play Ric’s music.

When we come back from commercial, we’ve got Chris Masters’ entrance—and finally Joey Styles says screw this, I’ll talk over his entrance if I damn well want to. THANK YOU, JOEY. Did I mention, by the way, that the ever-annoying Coach is back on commentary?

The time to beat is 5:56—and apparently Chavo Guerrero’s gonna graciously do the job for the great Chris Masters tonight. The “Eddie” chants start immediately.

Chavo ducks and weaves, and punches Masters in the face—and Masters is pissed. Clothesline misses, roll-up gets two, clothesline ducked by Chavo, who ducks out of the ring. Masters reaches down for him, gets punched, Chavo gets in and gets a two-count. Masters gains a brief advantage by kneeing Chavo in the gut, but Chavo hits a standing dropkick to throw Masters out of the ring. Chavo suicide dives onto Masters, but he gets caught and slammed into the ring apron in a pretty painful-looking manner, actually.

When they get back in the ring, Masters the Great continues the advantage, and tries to apply the Master Lock—but Chavo blocks it. Masters hits a pretty good fall-away slam, and continues his assault, with various back-related moves, but he can’t put Chavo down. Masters, as awesome as he is, is spending too much time looking at the clock and letting it get inside his head. Chavo blocks a second and a third Master Lock attempt, and starts punching Masters against the ropes… fireman’s carry reversed into a roll-up that gets two for Chavo. Less than a minute remaining. Standing dropkick by Chavo, Masters knees him, whips into the ropes, Chavo’s Tornado DDT denied as Masters gets him onto the ring apron, and immediately Masters successfully applies the Master Lock while Chavo’s still on the ring apron. He lifts him up into the ring, and starts cinching in the hold, but Chavo, looking at the clock, wills himself to hold on—and time expires. But unlike last year—when the Elimination Chamber participant would still have to win the match in order to keep his spot—time expiring apparently means the match is over.

Masters gets on the mike and complains that the clock isn’t accurate, and that someone back there is trying to hold him back, but it’s not going to work, because his New Year’s resolution is to win the WWE Championship—and become the youngest WWE Champion in history—at New Year’s Revolution. Which he almost manages to say properly. Chavo returns to the ring, Masters is all “Oh, really?” and he runs after Chavo—but gets body-dropped out of the ring and then dropkicked as he tries to get back up. Now play Chavo’s music!

When we come back, Kurt Angle will further destroy himself.

Last week, Angle saw the Tribute to the Troops, and it brought a tear to his eye—and it made him feel really proud… that he didn’t go on it. The troops don’t deserve medals for what they do, they actually volunteered for this thing like idiots, etc., etc. I wonder what really would have happened if Kurt Angle had refused to do this. “Go ahead and fire me, I’ll just go to Japan and make just as much money.” Maybe that’s just me talking.

But anyway—THAT was Angle’s big announcement, and the main selling point of the RAW commercials for the last week? He said pretty much the same thing, just not as intense, two weeks ago.

Backstage, Vince is interviewing, um, Torrie Wilson’s dog for the general manager job—though Torrie makes it clear that, in fact, *she* wants the job. Todd Grisham comes in, and Vince mentions that he and Torrie are reviewing Bret Hart’s DVD, and didn’t Todd interview Bret on Byte This two weeks ago? “So, what do you think?” “What do you mean?” “Do you think I can take him?” “You mean, do I think you can beat him up?” “Yeah, do you think I can beat him up? Give me your honest, objective opinion.” Todd thinks for about two seconds before sucking up to the boss—smart man, that’s a man who’s going places, says Vince. Now Vince will go back to playing with puppies.

By the way, at some point during this segment, Vince announces that Ric Flair will defend the Intercontinental Championship against Edge at New Year’s Revolution.

In the locker room, Mickie has decorated both her locker and Trish’s locker for Christmas—and she points out that Trish is standing under the mistletoe. OMG HOT LESBIAN ACTION~! Trish is, understandably, upset. I wouldn’t be, but then I’m not a girl, so.

When we come back, Kurt Angle is heading to the ring. “Kurt Angle doesn’t deserve to wear red, white and blue, and I’m not even gonna dignify his disgusting comments,” Joey Styles says. Hee, his opponent is the allegedly randomly-picked Daivari. Daivari immediately falls down to the canvas and Angle counts. But the referee seems to be having problems counting to three, and Angle starts running after the referee, even chasing him into the crowd. The referee returns to the ring by another route, and immediately starts the fastest count-out in the world. Just as Angle’s sliding into the ring, the referee is counting ten, and, HA! Daivari wins by count-out! The referee immediately slides out of the ring and walks to the back. Daivari’s trying very hard to hide his “Oh, my God, I won!” face, disguising it instead as moral outrage on Angle’s behalf. Hee! I wonder if this is a prelude to the Daivari face turn that I would love to see.

So, wow-- *that* was unexpected, but it was funny!

Big Show is WALKING! And apparently the contract signing is next.

When we come back, Let Us Take You Back to Two Weeks Ago, when Big Show helped Kane advance to the Elimination Chamber at Triple H’s expense. And the table’s set up in the ring for the contract signing, so Coach calls out Triple H first.

And I’m gonna try very hard not to refer to this accidentally as a “contract singing”, which is what my fingers have the natural tendency to want to do.

“And his opponent, the largest athlete in the world, The Big Show!” And here he comes, World Tag Team Title belt in hand.

Big Show thinks about sitting down, realizes he’d probably break the damn thing, and tosses his chair over the top rope instead. Coach first asks them if either man has any questions—nope. Good touch, though. Big Show signs the contract, but Trips—

“You know I’ve been out here for the last couple of months listening to you tell me I’m a piece of crap, and telling me I’ve got it coming.” He has no beef with Show, but Show took it upon himself to screw him out of the WWE Championship shot, and now he’s got a problem. Show’s first match was a main event, but Trips had to scratch and claw his way to the top. Show’s a circus sideshow freak, an over-inflated basketball player, and at New Year’s Revolution—

“Whoa, whoa, whoa.” Show interrupts. “Just who the hell do you think you’re talking to?” There’s no D-X, there’s no Evolution, and Triple H has no backup—no one to bail him out of the mess he’s made this time. So sign the contract, and Trips will get his at NYR—but if he keeps running his mouth, Big Show will have no problem giving it to him right here, right now.

“You say I’ve got no backup? I don’t need any backup for someone like you, fat boy.” And Trips immediately pokes Show in the eye with the pen, turning the table around to reveal that he’s got a sledgehammer underneath there. He tries to hit Show with it, but Show grabs him. But when Show charges, Trips lowers the top rope to knock Show to the floor—and quickly smashes Show’s right hand between the sledgehammer and the steel stair. Coach is right there with the contract, and Triple H signs it as Big Show writhes on the floor in pain. Didn’t Kevin Nash try this same thing seven years ago?

When we come back, we show a replay of the previous paragraph, only minus the Nash reference. John Cena will be next to try and beat the clock—current time is still 5:56, as both Chris Masters and Kurt Angle failed to beat Shawn Michaels’ original time.

But first we have a montage sequence with, well, I think that was Lillian Garcia, but I wasn’t paying attention.

John Cena comes down for his Beat the Clock match, and he’s got 5:56 to beat… Shelton Benjamin? Interesting. Too bad we know who’s going to win this match, because Shelton’s “horrendous losing streak” is immediately brought up by Joey Styles.

Bell rings, and they lock up, Cena applies a headlock and is whipped into the ropes, but Cena hits a shoulder block for two. F-U denied, arm-lock broken out of by Shelton with a Matrix-like rope move, Cena again goes for the F-U but no. Cena hits two clotheslines, covering each time and getting one the first time, two the second. Vertical suplex countered as only Shelton can, and he gets two. Cena with a scoop-slam, two, and we’ve got 3:54 remaining. High cross-body by Shelton gets two, innovative backbreaker gets two, another cover for two by Shelton. Shelton’s whip into the corner blocked, Cena whips Shelton into the corner, side-slam gets two. Spinebuster hit out of nowhere by Shelton, and he gets two. The crowd is pretty evenly divided between dueling “Let’s go Cena, let’s go Shelton” chants. Cena goes for the F-U AGAIN, and again it’s blocked, and Cena can’t believe it—Shelton hits him with a Samoan Drop. Shelton with a clothesline off the top for two, and Shelton applies a sleeper hold. Cena gets up, but Shelton changes the angle and gets him down again. Cena finally breaks out with a twisting sit-out powerbomb. I can’t help but point out that the “Let’s go Cena” chants are higher-pitched than Shelton’s. Cena hits the moves of doom, and he gets Shelton into the corner—he tries for the F-U, but Shelton holds onto the top rope very tightly, and Cena can’t hit the F-U at this time. The bell rings, indicating that Cena’s time to beat the clock is over…

But showing WWE’s complete lack of logical continuity, unlike the Chavo/Masters match, this match is *not* over. Shelton played spoiler, but he’s still got a match to lose. Cena walks out of the ring, lifts Shelton to his feet, and Shelton tries to kick him. Cena grabs his foot, and Shelton does his signature enzuigiri—but ends up getting a foot full of steel ring post instead. Joey Styles wastes no time in saying “This is uncharacteristic of Shelton Benjamin to try and injure the WWE Champion like this.” Uh, idiot, it was in self-defense.

Anyway, back in the ring, Cena hits the F-U, applies the STFU, and Shelton meekly taps out. Angle and Daivari promptly hit the ring, Daivari goes flying, and Angle gains an advantage on Cena before they’re separated by the referees.

OK, you know *that* is going on the “What?” list.

Shelton Benjamin is on his cell phone talking to CRZ, and Shelton says he lost to Cena and of course it’s not his fault, and—“wait, you’re coming here? Next week? Nononono, I’ll be glad to see you. I love you too. Goodbye.” Awww, I didn’t know Shelton and CRZ had that kind of relationship, but I think it’s sweet.

But of course, you know this is the long-anticipated debut of Shelton Benjamin’s mother.

Matt Striker wants to be RAW General Manager, and if he were GM, he’d have both “Jonathan” and “Kurtis” write a 500-word essay on rules and regulations as a result of what just happened. That makes Vince sick, and reminds him of why he hates teachers. Just once he wishes a teacher would tell him to go ahead and fight it out like a man… Vince loves violence, it’s the outlet for his aggression. So next week, John Cena and Kurt Angle will battle—in a First Blood match. Oooh.

Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the place, Carlito remembers the times he spit in everyone’s face. From Ric Flair to [someone] to Mick Foley, Carlito embarrassed them all, and did so with glee.

And dammit, I would have loved to be able to type fast enough to transcribe all of that. Let’s just say *I* thought it was funny, anyway. Even The Great Masters would have been hard-pressed to come up with a better rhyme than that.

Coming back from commercial, it’s Carlito’s turn to beat the clock. Carlito’s got some beads and a Santa hat on over his afro, and somehow the hat stays on his head until he takes it off. His opponent will be Victoria (with the other two members of her team), who plays “intimidated” while Carlito plays “cocky”. OK—I wouldn’t screw around with her.

Carlito takes his sweet time taking his gear off, and they finally lock up with 5:13 remaining, as he backs Victoria into the corner. Carlito wants a kiss, but that ain’t happening. Hammerlock applied by Carlito, and he takes the opportunity to smack Victoria’s ass, which she doesn’t appreciate. As he throws her around some more, Torrie’s puppy runs into the ring, running dutifully from Candice to Torrie. While Carlito angrily confronts Torrie, Victoria low-blows Carlito, gets the wand tossed to her by Candice, and again hits Carlito in the nuts—this time with the wand. Victoria gets a one-count, and when Carlito kicks out he is pissed. He grabs Victoria, hits a spinning Scorpion Deathdrop variation, and gets three—then he proceeds to spill his load—I mean, spit his apple—in Victoria’s face.

Carlito beat Victoria in 2:36, which is by far the new time to beat. Kane will be the final Beat the Clock competitor of the night, and that match will be next.

Coming back from commercial, we have multiple recap sequences, because we need to fill up some time. But we’ve still got Kane competing, so it’ll obviously be a short match.

Kane’s match is against both of the Heart Throbs. No problem. He throws them around with no problem, and in 26 seconds (Coach—“28 seconds”), the double-chokeslam gets three. Yup, it was a short match. Kane beats the clock, and he will be the last man to enter the Elimination Chamber.

Coming back, we see the Montreal Screwjob, which Vince relives happily, even re-enacting himself calling for the bell. “Oh, yeah—the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be? We’ll see about that.”

Back from commercial, “No Chance in Hell” brings out Vince McMahon, who tosses the Bret Hart DVD to the crowd, where an eager fan grabs it.

“I stand by how I behaved, and I stand by my actions. I suppose there’s always going to be people whoa re gonna look at it from other sides, and whoever’s side you’re on, no one’s gonna know the full story behind it […] I understand Vince wouldn’t change what he did, he did what he felt he had to do. […] My position is that history speaks for itself.”

“Oh, history speaks for itself, does it? I’m telling you what I’m gonna do. I think I’m in the right, Bret Hart thinks he’s in the right, so—we’re live in Bridgeport, Connecticut, so… how many people think that Vince was right? [Boo!] How many people think that Bret Hart was—wrong? [Boo!]” Well, that didn’t work. But Vince thinks it did.

As long as Vince gets what he wants, and does the right thing for the business, that’s what he’s gonna do.

And now, here comes Shawn Michaels, no doubt to agree with Vince. Jeez, they’re really building up to a Bret appearance that’s not gonna happen, right?

“Tell ‘em what happened.” “The last thing I’m gonna do is defend Bret Hart. No one would buy it, and it’d be hypocritical of me. Everyone asks me if the circumstances were the same, would you do it again?” Shawn would. That’s because Shawn’s loyalty has always been to WWE. He’d do it again, like he did it before, because he thought it was the right thing to do for WWE. But it’s one thing for Bret to relive Montreal—it’s another thing for Vince to continue to live in that day. “Vince, it is time to let it go.” Huh. “Because that was eight long years ago. A lot has changed, but I’m a 40-year old man, you’re a 60-year-old man, I’m a father, you’re a grandfather, you’re the chairman of the board of a multi-million dollar corporation. Don’t you think it’s time for you and I to grow up a little bit? Maybe it’s time for you and I to move on.” “Let me make sure I understand what you’re saying, this move on stuff. Shawn, let me remind you of how the business moves on, I mean you go all the way back, Buddy Rogers’ name was listed tonight, he was the first WWWF Champion.” He brings up seven or eight names, all of whom moved on, but one name remained constant—McMahon. “I wanna make sure you understand, are you suggesting that I should make you move on like those other guys? I wouldn’t want to have to do that, because I could do that with a snap of my fingers.” Vince spends some time threatening to fire Shawn, and mentioning Shawn’s responsibilities.

“Quite frankly, I don’t think you’re any different than any of these other people. There is no place to go on to now, there is no more WCW. You’re no different from any of these other people, you all work for The Man. You have responsibilities Shawn, and you know what? I appreciate you speaking your mind, but quite frankly I think you’re eating a little humble pie, you’re swallowing your pride.”

He wants to know what it’s like for Shawn to swallow his pride like everyone else does. “Doesn’t taste too good, does it Shawn? But you’re just like every single one of these people. You will do, Bret, exactly what I tell you to do.” You called him Bret, dude. Vince’s New Year’s resolution is not to take any crap from anybody ever again. “I screwed Bret Hart. Shawn, don’t make me screw you.”

Shawn gives him the evil eyes as Vince drops the mike and turns to leave—but apparently Vince is taking exception to that look. And now Shawn’s taking off his jacket… so Vince hurriedly leaves the ring before Shawn can do anything. Play Vince’s music as Shawn stares at him all the way back to the entrance. We’re reminded that Angle and Cena will battle in a First Blood match next week. And, um, that’s your show. Strange ending.

DASCOOL: The Cena/Shelton match was pretty good, post-buzzer shenanigans notwithstanding. I’ll give His Royal Highness Christopher Masters I some credit, he hit a pretty decent fall-away slam today. I liked the funny stuff that went on during the Angle/Daivari “match”, and Daivari’s barely-disguised glee at his “victory”. The Ric Flair Conan O’Brien interview was funny, I liked the Carlito “Night Before Christmas” poem, and the segment with Vince and Shawn, though you *knew* it wasn’t going to end with Bret making an appearance, was a good segment.

YOU SUCK!: WWE continues to try their damndest to make sure no one will ever be able to root for Kurt Angle ever again, so I hope they don’t plan on trying to turn him face for the rest of his career. How about doing something to make Cena easier to cheer for, rather than doing something to make it harder to cheer for Angle?

WHAT?!: OK, so why did the Chavo/Masters match end right after the Beat the Clock buzzer sounded, but the Shelton/Cena match didn’t? Chavo needs to be protected from a loss, but it’s OK to job the black guy?

Also, on a non-RAW-related note, it’s OK to have a commercial that warns that “this movie contains brutal scenes of violence and torture—you’ve been warned”, but heaven forbid that we ever see sexual penetration, because that would make it unacceptable to the American public? And, yeah—that’s exactly the case, too. I work at Blockbuster, so I know precisely how it works. I say to a parent, “This movie’s got a lot of violence in it,” and when I tell them it doesn’t have sex, they’re all, “It’s okay then, I’ll get for my ten-year-old.” Americans are strange people.
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#2 Posted on 26.12.05 2215.47
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Anybody else feel really bad for Victoria tonight?
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#3 Posted on 26.12.05 2222.10
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    Originally posted by Juggalo101
    Anybody else feel really bad for Victoria tonight?

Yeah, what was up with that? It seemed so out of character for her to be scared like that. Why couldn't they have tabbed Ashley for it instead? It would have had the same effect...

Other than that and the throwaway Kane squash, the booking for the Beat the Clock matches was really strong tonight. Chavo gets to hold his own against Masters, they finally write a creative ending for a fixed pinfall situation, and things get even more interesting for both Cena & Benjamin (and yes, I'm willing to give the Mamma angle a chance).

I have one comment as far as Trish/Mickie goes: If Trish is not the one turning heel out of this, they're insane.

I know it's a pipe dream, but I know I'd pay the money to see a Bret Hart v. Shawn Michaels rematch, with Michaels playing a reluctant Vince (who continues to bounce between heel and face like a yo-yo) lackey.

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#4 Posted on 26.12.05 2229.45
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If I had faith that Bret Hart would ever, ever again be in ring form, I'd agree with you, Texas.
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#5 Posted on 26.12.05 2230.21
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So, if there's no GM, who was making the matches? I was especially wondering, because there's gotta be some storyline behind Carlito getting to fight a woman, Angle fighting his buddy and Kane getting to fight two people....The opening contest was alright. HBK was able to carry Snitsky to a watchable match....

The Flair/Edge segment is exactly why I watch the original, cutting edge programming that is WWE: to see them do something Conan has done for YEARS....Masters/Chavo was good, despite the questionable ending. It's a shame it took Eddy's death for Chavo to get a push....The Angle announcement (if you can call it that) was a major disappointment....

Angle/Daivari was fun, though I don't get why Chioda didn't make the count....The Trips/BS contract signing was as good as contract signings can be....Cena v.s Benjamin was a good, high-energy match. And boy you could tell which genders were cheering for which when they had the dueling Benjamin/Cena chants....Carlito/Victoria was fun for what it was....The main event segment was your usual Vince ego stroke/message to the fans and backstage personnel. In other words, a big joke.
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#6 Posted on 26.12.05 2249.17
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As the split Shelton/Cena cheers attest, they are DESPERATE to make Angle the heavy heel. His anti-troops angle is as blatant a ploy to garner boos as possible, but it they were really smart, the WWE would book him to wrestle like Carlito (cheat and use low-key offense). He's simply too good at what he does to be as hated as they like. The WWE has made too much coin with those who hover in the "gray morals" zone for Angle to be universally hated. While I'm happy to see him get so much attention, the company would have better luck pushing a bad muscleman if they want to draw consensus hatred. So step forward, Mr. Masters, you're gonna be the Next Big Thing.

Speaking of big musclemen, has anyone avoided the Sweet Chin Music with a boot of their own? I can't remember, even as Im sure Diesel probably got to do it.

It was an "eh" show. It was such an "eh" show, I thought the PPV was THIS Sunday.
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#7 Posted on 26.12.05 2301.56
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    I have one comment as far as Trish/Mickie goes: If Trish is not the one turning heel out of this, they're insane.

On the contrary, Mickie is the logical choice to go heel. Trish keeps rejecting her, and acting all weird around her, so naturally Mickie's stalker act kicks into overdrive, making her crazy. While Trish makes a great heel, turning her heel in this storyline wouldn't make sense.

Anyway, Raw was pretty bad tonight. Cena/Benjamin & Masters/Chavo were OK, but the rest of the matches weren't very good or logical, and the Edge/Flair and Vince/Flair segments were just plain boring.

And I'm not looking forward to the "Shelton's mama" storyline at all. All it's going to do is kill off whatever heat he has left. There's better ways to turn him heel than what they've been doing, with the added benefit of eventually getting him over big as a face.

Raw going forward into 2006 isn't looking very promising. Guys are being pushed hard who aren't ready, there's no midcard, the IC belt is being wasted, the tag belts are on Kane/Show for no discernible reason, and they totally missed the boat on pushing Edge, whose heat has since cooled down (why does he care about Flair when he has his MITB title shot?). Where are guys like Conway, Helms, Chavo, who should be carrying the midcard? They should be getting steady TV time, not being stuck on Internet Heat. Get them involved in the IC title scene, instead of wasting the belt on Flair or Edge. They've gotta do something with this show, because it's long past the point of being stale.

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 27.12.05 0011)
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#8 Posted on 26.12.05 2328.23
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Someone should remind Edge that the one year time limit on his money in the bank contract is winding down. Might have been the first time I've heard the name Ole used on RAW though.
Shelton jobs on Kwanzaa. And, when the guy holding the top belt for a year as a face keeps getting 50/50 or at best 60/40 reactions, that might be a sign that it's time to get the belt off of him.
Chavo is over. Masters is not. One is in the main event of the next PPV. One has been stuck on Heat. It might not be the politcally correct thing to say, but, if you are ever going to push Chavo, this is probably the time. And, it seemed like Masters screwed up the name of the upcoming PPV and had trouble remembering the initials of the company he worked for.
Taking out the chokeslam hand. Didn't that happen in WCW to the Giant about 9 years ago?
Vince sure seems to forget Backlund when he runs off the names of former champions. And, this probably isn't the reaction they want, but Michaels is 10000% right in saying it is time for Vince to get over Montreal. Did he keep bringing up screwing Backlund in '83 in the build-up to Andre vs. Hogan in '87 or Warrior vs. Hogan in '90?
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#9 Posted on 26.12.05 2336.31
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Angle/Daivari was fun, though I don't get why Chioda didn't make the count....


Because "it wasn't competitive." I actually think there's a latent mini-storyline there, but I can't remember. I think Chioda's been the ref who got thown out of a bunch of Daivari/Angle matches. But I doubt WWE was thinking that.
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#10 Posted on 26.12.05 2340.46
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    WHAT?!: OK, so why did the Chavo/Masters match end right after the Beat the Clock buzzer sounded, but the Shelton/Cena match didn’t? Chavo needs to be protected from a loss, but it’s OK to job the black guy?


You're reading too much into this. If Eddie was still alive, Chavo: A) Wouldn't have been on RAW at all, and B) If he was, he would have jobbed within 26 seconds as the third member of the Heart Throbs or something.

The reason Chavo's being protected isn't because he's not black. He's being protected because Eddie died, and they *want* to push him for that because it's a feel good thing to do, but because of his size, if they were to actually try to push him Vince's head would explode.


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#11 Posted on 26.12.05 2352.18
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      WHAT?!: OK, so why did the Chavo/Masters match end right after the Beat the Clock buzzer sounded, but the Shelton/Cena match didn’t? Chavo needs to be protected from a loss, but it’s OK to job the black guy?


    You're reading too much into this. If Eddie was still alive, Chavo: A) Wouldn't have been on RAW at all, and B) If he was, he would have jobbed within 26 seconds as the third member of the Heart Throbs or something.

    The reason Chavo's being protected isn't because he's not black. He's being protected because Eddie died, and they *want* to push him for that because it's a feel good thing to do, but because of his size, if they were to actually try to push him Vince's head would explode.


    Tribal Prophet


It came across to me that they were trying to get across that Masters was going to simply walk out of the match, rather than it ending at the buzzer, because of his temper tantrum and ensuing embarrassment at the hands of Chavo...even if it was poorly executed. Non-finishes are annoying, I know, but I think that's what they were going for.

And Shelton's whole gimmick right now is the losing streak. But fear not, because BIG MOMMA'S on her way! *groans*

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#12 Posted on 27.12.05 0131.13
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Agreed with Deputy Marshall. Once Masters saw he had nothing to fight for, he forfeited his match. Thankfully the Sound Guy caught on, and played Chavo's music.

I'm one of the few Chris Masters fans on this board but I've got to say his mic work was horrendous. REVolution, Chris. New Year's REVolution. You'll get it right next time.
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#13 Posted on 27.12.05 0133.14
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-As bad as I know the Shelton's Mama gimmick is gonna be, part of me wants to see what they have in store...hey, anything that keeps him on Raw and not working Heat is a good thing right?? I was really pulling for him to come back in and help Angle, especially if they were wanting to push him as a heel.

-The Vince/Shawn thing was a big head scratcher completely out of left field for me. Is this gonna lead in to the next GM? Is Shawn going away for a while? So many questions, so little time for answers.

-Chavo is getting a lot of love from the crowd, but I would figure this is about the biggest push he's gonna get. Let us not forget, it wasn't long ago he was receiving his "big" push as Kerwin White. As good as he is, it won't last.

-So much for expanding on the search for the new Raw GM. Added to the list of candidates, Torrie's dog and Matt Striker. Maybe, just maybe, Striker would be better off lobbying for the GM duties on Heat.

One of the better RAWs in recent memory...but that's not necessarily saying much.
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#14 Posted on 27.12.05 0230.02
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    Originally posted by Redcumo
    Agreed with Deputy Marshall. Once Masters saw he had nothing to fight for, he forfeited his match. Thankfully the Sound Guy caught on, and played Chavo's music.

    I'm one of the few Chris Masters fans on this board but I've got to say his mic work was horrendous. REVolution, Chris. New Year's REVolution. You'll get it right next time.


WWE's listing their match as going to a 'no-contest', not a forfeit or countout or anything. So Chavo's music was played because he was the face and still in the ring. Either way though, Chavo WAS protected and Shelton wasn't, but I don't think that race had anything to do with it. Certainly not as much as Chavo's relationship to Eddie did.

As far as Chioda reffing the Angle/Daivari match. Isn't Chioda also the ref that was apparently part of the army during their trip to Afghanistan? Maybe next week he'll be the ref for Angle/Cena and we'll find out that not only does he have the history with Angle/Daivari, but maybe he doesn't appreciate the recent comments Angle's been making? Or am I giving them too much credit for keeping track of details like that for longer than one week?

You're not alone as far as being a fan of Masters. Tonight... was not a good night...

edit: Afghanistan, not Iraq.


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(edited by Tribal Prophet on 27.12.05 0049)
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#15 Posted on 27.12.05 0230.41
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I remember a time when Kurt Angle could be a heel without trying to rape somebody's wife or saying despicable things about our troops. I don't understand why WWE is so desperate trying to turn Kurt Angle into the next Muhammed Hassan. Remember what happened to Hassan?
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#16 Posted on 27.12.05 0400.53
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    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
      And Shelton's whole gimmick right now is the losing streak. But fear not, because BIG MOMMA'S on her way! *groans*

      (edited by Deputy Marshall on 27.12.05 0056)


    You know, I've actually been thinking about this for a couple days now, and this just reminded me. Martin Lawrence has started promoting the release of "Big Momma's House 2" recently... I have a _REALLY_ bad feeling about where Vince is going with this.
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#17 Posted on 27.12.05 0457.57
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    I remember a time when Kurt Angle could be a heel without trying to rape somebody's wife or saying despicable things about our troops. I don't understand why WWE is so desperate trying to turn Kurt Angle into the next Muhammed Hassan. Remember what happened to Hassan?


Yeah it's totally crazy. I don't think its so much they want to make Kurt a super heel, they just want Cena to be a super face. But that's not going to happen. Shelton was getting the most heat I've ever heard him get in quite a long time.

The basic problem is Cena. Put anyone against him and they're gonna get even a little bit of cheers. I'd even be tempted to cheer for Snitsky over him at this point. Despite his shoddy ring work I never had anything against Cena, but he's just f'ing boring now. And the fans (aside from young kids and females it seems) are voicing it.

Kurt can still be a heel. But they rather see Cena lose first. I don't think the WWE can do anything to change that. When's the last time we had a Kurt title run? I'd like to see it, he's proven he can wrestle and stay healthy.

HHH vs Cena will be pretty interesting crowd reaction wise.
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#18 Posted on 27.12.05 0528.29
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I know we all miss Eddie, but it really makes no sense to chant his name while Chavo is stuck in the dreaded Masterlock.
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#19 Posted on 27.12.05 0714.31
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I know we all miss Eddie, but it really makes no sense to chant his name while Chavo is stuck in the dreaded Masterlock.


I agree with you 100%. I don't think it's really Chavo thats over. The only chants you heard through during that match were for Eddie, not Chavo. I never was a big Chavo fan but I think the fans are using him as an Eddie replacement more than liking him for who he is. Im sure those days are numbered and Chavo will be back to Heat in a month or two.
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#20 Posted on 27.12.05 0823.16
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Did anyone get the vibe that we will be seeing HBK/VKM at WM this year from that last segment?
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