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#21 Posted on 27.12.05 1316.49
Reposted on: 27.12.12 1317.11
    Originally posted by jfkfc
    I know that the Yanks have pitching concerns. Johnson is a year older, Pavano had a horrible year before getting injured. Wang was hurt last year. Mussina was inconsistant again. Chacon and Small - can they duplicate? Randy is the key this year, just like last year. They need him pitching as he did in the second half of last season. If he, Mussina, and Pavano are healthy, why just assume they will suck? Are those "ifs" that mighty? Wang came back and pitched pretty well - the guy IS a #5 starter. Chacon came out of nowhere/Denver, but was consistantly solid.


I think the "ifs" really are that mighty. Johnson is now 42, and if part of the Yankees plan for this year hinges on him pitching as well or better than he did last year, that's a tough order. I wouldn't bet the farm on a 42 year old pitching like an ace. It could happen, but the odds are against it. Mussina has had an ERA above 4.00 three of the last four years and has missed significant time in the last two years. At this point, he's their number two, but his performance is more like a middle of the rotation starter. Pavano could conceivably get back to his 2003 form, but right now he's a 30 year old who has had exactly one good season in his career. Wang was a nice pitcher as a rookie anc could definately pitch well this year, but then again I wouldn't put too much faith in a 25 year old with a handful of career starts who doesn't strike anyone out to be an ace. Chacon could turn out to be a diamond in the rough, but if you want to win a World Series, that's another gamble good teams shouldn't be taking.


    Will Halladay, Schilling, and Colon all bounce back?


Colon won a Cy Young and Halladay would have won it if not for a fluke injury so I don't know why they need to bounce back. I'd say Schilling will be about as good as Johnson will be this year.



    I don't think the Yanks could have made a move on Millwood. Whose place does he take, and what do you do with whoever he replaces? Why would they put Millwood in Wang's or Chacon's place? How is he better than either at the money they'd have to pay him? If he takes Pavano's place, who'll take Pavano? Millwood replace Mussina or Johnson? Um, no.


Millwood won the AL ERA title last year. Anything within a half run of his 2005 performance will make him better than anyone that makes a start for the Yankees this year. Millwood probably was overpaid, but the Yankees have bottomless pockets so I have no idea why they didn't pursue a guy like Millwood.
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#22 Posted on 27.12.05 1448.41
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Colon won a Cy Young and Halladay would have won it if not for a fluke injury so I don't know why they need to bounce back.









The question in regards to Colon is the injury that knocked him out of Game 5 of the ALDS and kept him off the roster for the ALCS. With Byrd and Washburn gone, the Angels need Colon to not only be healthy but also be an 18-20 game winner.
It was a fluke injury to Halladay. However, does breaking the bone in his leg cause him to alter his mechanics?
The Yankees have question marks. However, they have the fewest question marks in the division. Now, if you want the great equalizer for the Yankees, it is will this be the year where Rivera is mortal? If he is, the Yankees are in a dog fight in the division. If Rivera is Rivera, they have the best team on paper in the division.

(edited by redsoxnation on 27.12.05 1550)
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#23 Posted on 27.12.05 1502.54
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by BigSteve
      Colon won a Cy Young and Halladay would have won it if not for a fluke injury so I don't know why they need to bounce back.









    The question in regards to Colon is the injury that knocked him out of Game 5 of the ALDS and kept him off the roster for the ALCS. With Byrd and Washburn gone, the Angels need Colon to not only be healthy but also be an 18-20 game winner.
    It was a fluke injury to Halladay. However, does breaking the bone in his leg cause him to alter his mechanics?
    The Yankees have question marks. However, they have the fewest question marks in the division. Now, if you want the great equalizer for the Yankees, it is will this be the year where Rivera is mortal? If he is, the Yankees are in a dog fight in the division. If Rivera is Rivera, they have the best team on paper in the division.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 27.12.05 1550)

Problem for the Yankees is that winning the division is really just a checkpoint on their road to where they HAVE to get to in order for the year to be considered a success. I would be surprised if they lose the division, simply because over 162 games they will face enough 3,4, and 5 starters that they can run out of the ballpark, and get enough decent games from their pitching staff that they win 93-100 games and take the AL East. The problem comes in the playoffs when they face a couple pitching staffs that can shut them down, and offenses that can hit well enough that the Yanks can't easily outslug them. As good as their offense is, I would probably bet on the White Sox or the Angels against them in the postseason, and possibly even the A's or the Blue Jays in a short series, especially the Jays (2 Halliday starts could be a 2-0 lead right there).

That said, I could see the Yanks making a midseason pitching move, esp. if some team feels they got a bad deal this offseason.
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#24 Posted on 28.12.05 1122.16
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I think the "ifs" really are that mighty. Johnson is now 42, and if part of the Yankees plan for this year hinges on him pitching as well or better than he did last year, that's a tough order. I wouldn't bet the farm on a 42 year old pitching like an ace. It could happen, but the odds are against it. Mussina has had an ERA above 4.00 three of the last four years and has missed significant time in the last two years. At this point, he's their number two, but his performance is more like a middle of the rotation starter.
We heard the same thing about Randy last year, and while he was pretty crappy/inconsistant in the first half, he ended strong. Schilling was injured most of the season (<100 IP), was MORE inconsistant than Randy, and just turned 39? Mussina has started 31, 27, and 30 games in the last three seasons. Is a few starts a year that significant? He has been way too inconsistant for the past two seasons, and his innings were way down (164/179), but if he is healthy, I'll take the chance with his consistancy.
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Pavano could conceivably get back to his 2003 form, but right now he's a 30 year old who has had exactly one good season in his career. Wang was a nice pitcher as a rookie anc could definately pitch well this year, but then again I wouldn't put too much faith in a 25 year old with a handful of career starts who doesn't strike anyone out to be an ace. Chacon could turn out to be a diamond in the rough, but if you want to win a World Series, that's another gamble good teams shouldn't be taking.
I agree on Pavano, and just hope for the best on that hoss. With Wang and Chacon, a body of work has to start somewhere. Wang was solid enough last year, and his performance warrants going into the season with him in the #5 hole. With said performace, and at his salary, what teams wouldn't jump on that? Same thing with Chacon. You wouldn't throw him into your team's rotation as the #3 or #4 guy based on last season, and also with HIS salary also? You know, you posted the phrase "if you want to win a World Series, that's another gamble good teams shouldn't be taking," but if they traded Wang and Chacon for (picking any two names) Oswalt and Pedro, wouldn't people be crying about the rich getting richer? Are there many, if any, better 4/5 starters in baseball than those two? Granted, it means crap if their 1/2/3 guys eat it, but look around the league, and see who some of the teams who "want to win a World Series" are planning on trotting out to the mound every 5 days.
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Colon won a Cy Young and Halladay would have won it if not for a fluke injury so I don't know why they need to bounce back. I'd say Schilling will be about as good as Johnson will be this year.
Fluke injury or not, a season ending breaking-of-the-leg is a major injury, as is a pitcher's throwing shoulder. Not saying they can't bounce back, but you can never be sure.
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Millwood won the AL ERA title last year. Anything within a half run of his 2005 performance will make him better than anyone that makes a start for the Yankees this year. Millwood probably was overpaid, but the Yankees have bottomless pockets so I have no idea why they didn't pursue a guy like Millwood.
Well, maybe the Yanks can deal for Millwood in 2008, since he seems to have established a "great season every third year" pattern.
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