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The 7 - Banished - An honest question for non believers
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#1 Posted on 8.12.05 2323.20
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Here is a question 4 U nonbelievers out there.
Do U recall these words? "...that all men[and women]were created equal, that they R endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...." These words taken from the Declaration of Independence, R the foundation for many of our most important beliefs and laws, these R some of the profound ideals which radically separate our nation from many of the societies around the world.
So my question, fellow chatters, is this: Is the Declaration of Independence unconstitutional? If a person does not believe in a supreme creator, how could he have been endowed by inalienable rights by a creator whom doesn't exist? Does such a person, therefore, have rights? If so, who has "endowed" those rights 2 this person? What will be the limitations of these rights and who is to decide that?
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#2 Posted on 8.12.05 2333.04
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#3 Posted on 8.12.05 2351.06
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300 years? What is 2005 minus 1776? (But that's is a little aside)
Do atheist have rights or not, or if their is no God, do any of us have rights? It's just a friendly question.:)
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#4 Posted on 8.12.05 2357.19
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U R not Prince. Please speak English, use proper grammar, or find another board 2 help U pass civics class.
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#5 Posted on 9.12.05 0006.31
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In the absence of God, I would suppose that either of your parents can suffice as your "Creator" thus granting you said inalienable rights.


And a word to the wise - internet shorthand is generally frowned upon here. It's always good to actually lurk and read a board or a particular forum before attempting to start conversation. That way you end up learning the accepted conventions and don't unintentionally make an ass of yourself, as first impressions do tend to last quite a while.
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#6 Posted on 9.12.05 0030.06
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    In the absence of God, I would suppose that either of your parents can suffice as your "Creator" thus granting you said inalienable rights.


Also, it would be hard to have a slice of semantics declared against the law of something that wouldn't even be written/ratified for another 11 years.

(edited by Blanket Jackson on 9.12.05 0130)
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#7 Posted on 9.12.05 0209.15
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I have to disagree, parents can not take the place of God.

The reason I pose ,the above question(s) is this: In our era we have one group of people determined to eliminate the words "...one nation under God..." from the pledge of allegiance. We have public schools determined to teach children that they have evolved from monkeys. We have courts that seem determined to get rid of the Ten Commandments and anything else to do with Christianity. If there truly is no God, then all these things are justified. However, if there is no Creator, how can we say anyone has any rights period? Since inalienable rights are a vital foundational ideal on which our government system is based, then is our government and our way of life in this country illegitimate? Should we just give it all back to the Indians and leave?
My own answer to the question is of course no. We do have an almighty Creator, who has endowed each of us with inalienable rights. Ergo, our system of government and our culture and our way of life in this country are entirely legitimate and very much worth our protecting and preserving no matter the cost.
My purpose in asking the question was not to stand in judgment of anyone, rather just to find out how others think. I'm just a humble traveler looking for knowledge.

As far as my (as you say) possibly making an "A..." of myself by not using the accepted grammar, to humor you I shall endeavor to do better. However I must point something out. For one thing I have noticed many of your readers/writers are not exactly monuments to English grammar. You have at least one person here who thinks the Declaration of Independence is over 300 years old. If I have made and "A..." of myself, please consider that Bill O'Reilly is widely considered to be an "A..." and he's wealthy. Most of the Holly Wood performers are constantly behaving like "A...'s" and the whole world loves them.
Personally though, I'm not really concerned with any of that, It's not my problem what you think of me, I just wanted someone to talk with.
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#8 Posted on 9.12.05 0212.44
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Hey scumbag, if you are going to use quotation marks please QUOTE!

You used were instead of are and it is unalienable not inalienable. "R" is not a word and finally Creator is capitalized.

First of all, the Declaration of Indepence is not law so it really can't be unconstitutional.

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#9 Posted on 9.12.05 1139.30
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    Hey scumbag, if you are going to use quotation marks please QUOTE!

    You used were instead of are and it is unalienable not inalienable. "R" is not a word and finally Creator is capitalized.

    First of all, the Declaration of Indepence is not law so it really can't be unconstitutional.

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There is no excuse for your lack of civility. Also, you're not the one to decide when threads get closed. Thanks
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