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#41 Posted on 12.12.05 0919.04
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As someone who wishes Sting would have closed out his career with the Flair match on the last Nitro, I'm actually interested in this move.

The ringwork is ierrelevant. The success of WCW in the mid-90s wasn't because Hogan and Piper, Nash, etc. were great workers. It was because they were engaging personalities in storylines that worked. I don't know what TNA has planned for Sting, but ultimately, it all hinges on that. If they're bringing in Sting so Jarrett can beat him, then they're wasting their time (Jarrett has already beaten Sting anyway).

I don't think Sting's drawing power and influence in wrestling should be overlooked. Yeah, he was never Steve Austin, but he was a steady babyface who could always be put at the top of the card and had more than a few moments of success. He's still a relevant name in wrestling. There were even rumblings that The Rock wanted to work with him as recently as WrestleMania 22.

But, we'll see. Sting could just be collecting a paycheck, too. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
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#42 Posted on 12.12.05 1041.32
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The only question that matters, of course: Is it Crow Sting, or Colorful Sting?
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#43 Posted on 12.12.05 1418.45
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    The only question that matters, of course: Is it Crow Sting, or Colorful Sting?


From the ad on the TNA site, I'm guessing Crow Sting.

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#44 Posted on 15.12.05 1631.26
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Well, on one hand Sting's presence bumps everyone down a slot on the card.
That's main events that AJ, Christian and Brown lose.

Yes, he's old, and this won't add to his legacy. A WWE nostalgia run would have been so much better from every standpoint (plus, the odds of Sting getting a Legend DVD set is diminished)


But, a company can never have to much talent.
And all of a sudden TNA's uppercard is pretty stacked with name guys and good wrestlers.

I dunno, I truly don't think they'll job everyone out to Stinger, but if they use him as a headliner who wrestles grudge matches but doesn't occupy the title scene then it'll work.

If they give him a 6 month run with the strap, kiss this company goodnight.
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#45 Posted on 16.12.05 1249.39
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    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    If they give him (Sting) a 6 month run with the strap, kiss this company goodnight.


How can you say that?

Are you saying that having Jeff Jarrett holding the belt for half a year would be better? Hell, I like Jarrett. I love that he's stuck in a time warp and hasn't changed a thing about himself in a decade(except he traded his 'music career' for his mullet), but for someone to actually NOT want someone else other then Jarrett to hold on to the belt for any length of time is just crazy talk.

Sting can easily carry this company to higher ratings and a better quality of matches in the upper card. Look at what he did in WCW. He gave the big guy (Vader, Hogan, Nash, Giant, Luger even) good matches and made them look good AND he could go with the smaller/younger guys.

Sting could be their 'Ric Flair' of the nineties. Look at the great matches Flair had in the nineties against Savage or Sting. You had a guy who should have been heading out of his prime, yet still held out better then 2/3's of the roster.

This is Sting, indeed!

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Also, who was it that said Sting was not a legend? I think I'm gonna have to disagree with that.

Sting more then deserves to be held up with the likes of Piper, Snuka, Flair, and the like because he essentially was the backbone of WCW for a good portion of it's existence. Sting was the 'go to' guy when they needed someone big on the good guy side. Why do you think they had the NWO have a fake sting? Why not a fake Luger. (OK, that sounds stupid even to me, but I think you got the idea...)

Bischoff devised a year long story, back during the hight of WCW's popularity, centered on one guy... Sting. Why do yo think a company would center it's biggest storyline around someone who doesn't deserve to be held up in such a light. Tell me you didn't think Sting would be the one to finally end the NWO's strangle hold on the company.
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#46 Posted on 16.12.05 1342.05
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    Sting can easily carry this company to higher ratings and a better quality of matches in the upper card.


Sting is an almost 47 year old man who hasn't meant anything in seven years and hasn't had a really good match in six. So if he is in fact going to do that I don't think it will be very easy.


    for someone to actually NOT want someone else other then Jarrett to hold on to the belt for any length of time is just crazy talk.


It's not an either/or proposition. The either/or is 'someone good' vs. 'someone not.'
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#47 Posted on 16.12.05 1401.13
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    Bischoff devised a year long story, back during the hight of WCW's popularity, centered on one guy... Sting.


"devised a year long story" is quite a stretch. He put Sting in black and in the rafters and had no particular plan on what to do with him between then and match with Hogan. Go back thru, and you can see them tease other directions and then completely drop them, and the initial idea was for him to do the match much sooner. It worked out over a year, but when they did the fake Sting angle pre-Fall Brawl, and even when Sting did his last speech after Fall brawl, Bischoff had 0% clue where they'd end up.

Anyway, the year was not centered around Sting - it was centered around the nWo, and Sting was just a looming foil. Sting wasn't given a new image because that management thought Sting was a legend - he became black/white Sting because management didn't think surfer happy Sting was a credible threat to the nWo and they needed to recreate them.

You name Jimmy Snuka as a legend, and Jimmy's probably wrestled as much as Sting has in the last few years - would you like to see TNA centered around Jimmy Snuka? Sting's not Jimmy Snuka, but he's close to Snuka than he is to someone like Christian.
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#48 Posted on 16.12.05 1403.49
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Really the only purpose someone like a Sting should serve at this point in his career is draw a few bigger buyrates for TNA and then proceed to put someone over to the next level (Joe/Monty/Styles/Christian/etc.) on the strength of his name and persona recognition. To use that on Jarrett would simply be ego-stroking and would serve less of a purpose.

It's an age-old formula, but Sting at this point shouldn't be carrying the company so much as he should more be a side attraction meant to add a few thousand extra buys per PPV with the intent of elevating some of the kids who need a springboard.



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#49 Posted on 16.12.05 1429.50
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      Bischoff devised a year long story, back during the hight of WCW's popularity, centered on one guy... Sting.


    "devised a year long story" is quite a stretch. ...


I also remember that Sting took time away from the company to make TNT films and heal from some injuries. And the payoff match at then end of the year was a disaster. The ref counted normally to three as Hogan pinned Sting, Then Bret Hart ran out to protest another "screwjob" and made the match start over. But the damage was done: Hogan pinned Sting without benefit of a quick count. If they had a yearlong plan, this match didn't reflect it at all.
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#50 Posted on 16.12.05 2035.18
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Jimmy's probably wrestled as much as Sting has in the last few years - would you like to see TNA centered around Jimmy Snuka?


Yes.

Actually, I would put a shiny quarter on Snuka wrestling quite a bit more than Sting recently.

Perhaps using Sting in the Andre role of over guy who doesn't need a title might work.
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#51 Posted on 16.12.05 2205.55
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Also, who was it that said Sting was not a legend? I think I'm gonna have to disagree with that.

    Sting more then deserves to be held up with the likes of Piper, Snuka, Flair, and the like because he essentially was the backbone of WCW for a good portion of it's existence.


Um, Snuka maybe. But Piper? Say what you will about his tendency in recent years toward nonsensical ranting (though he was comparitively articulate and lucid at the HOF ceremony earlier this year), but Roddy Piper was one of the greatest heels of all-time. He was probably I'd say, other than Hollywood Hogan, the last true heel in the common wrestling era. He had them ready to riot, and there's definite credibility to the notion that the first Wrestlemania's success had as much to do with the hatred Piper stirred up in the fans as it did with the love they had for Hogan. Piper was one of the main contributing factors toward building the WWE as we know it today.

Sting was a more than competent worker, and now that I've gotten a chance to see a lot more of his 80's stuff through 24/7 I must admit he was quite athletic in his day. However as far as I know he never cut a meaningful, emotional promo, and if he was the backbone of WCW for a good portion of its existence, he must share at least partial blame for the fact that it had more years in the red than in the black, like for example, just about every year until Hogan, Nash, and Hall got there.
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#52 Posted on 17.12.05 0700.36
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    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by flairforthegold13
      If they give him (Sting) a 6 month run with the strap, kiss this company goodnight.


    How can you say that?

    Are you saying that having Jeff Jarrett holding the belt for half a year would be better? Hell, I like Jarrett. I love that he's stuck in a time warp and hasn't changed a thing about himself in a decade(except he traded his 'music career' for his mullet), but for someone to actually NOT want someone else other then Jarrett to hold on to the belt for any length of time is just crazy talk.




Christian? Joe? Styles? Monty?


    Sting can easily carry this company to higher ratings and a better quality of matches in the upper card. Look at what he did in WCW. He gave the big guy (Vader, Hogan, Nash, Giant, Luger even) good matches and made them look good AND he could go with the smaller/younger guys.


You're referencing matches from ten+ years ago, of the guy's effects on a now-deceased company, to show how much Sting can do for TNA.




    Sting could be their 'Ric Flair' of the nineties. Look at the great matches Flair had in the nineties against Savage or Sting. You had a guy who should have been heading out of his prime, yet still held out better then 2/3's of the roster.


Sting was never as good as Ric Flair in the 90s, let alone Ric Flair in the 80s. The idea that he could provide the company's greatest matches when he's competing against some of the best young talent in the US, four years after he wrestled even semi-regularly, and as Justin said nearly seven since his last match of note, is absurd.
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#53 Posted on 17.12.05 1757.02
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Sting was an energetic young guy who was in four star matches and then lost his spark. Just because he held onto it for longer than Luger doesn't mean he's on Flair's level.

As has been pointed out, he was never that much of a speaker, and his ring work went from great to average and then to (from what I saw) AWFUL.

TNA doesn't need to be the alternative in the sense of WCW, they don't need need to ECW, they need to find their own path.

The only time they had that was when AJ was on top. Then it went back to JJ (WCW leftover, WWF reject), quick switched to Rhyno (WWF reject, ECW leftover) back to JJ.

Hell I think Monty Brown SUUUUUUUUCKS (period) but he needs the belt more than Sting. He needs to be in the title matches, the main event, more than Sting.

TNA just doesn't need Sting. AJ, Aries, Shelley, Joe, Abyss, Killings... TNA has no short of guys with no stigma attached, ready to run.

They don't need anybody from outside. Christian is in his prime and Benoit is a work rate machine so it's great the company has Christian and may get Benoit but do they need them?

No.

Sting is not in his prime. Sting is not a work rate machine.

Does TNA need Sting?

Hell no.
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#54 Posted on 17.12.05 1949.11
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Having Sting come back is good for buyrates , as good as Hogan was for WWE in the last 12 months.. but as soon as the novelty of Hogan walking through the curtain wore off,people started realising his wrestling wasnt the best anymore.He was old and he looked old

If TNA can keep Stings wrestling to the bare minimum then it may work... but like all of us , trying to do what we did 10,20 years ago is best left alone.
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#55 Posted on 18.12.05 1930.25
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    Originally posted by AngryJohnny


    TNA just doesn't need Sting. AJ, Aries, Shelley, Joe, Abyss, Killings... TNA has no short of guys with no stigma attached, ready to run.

    They don't need anybody from outside. Christian is in his prime and Benoit is a work rate machine so it's great the company has Christian and may get Benoit but do they need them?

    No.

    Sting is not in his prime. Sting is not a work rate machine.

    Does TNA need Sting?

    Hell no.


Does TNA need Sting to put on an entertaining show? No. Do they need him to get me to watch? No.

But, evidently, they DO need him if they're going to get more than .8 in the ratings in prime time. Now, perhaps they can get by as a viable venture with those ratings for a while, but they'd be foolish to be happy with that. If they can get a big name to bring in more eyeballs, that's a good thing.

Use him like Taker. Keep him away from the title, but in major storylines. Let him beat guys like Jarrett (but not for the strap), and let him help get newer guys over, although not necessarily by jobbing to them (but not by always beating them, either). Star power DOES matter in wrestling, and maybe some of the fans he brings in will make Joe or Monty or someone else into a new star.
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#56 Posted on 18.12.05 2142.59
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I totally agree with people who are saying it's a good move because it will bring in some viewers. I don't know how many people saw the ppv, I'm guessing not a whole lot since there isn't even a thread on it yet, but the crowd went nuts for Sting, the spotlight on the Sting gear got a bigger pop than AJ, Christian, Joe, Monty, Daniels or whoever else should be in the main event.

And I'm not real concerned about anyone losing their spot. Yeah talented guys like Bentley, Sabin, Aries and Strong are getting the short end of the stick right now, but you're crazy if you think Joe, AJ, Daniels, Christian, or Monty are going to lose their spots. I mean look at the last ppv. Jarrett and Rhino was the main event, but AJ, Joe, Christian, Monty, AMW, Team 3D, Sabu, and Abyss all still had pretty major matches.
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#57 Posted on 18.12.05 2149.21
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If they could guarantee me that the current Sting is even 50% of the Sting that faced Muta, Flair, Rude, Cactus, Vader in the late 80's through mid 90's, I'd believe this would be an excellent signing for TNA. However, there is a better chance of him being a 2002 Kevin Nash than a 1989 Sting.
On the Hogan vs. Sting returning comparison: I'm not a Hogan fan. However, Hogan has crossover appeal, Sting doesn't.
As for Sting bringing in the WCW fan who disappeared after March 2001: If Flair showing up on TV couldn't bring them back, I doubt Sting will. Also, if they stopped watching wrestling, how would they even know Sting returned? Spike TV isn't CBS. Also, it's been almost 5 years, if those fans were going to return, they would have already. Time to forget bringing WCW fans back, and worry about developing and cultivating a fan base of their own.
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#58 Posted on 18.12.05 2212.39
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    I don't know how many people saw the ppv, I'm guessing not a whole lot since there isn't even a thread on it yet


I did, but there wasn't much to talk about other than Sabu slicing open Abyss's arm and stabbing him with that shank.

The rest was a typical TNA PPV, and that is a good thing.
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#59 Posted on 18.12.05 2224.49
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    And I'm not real concerned about anyone losing their spot. Yeah talented guys like Bentley, Sabin, Aries and Strong are getting the short end of the stick right now, but you're crazy if you think Joe, AJ, Daniels, Christian, or Monty are going to lose their spots. I mean look at the last ppv. Jarrett and Rhino was the main event, but AJ, Joe, Christian, Monty, AMW, Team 3D, Sabu, and Abyss all still had pretty major matches.


They're almost certainly going to build to a Jarrett-Sting Title match so of course those guys are losing their spots. The next title challenges should be from Joe, Christian, or maybe Monty, but instead Sting will come in and get a title program just like Savage and Nash did last year. TNA wants to be the wrestling alternative, but it's not going to happen if they continue to try to bring in guys from WWE and WCW that have "name value" without realizing that they've done it a dozen times (including with Sting himself), and it hasn't yet worked.

RSN hit the nail on the head with this one. The people who know Sting is coming in either already watch TNA or know about it but don't like it and aren't likely to start watching because of Sting. Not a lot of channel flippers late on Saturday night to get hooked into a wrestling show by a guy who hasn't been a major name in the US in over five years and who is at least a decade past his peak.

Maybe Sting will help them pull a 1.0 or a 1.2 in the short term. But would it really be that hard to do that by booking good shows with stars like Samoa Joe and Christian who don't seem like rehashes of the past.
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#60 Posted on 20.12.05 2245.43
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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by AngryJohnny


      TNA just doesn't need Sting. AJ, Aries, Shelley, Joe, Abyss, Killings... TNA has no short of guys with no stigma attached, ready to run.

      They don't need anybody from outside. Christian is in his prime and Benoit is a work rate machine so it's great the company has Christian and may get Benoit but do they need them?

      No.

      Sting is not in his prime. Sting is not a work rate machine.

      Does TNA need Sting?

      Hell no.


    Does TNA need Sting to put on an entertaining show? No. Do they need him to get me to watch? No.

    But, evidently, they DO need him if they're going to get more than .8 in the ratings in prime time.
Well I take issue with this idea for a few reasons.

Have you SEEN what they're doing with Undertaker? How does that invite any positive comparisons?

TNA doesn't need to bring in the harcore WCW fans. Most of those (like me) are still watching and are just unhappy. The lost casual WCW fans don't give a crap about Sting. They were there for Hogan or Goldberg and did not give a crap about Sting. Redsoxnation hit it on the head. They aren't coming back.

TNA needs less jobber matches, less Double J, longer X Division matches, better music... tons of things.

But walking relics aren't among them.

    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon

    Maybe Sting will help them pull a 1.0 or a 1.2 in the short term. But would it really be that hard to do that by booking good shows with stars like Samoa Joe and Christian
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