The W
Views: 98924051
Main | FAQ | Search: Y! / G | Color chart | Log in for more!
16.9.07 0006
The 7 - Hockey - Say it Aint' So, Joe Register and log in to post!
(88 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
User
Post (15 total)
odessasteps
Scrapple
Level: 129

Posts: 2190/5065
EXP: 24552407
For next: 497314

Since: 2.1.02
From: MD, USA

Since last post: 90 days
Last activity: 57 days
#1 Posted on 30.11.05 2211.05
Reposted on: 30.11.12 2211.38
BOSTON --The struggling Boston Bruins traded captain Joe Thornton to the San Jose Sharks on Wednesday night in exchange for three players.

The Bruins get forwards Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau and defenseman Brad Stuart for Thornton, who signed a three-year, $20 million contract with Boston in August and was once thought to be the future of the franchise.

The 6-foot-4, 225-pound Thornton had been the key to the Bruins' offense. He scored more than 20 goals in each of his last five NHL seasons, including two with 30 or more. In 2003-04, he led the team in scoring with 23 goals and 50 assists.

This season, the 26-year-old Thornton has nine goals and 24 assists for Boston, which has lost nine of its last 10 games and is in last place in the Northeast Division.
Promote this thread!
orangeman
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 171/224
EXP: 203318
For next: 3126

Since: 21.8.04
From: ...that would be telling

Since last post: 3010 days
Last activity: 2956 days
#2 Posted on 30.11.05 2227.03
Reposted on: 30.11.12 2227.43
Hmmm, perhaps this stalls the Mike Sullivan death watch for a bit. Now there will be Bruins talk on WEEI for at least an hour or two tomorrow before the callers go back to Manny Ramirez and the Patriots injury problems.

I wonder what the combined salaries of the 3 new guys are because one of Boston's problems was/is the salary cap, despite managment's pre-season proclamtions that things had worked just like they wanted and they were in great position money-wise.
Chumpstain
Boudin rouge
Level: 47

Posts: 116/491
EXP: 739569
For next: 26640

Since: 21.1.02
From: Canada

Since last post: 6 days
Last activity: 1 hour
#3 Posted on 1.12.05 0214.53
Reposted on: 1.12.12 0215.10
    Originally posted by orangeman
    I wonder what the combined salaries of the 3 new guys are because one of Boston's problems was/is the salary cap, despite managment's pre-season proclamtions that things had worked just like they wanted and they were in great position money-wise.


The Bruins will save 1.66 million dollars against the cap with this trade.
Mr. Heat Miser
Blutwurst
Level: 36

Posts: 251/259
EXP: 283138
For next: 24975

Since: 27.1.02

Since last post: 2507 days
Last activity: 610 days
#4 Posted on 1.12.05 0740.06
Reposted on: 1.12.12 0740.06
So I see why San Jose would make the deal, but what do the B's get out of it? They save a bit of cap room, but there were other ways to do that...

Is Boston throwing in the towel on the season already?
odessasteps
Scrapple
Level: 129

Posts: 2192/5065
EXP: 24552407
For next: 497314

Since: 2.1.02
From: MD, USA

Since last post: 90 days
Last activity: 57 days
#5 Posted on 1.12.05 0800.17
Reposted on: 1.12.12 0800.34

Wasn't Thorton going to be a free agent? And Likely not to re-sign with the B's?

orangeman
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 172/224
EXP: 203318
For next: 3126

Since: 21.8.04
From: ...that would be telling

Since last post: 3010 days
Last activity: 2956 days
#6 Posted on 1.12.05 0818.45
Reposted on: 1.12.12 0819.24
    Originally posted by odessasteps
    Thornton, who signed a three-year, $20 million contract with Boston in August


^^^ from your first post in the thread ^^^
pieman
As young as
he feels
Level: 111

Posts: 2101/3568
EXP: 14550995
For next: 317411

Since: 11.12.01
From: China, Maine

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 3 hours
AIM:  
ICQ:  
Y!:
#7 Posted on 1.12.05 0904.11
Reposted on: 1.12.12 0904.19
    Originally posted by Mr. Heat Miser
    Is Boston throwing in the towel on the season already?


This appears to be throwing the towel in for several years and for what purpose? How can saving a little cap room be worth giving away your best player??? And believe me, they gave him away because these three scrubeenies they got back is a crap sandwich. I must go read the Boston Globe now so my head will really explode.
JayJayDean
Scrapple
Level: 125

Posts: 2435/4719
EXP: 22080857
For next: 373370

Since: 2.1.02
From: Seattle, WA

Since last post: 12 days
Last activity: 1 hour
AIM:  
Y!:
#8 Posted on 1.12.05 0907.45
Reposted on: 1.12.12 0907.51
This reminds me of why I'm glad I turned from a Bruins fan to an Avs fan. (Thank you Ray Bourque-trade!) How does giving a guy a three-year, near-max deal then trading him after only 20 GAMES make ANY sense?
El Nastio
Andouille
Level: 90

Posts: 930/2226
EXP: 7144435
For next: 44201

Since: 14.1.02
From: Ottawa Ontario, by way of Walkerton

Since last post: 11 hours
Last activity: 55 min.
ICQ:  
#9 Posted on 1.12.05 1125.32
Reposted on: 1.12.12 1125.53
THE BRUINS: They needed a shakeup of some sort after a lousy start to the season. Personally, I think you can lay the fault on the defense and poor goaltending and not Thorton. And I don't think ANYBODY counted on the Northeast being the northBEAST with all of the killer teams in there *who wants to play Ottawa, Habs, Leafs, and Sabres eight times this season?). I'll tell ya though, NO ONE on that roster is safe, and they know that now. Sturm, Primeau, and Stuart aren't anyone to sneeze at. They don't have the skill of Thorton alone, that much is true....but they are still good players. I think this trade makes Bostona better TEAM, and gives them some more pieces to build with. That's not pieces to build AROUND, but WITH. None of those guys can you say "hey, he's a cornerstone!". But they are guys who can contribute on a regular basis. The 1.66 million being saved? Well, they can make a run for someone now.


THE SHARKS: BRILLIANT trade by Doug Wilson. They needed a shakeup as well. Some scoring and size were the two big needs. He certianly aquired that. The Sharks have TONNES of deph on their team, they were merely lacking that goto guy, the impact player who can change the face of the game. The Sharks now have two of the best young centres in the game with Thorton and Patrick Marlou (sp?). They'll be set in that position for YEARS.


ADAVTANGE: Sharks, no question.



(edited by El Nastio on 1.12.05 1227)
haz
Landjager
Level: 61

Posts: 626/904
EXP: 1851361
For next: 25246

Since: 2.1.02
From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada

Since last post: 34 days
Last activity: 19 days
#10 Posted on 1.12.05 1232.49
Reposted on: 1.12.12 1232.58
    Originally posted by Chumpstain
      Originally posted by orangeman
      I wonder what the combined salaries of the 3 new guys are because one of Boston's problems was/is the salary cap, despite managment's pre-season proclamtions that things had worked just like they wanted and they were in great position money-wise.


    The Bruins will save 1.66 million dollars against the cap with this trade.


True enough that is a small savings, but for the next two years the savings balloons to 13 million.

This will free up room for them to go after something bigger next summer....

Still don't like the deal, but one must wait and see, I guess.
pieman
As young as
he feels
Level: 111

Posts: 2103/3568
EXP: 14550995
For next: 317411

Since: 11.12.01
From: China, Maine

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 3 hours
AIM:  
ICQ:  
Y!:
#11 Posted on 1.12.05 1340.19
Reposted on: 1.12.12 1340.32
I have since read the Globe and the feeling is "well, something needed to happen." Thornton seemed surprised and a little disappointed and that he was being blamed for the lousy start. Some of the writers are saying maybe if Bergeron, Raycroft and some of the others had stepped up a little, then Joe wouldn't have been traded. The article also stated that in coming seasons, Thornton's contract would have assumed about 20% of their payroll. There was also some belief that Samsonov would be the one traded since he's an unrestricted free agent after the season. Maybe he's next?
britishiles
Head cheese
Level: 38

Posts: 83/330
EXP: 346583
For next: 23867

Since: 22.7.05
From: Suburbs of Tulsa, OK

Since last post: 2111 days
Last activity: 156 days
#12 Posted on 1.12.05 1546.36
Reposted on: 1.12.12 1546.58
Hey...if the B's can trade Bourque they can trade anyone.

I guess we should also keep in mind that Gretzky was traded twice (or was it three times).
orangeman
Salami
Level: 32

Posts: 173/224
EXP: 203318
For next: 3126

Since: 21.8.04
From: ...that would be telling

Since last post: 3010 days
Last activity: 2956 days
#13 Posted on 1.12.05 2356.31
Reposted on: 1.12.12 2357.40
Something else about Thornton's contract that I didn't know until tonight, he had a no-trade clause for years 2 and 3. From listening to Harry Sinden and Mike O'Connell today and knowing that about the contract, I get the impression the team thought Thornton had done all he could do here and they didn't see him improving past the level he'd reached, so they moved him and will look to spend the money elsewhere rather than have it locked up. I don't necessarily have a problem with that line of thinking, but I think concern over the money caused them to come up way short in shopping the deal to get as close to equal value as they could talent-wise.
Freeway
Scrapple
Level: 110

Posts: 3120/3504
EXP: 14125858
For next: 283074

Since: 3.1.02
From: Calgary

Since last post: 267 days
Last activity: 8 days
#14 Posted on 2.12.05 0023.25
Reposted on: 2.12.12 0023.35

    I get the impression the team thought Thornton had done all he could do here and they didn't see him improving past the level he'd reached, so they moved him and will look to spend the money elsewhere rather than have it locked up. I don't necessarily have a problem with that line of thinking, but I think concern over the money caused them to come up way short in shopping the deal to get as close to equal value as they could talent-wise.


The Flames (circa 1991) had a huge bloated payroll and had to dismantle, so they did so in a series of trades just as lopsided as the Thornton deal (if not moreso). Those deals, especially the absolutely one-sided Doug Gilmour trade, were just as rushed as the Thornton deal and sunk a profitable and successful team.

Let's hope the Bruins don't fall into the same trap.
pieman
As young as
he feels
Level: 111

Posts: 2105/3568
EXP: 14550995
For next: 317411

Since: 11.12.01
From: China, Maine

Since last post: 1 day
Last activity: 3 hours
AIM:  
ICQ:  
Y!:
#15 Posted on 2.12.05 0938.47
Reposted on: 2.12.12 0938.49
A nice 3-0 win against the league's top team last night and Sturm scores on his first shift. That's a good way to be welcomed by your teammates. We'll see how long the honeymoon lasts, though.
ALL ORIGINAL POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE NOW AVAILABLE
Thread ahead: Mario Hospitalized With Irregular Heartbeat
Next thread: How are there still ties in Hockey?
Previous thread: My trip to RBC
(88 newer) Next thread | Previous thread
Related threads: Bruins sign Thornton! - Modano to the Bruins? - Gonchar dealt to Bruins - More...
The 7 - Hockey - Say it Aint' So, JoeRegister and log in to post!

The W™ message board - 7 year recycle

ZimBoard
©2001-2014 Brothers Zim
This old hunk of junk rendered your page in 0.484 seconds.