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#41 Posted on 4.12.05 1551.47
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    Originally posted by Crimedog
    No, that's flat wrong. Here's how it most likely would've broken down:

    Fiesta: Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State
    Orange: Penn State, W. Va., Ohio State
    Sugar: Some random combination that wouldn't have mattered.

    So, Fiesta gets No. 1 and No. 3. Notre Dame and Ohio State.
    Orange gets Penn State.
    Sugar gets W. Va.

Unfortunately, you're the one who's wrong, and you're making a typical mistake: The Fiesta makes its first selection before the lists come into play. Since they take Notre Dame with that pick, this leaves only Penn State, West Virginia, & Ohio State available for the lists, and under the 1-2 rule, Ohio State would have to be third on every list, meaning they go to the Sugar.

The point is, of course, irrelevant since Ohio State is sure to be ranked #4 when the standings are released in the next few minutes, meaning that they'd be no longer subject to the 1-2 rule and could be taken by the Fiesta if they wanted, but just so it's clear: The Fiesta picks its host before the lists come into play.
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#42 Posted on 4.12.05 1807.43
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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      Originally posted by Crimedog
      No, that's flat wrong. Here's how it most likely would've broken down:

      Fiesta: Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State
      Orange: Penn State, W. Va., Ohio State
      Sugar: Some random combination that wouldn't have mattered.

      So, Fiesta gets No. 1 and No. 3. Notre Dame and Ohio State.
      Orange gets Penn State.
      Sugar gets W. Va.

    Unfortunately, you're the one who's wrong, and you're making a typical mistake: The Fiesta makes its first selection before the lists come into play. Since they take Notre Dame with that pick, this leaves only Penn State, West Virginia, & Ohio State available for the lists, and under the 1-2 rule, Ohio State would have to be third on every list, meaning they go to the Sugar.

    The point is, of course, irrelevant since Ohio State is sure to be ranked #4 when the standings are released in the next few minutes, meaning that they'd be no longer subject to the 1-2 rule and could be taken by the Fiesta if they wanted, but just so it's clear: The Fiesta picks its host before the lists come into play.


So if that's the case, then how come all the predictions before this weekend _ with the unspoken assumption that LSU and Va. Tech would win _ had Notre Dame and Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl? Everybody else was wrong and you're right?
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#43 Posted on 4.12.05 2231.20
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    Originally posted by Crimedog
    So if that's the case, then how come all the predictions before this weekend - with the unspoken assumption that LSU and Va. Tech would win - had Notre Dame and Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl? Everybody else was wrong and you're right?

My only conclusion is that the pundits weren't familiar with the rules behind BCS selection (which wouldn't be all that surprising because it took ME a good while to figure them out).
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#44 Posted on 4.12.05 2253.23
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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    My only conclusion is that the pundits weren't familiar with the rules behind BCS selection (which wouldn't be all that surprising because it took ME a good while to figure them out).


No offense intended, TK, but you misinterpreting the rules is a MUCH more plausible scenario. At some point ONE of these Professional Football Journalists would've gotten tipped off that they were incorrect putting West Virginia in the Sugar (and I think you had missed the boat on Notre Dame's scenarios early on)...ESPN had a guy whose ONLY job is covering the BCS, fercryinoutloud. EVERYONE* had West Virginia headed to the Sugar for weeks.

*If you can link to someone who had it the same as you, I'll give it up to you.
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#45 Posted on 4.12.05 2311.32
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    No offense intended, TK, but you misinterpreting the rules is a MUCH more plausible scenario. At some point ONE of these Professional Football Journalists would've gotten tipped off that they were incorrect putting West Virginia in the Sugar (and I think you had missed the boat on Notre Dame's scenarios early on)...ESPN had a guy whose ONLY job is covering the BCS, fercryinoutloud. EVERYONE had West Virginia headed to the Sugar for weeks.

You're right that I missed the boat on Notre Dame early on (if I had only thought to go back and see where they were ranked when they played Oregon State those years ago sooner, I wouldn't have missed it).

Looking back on it now, though, I think much of my misplacings of West Virginia were based not on my misinterpreting the rules, but on a faulty assumption that each bowl would submit the same priority listing. Take a look at the Week 5 thread, for instance, and you'll see that I never considered that the Orange & Fiesta would rank two different teams first so that they wouldn't have to take West Virginia.

My only suggestion is that you read the bylaws and try to work it out for yourself. At the end of the day, I got the pairings right, and that's all I care about.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=eligibility
http://www.bcsfootball.org/index2.cfm?page=standards

(Please note also that most pundits' projections were based on guesses as to how the rest of the season would turn out, while mine were based on current results strictly applied to the rules.)

(edited by Texas Kelly on 5.12.05 0015)
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