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#21 Posted on 21.11.05 1439.40
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    Originally posted by OMEGA
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

        Alright, firstly, let's just get it out there:

        Bye bye, Rob Van Dam. Yes, it's just pot, but it's a recreational drug and I guarantee that if they actually do this, it'll count.

      I'm inclined to think they'll look the other way for RVD, or maybe even exclude marijuana from the testing. RVD is a really, really popular upper level face, and I can't imagine the WWE serving him up on a plate to TNA. RVD's the kinda guy that could really give TNA some appeal to casual fans.


    I have to wonder how marijuana will be looked at here. I guess not getting rid of guys because it's just pot could be seen as a double standard. However, the other side of me says..... well, it's just pot.


On the one hand, pot isn't what they're looking for, and pot doesn't cause the problems they're looking to solve here, so I could see them looking the other way. (To RVD's credit, I've never heard of him getting so baked that he got himself or anyone else hurt.) On the other hand, busting RVD right away would give the media an epilogue to the Eddie story that makes WWE look good: "A wrestler died from long-term effects of heavy drug abuse, but then WWE got so tough on drugs that they canned another wrestler just for smoking weed."

Only time will tell if the policy is a serious response to Eddie's death or a hollow stunt to deflect criticism, but in either case they could benefit by quickly making a harsh example of a minor offender.
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#22 Posted on 21.11.05 1442.20
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    Originally posted by Kane Is Ugly
    They got a video of the meeting on wwe.com of vince announcing this to the boys (and girls).


I can't get the video where I am. Is there a cut to Chris Masters shrugging and turning in a letter of resignation?
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#23 Posted on 21.11.05 1443.27
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If they enforce this policy to the letter, Vince better be prepared to resort to 1970's AWA matches of having extended mat wrestling focusing on body parts, since, if they go hard on the prescription medications, say good-bye to ladder matches, HITC, high impact moves etc., as the wrestlers bodies wouldn't be able to deal with the punishment.
And, considering Vince went from being a pencil-necked geek announcer to a roided-up main eventer and World Champion, him deciding to ban steroids is disingenuous at best.
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#24 Posted on 21.11.05 1514.04
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    If they enforce this policy to the letter, Vince better be prepared to resort to 1970's AWA matches of having extended mat wrestling focusing on body parts, since, if they go hard on the prescription medications, say good-bye to ladder matches, HITC, high impact moves etc., as the wrestlers bodies wouldn't be able to deal with the punishment.
    And, considering Vince went from being a pencil-necked geek announcer to a roided-up main eventer and World Champion, him deciding to ban steroids is disingenuous at best.
Seconded. They already made the initiative to get back to a more grounded style and cut back on the high-flying, but you still see guys like Angle and Benjamin putting themselves on the line for the sake of a highspot. Part of the problem is the year-round work schedule. Guys don’t get the time-off to heal that you get in every other contact sport, so they turn to drugs to keep going so they don’t lose their spot.
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#25 Posted on 21.11.05 1539.57
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This video was fascinating. All of the wrestlers probably had tons of questions, but didn't want to ask questions because that would indicate that they had something to hide.

There was no media or players association to stick up for them.
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#26 Posted on 21.11.05 1611.46
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Maybe they got to ask their *real* questions after the cameras were shut off, or they can always ask later on in private.

If anything, I would think that Vince & Co. WANTS people to ask for clarifications.
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#27 Posted on 21.11.05 1630.40
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If nothing else these guys should be getting physicals more often ... I would think Eddie's condition could have been spotted a lot sooner if he had some sort of regular check up.
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#28 Posted on 21.11.05 1750.53
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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    If nothing else these guys should be getting physicals more often ... I would think Eddie's condition could have been spotted a lot sooner if he had some sort of regular check up.


Exactly where I was going to head. Talk about taking words away from me to type. I think it's a good thing as long, as other have said in this post, they don't quietly drop it after a few months.
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#29 Posted on 21.11.05 1915.51
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    Originally posted by spf
    My guess is that you'll see the same thing you see in baseball, where they will test for steroids, but not HGH or whatever the cutting-edge designer growth drugs are. This way they can catch a few guys who are on the life-threatening hard drugs, and a couple of guys on roids, but the top guys will just have to do other things to keep their mass.


Bingo. Even if WWE has the best intentions in implementing this new policy, there are just too many ways for guys to illegally bulk up that are undetectable to testing. The only way for things to actually change for the better is for WWE to stop having an environment where, to paraphrase something else, "if you ain't juicing, you ain't trying."

(edited by BigSteve on 22.11.05 0006)
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#30 Posted on 21.11.05 1920.06
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Even if it is dropped in a few months (which I'm sure it will be since I doubt McMahon is willing to take the WWE back to 1973 bodies and offense) if they keep it long enough to get everyone tested and maybe even get full check ups on their talent they'd at least know where each wrestler stands as far as general health goes.

I imagine right now like others have said, many not only take pain killers to be able to work the next night, but also like Eddie did, they ignore a lot of warning signs out of fear the doctor will tell them to take months off (but never dreaming he'd ever say "you need a transplant" or something).


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#31 Posted on 21.11.05 1945.54
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    Originally posted by Bob C


If you watch the video on WWE.COM, Vince specifies that an independent firm will do the testing.


*Chortles*

That is to say - an independent firm >>that has a big contract with World Wrestling Entertainment<< will do the testing. Same as with Baseball and others, this is one of those that sounds good, but can just as easily be a more elaborate smokescreen to protect the talent/investment.

Could be on the level, but you're really still trusting the E to do this legit. Remember, Enron's books were kept by the independent accounting firm of Arthur Andersen.

At least this can't be bad for Trevor Murdock.

Does silicone count as a recreational substance??
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#32 Posted on 21.11.05 1957.34
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I thought it was interesting that he said that people with full time contracts were included. Presumably that excludes those with WWE Legends contracts.
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#33 Posted on 21.11.05 1959.20
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Oh man it's Guess Who's Posting night.

Long take by Dave on the announcement.

    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    Does silicone count as a recreational substance??


No but the women have their own steroids to keep weight off.

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#34 Posted on 21.11.05 2211.55
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Well, it's interesting that WWE is doing this, but I find it dubious that they'll be completely fair when it comes to this sort of thing. It's not as if WWE is made up of individual sports franchises governed by an owners' board and a players' association. Everyone in WWE is on the same "team", so to speak (we'll discuss locker room politics in another thread, thanks), so if they bust, say, Rob Van Dam, they're only shooting themselves in the foot.

In the NFL, if a player gets suspended for violating the substance abuse policy, the team’s gonna simply have to get on without that player. They’ll have to rely on a different quarterback, left tackle, wide receiver, or whatever, or alter the strategy that they’ll employ against their next opponent.

In WWE, having a Superstar, particularly a main-eventer, test positive for steroids and be suspended would mean altering the entire complexion of their brand. No question the storylines would have to be re-written at the eleventh hour, and who here honestly has faith in the creative team’s ability to think on the fly? They barely have the ability to create a compelling storyline when they actually plan it well in advance.

And as was pointed out earlier, bust a main-eventer for violating the substance abuse policy and you might as well gift-wrap him and send him to Jerry Jarrett's doorstep, or to Ring of Honor or Japan. Even a highly-regarded wrestler lower on the card could assist another promotion.

Additionally, Vince said there's an anti-drug policy now in place, but he didn't go into any detail on what the penalty for each infraction would be. We’re just assuming he means suspensions and terminations. But he didn’t mention any steps in between, or really much of anything other than “we’re gonna have a drug policy.”
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#35 Posted on 21.11.05 2346.18
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Vince can't afford anymore deaths. As cold as it sounds, a company can't have a 5% death ratio year in and out and someone isn't gonna take up a crusade against them.

I really don't want to sound like a Mushnick here but it is amazing that the case against the WWE continues to look this bad yet more and there hasn't been more outcry.
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#36 Posted on 22.11.05 0003.28
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Five percent death ratio? What kind of math are you using, exactly? Guerrero's only the second active WWE wrestler to die in the past six years. And the last death in the family, Owen Hart, wasn't drug-related in the least bit, so... where are you getting five percent from?
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#37 Posted on 22.11.05 0020.24
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Sorry. I did make a WILD guess at some percentage rate but you have to count former employees or just the fatality rate for all wrestlers no matter what fed. Go ahead and throw out the few wrestlers that actually die old and the Crash Hollys will still make the numbers pretty high.
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#38 Posted on 22.11.05 0033.09
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    Five percent death ratio? What kind of math are you using, exactly? Guerrero's only the second active WWE wrestler to die in the past six years. And the last death in the family, Owen Hart, wasn't drug-related in the least bit, so... where are you getting five percent from?


It doesn't matter who's been with the WWE, who died from drugs or who didn't, when people hear that "a wrestler" died, they immediately think WWE (actually, WWF).

Vince is going to be held accountable in the public's eyes for every wrestler that dies, regardless of whether or not they ever worked for him. The fact that the company's public now probably changes a lot too.
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#39 Posted on 22.11.05 0503.04
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    It doesn't matter who's been with the WWE, who died from drugs or who didn't, when people hear that "a wrestler" died, they immediately think WWE (actually, WWF).


This is very true, but the flip side is that the less a wrestler had to do with WWE before he died, the less people hear about it. Chris Candido's death wasn't drug-related, but it was no less tragic than Eddie's and didn't get nearly this much attention.
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#40 Posted on 22.11.05 1035.40
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    If nothing else these guys should be getting physicals more often ... I would think Eddie's condition could have been spotted a lot sooner if he had some sort of regular check up.


My guess is having no insurance plan through the WWE and having everything out of pocket most of these guys only see a doctor when something is bothering them. Even then only the issue at hand is targeted so they don't get other things like their hearts, checked out. If WWE paid for at the least, a YEARLY physical, it would be beneficial.
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