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#1 Posted on 21.11.05 0931.28
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According to WWE.com (WWE.com), Vince McMahon has announced a new drug policy for the company.

Kudos to Vince for stepping up to the plate & addressing this situation.

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#2 Posted on 21.11.05 0938.48
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Firstly, I'm glad that the company has taken this step. In light of the recent news or not, it's definitely a necessity, and I don't think too many would disagree on this.

That said.... this is the same company that acknowledged a stringent drug-testing policy in the early-90's (yes, around the time or the Zahorian steroid controversy), and then dropped it quietly years later because -- by Vince McMahon's own omission (I heard him on Off The Record say this) -- the wrestlers are responsible for what they're doing to themselves. He may have been speaking just on the steroid issue here, I can't remember, but the remark was still astounding to me, nonetheless).

So, I guess I hope that they do the right thing on this, and obviously its a shame that it took such a tragedy to make sweeping changes, but I'm not overly optimistic.

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#3 Posted on 21.11.05 0947.04
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I wish I could see this as a necessary human-resources initiative. But the timing leads me to think he wants some mainstream kudos for following the recent change in major-league baseball's steroid policy.

I might be more inclined to think better of it if this wasn't "Vince McMahon announces ... ."
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#4 Posted on 21.11.05 1035.54
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Well, I think this is a great and necessary plan. However, I hope that they:

1) Take it seriously, and
2) Are in it for the long haul, and don't quietly drop it before too long.
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#5 Posted on 21.11.05 1134.56
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Alright, firstly, let's just get it out there:

Bye bye, Rob Van Dam. Yes, it's just pot, but it's a recreational drug and I guarantee that if they actually do this, it'll count.

    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    That said.... this is the same company that acknowledged a stringent drug-testing policy in the early-90's (yes, around the time or the Zahorian steroid controversy), and then dropped it quietly years later because -- by Vince McMahon's own omission (I heard him on Off The Record say this) -- the wrestlers are responsible for what they're doing to themselves. He may have been speaking just on the steroid issue here, I can't remember, but the remark was still astounding to me, nonetheless).

    So, I guess I hope that they do the right thing on this, and obviously its a shame that it took such a tragedy to make sweeping changes, but I'm not overly optimistic.


My sentiments exactly. I just don't see how suddenly after all these years of passive acceptance of performance-enhancing substances the company can say "now we're completely done." Maybe it's me being a pessimist, but I would imagine about ninety percent of the roster is on some sort of steroid, and in order for this to stay legit and work, the company is going to have to go in an entirely different direction.

That being said, I wonder if this'll lead to another "small man" era, similar to the one where we saw guys like Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels get huge pushes? I guess time will tell.
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#6 Posted on 21.11.05 1141.36
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Could someone summarize the policy for me? Iím at work, and canít access wwe.com. Do they actually say what the wrestlers can and cannot take?

Although yeah, much like Bulldog, I donít know that this will actually last. Kudos to them if it does.
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#7 Posted on 21.11.05 1144.49
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What about the "cardiovascular examinations" bit at the bottom? That alone could end up saving a bunch of lives.

Really, this was going to get met with pessimism no matter when it was announced. I hope-and I think that won't be in vain-that this will result in actual changes to the wrestling lifestyle.
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#8 Posted on 21.11.05 1154.01
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    What about the "cardiovascular examinations" bit at the bottom? That alone could end up saving a bunch of lives.


Speaking of cardio stuff, the one thing that hit me was the Triple H-Steiner match at the 2003 Royal Rumble.

As for the steroid thing, I see Vinnie Mac as being two-faced (Snitsky, anyone?)
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#9 Posted on 21.11.05 1154.38
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Really, this was going to get met with pessimism no matter when it was announced. I hope-and I think that won't be in vain-that this will result in actual changes to the wrestling lifestyle.


As do I, but the presentation of the policy -- so far -- looks more like a publicity ploy than a sincere effort to change the level of risks to their athletes. Announcing that a policy exists and then asking we return later to actually read it is just pandering for hit counts.
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#10 Posted on 21.11.05 1221.13
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    Could someone summarize the policy for me? Iím at work, and canít access wwe.com. Do they actually say what the wrestlers can and cannot take?



    In a joint meeting today with the RAW and SmackDown rosters in the United Kingdom, in Sheffield, Vince McMahon announced that within the next several weeks, a new drug testing policy will be implemented in which performance enhancing drugs, such as steroids, etc., recreational drugs, as well as abuse of prescription drugs will be banned.

    In addition to the new drug testing procedure, there will also be an emphasis on cardiovascular examinations.

    The specifics of the drug policy will be announced over the next several weeks. More details to follow. Check with WWE.com for the latest information.


Vince might have named some substances specificly in the meeting, but they probably haven't worked out a full list yet.
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#11 Posted on 21.11.05 1223.07
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    Alright, firstly, let's just get it out there:

    Bye bye, Rob Van Dam. Yes, it's just pot, but it's a recreational drug and I guarantee that if they actually do this, it'll count.

I'm inclined to think they'll look the other way for RVD, or maybe even exclude marijuana from the testing. RVD is a really, really popular upper level face, and I can't imagine the WWE serving him up on a plate to TNA. RVD's the kinda guy that could really give TNA some appeal to casual fans.
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#12 Posted on 21.11.05 1244.54
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      Alright, firstly, let's just get it out there:

      Bye bye, Rob Van Dam. Yes, it's just pot, but it's a recreational drug and I guarantee that if they actually do this, it'll count.

    I'm inclined to think they'll look the other way for RVD, or maybe even exclude marijuana from the testing. RVD is a really, really popular upper level face, and I can't imagine the WWE serving him up on a plate to TNA. RVD's the kinda guy that could really give TNA some appeal to casual fans.


There's the problem with this type of "policy". Certain stars will be allowed certain liberties because of their place on the card. You think someone like a Batista, who (likely) relies just a tad bit on steroids, is gonna get dumped if he doesn't cut back in size? He's paid to look a certain way, and it shows that if WWE wants you a certain way, that's the way you're gonna have to be. It's the vicious cycle of the business.

Of course, this is all moot if this new policy actually is aimed at changing wrestling (i.e., no more rewarding guys with pushes just for being "bigger")
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#13 Posted on 21.11.05 1305.59
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So what's the over/under on the C.M. Punk WWE title reign now?

My guess is that you'll see the same thing you see in baseball, where they will test for steroids, but not HGH or whatever the cutting-edge designer growth drugs are. This way they can catch a few guys who are on the life-threatening hard drugs, and a couple of guys on roids, but the top guys will just have to do other things to keep their mass.

The real question is how this will deal with the abuse of prescription drugs. Sure they might be able to catch someone with coke, but what about the guy who drops 30 Somas a day or something? This will have to be a more holistic policy than just "List of banned substances" if it is going to be a real policy to change the culture of WWE.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is the first step to not having to see so many news stories from Meltzer talking about guys in their 30's-40's passing away.
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#14 Posted on 21.11.05 1319.41
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Don't be so naive. Vince has fought testing for a long time. The WWE didn't go to Oregon for over 10 years because the state government considered it a sport and tested it just like boxing. Vince claimed that the testing would be too expensive.

Bastista likely uses steroids? Come on. Shannon Moore tested positive. If they had real testing, modeled after the Olympics or the NFL, the WWE would be made up of Divas and featherweights.

Vince probably bought stock in the company that makes The Whizzinator as a smart business move before decreeing this new policy.
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#15 Posted on 21.11.05 1325.10
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      Alright, firstly, let's just get it out there:

      Bye bye, Rob Van Dam. Yes, it's just pot, but it's a recreational drug and I guarantee that if they actually do this, it'll count.

    I'm inclined to think they'll look the other way for RVD, or maybe even exclude marijuana from the testing. RVD is a really, really popular upper level face, and I can't imagine the WWE serving him up on a plate to TNA. RVD's the kinda guy that could really give TNA some appeal to casual fans.


I have to wonder how marijuana will be looked at here. I guess not getting rid of guys because it's just pot could be seen as a double standard. However, the other side of me says..... well, it's just pot.
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#16 Posted on 21.11.05 1327.07
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I suppose I'll be impressed (from the "steroids" POV, anyway) when Vince suspends himself for 60 days and comes back weighing a buck-fifty.
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#17 Posted on 21.11.05 1348.02
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    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    There's the problem with this type of "policy". Certain stars will be allowed certain liberties because of their place on the card


If you watch the video on WWE.COM, Vince specifies that an independent firm will do the testing. The wrestler will be notified of the result before Vince. Vince specifies that there will be no exception and that it'll be useless for a wrestler to come to him to plead his case.
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#18 Posted on 21.11.05 1352.29
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    Vince probably bought stock in the company that makes The Whizzinator as a smart business move before decreeing this new policy.



Brilliant business decision then, especially considering baseball implementing their new stronger drug policy.
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#19 Posted on 21.11.05 1404.36
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I have no way of knowing this.... but I imagine that they're not looking for pot here. Without getting into a whole argument of whether it should be allowed at all (and I'm personally in the "shouldn't" camp), I get the impression they're looking for some of the harder stuff.

One thing to add to my earlier comment: Regardless of why or how they're doing this, at least they are. If it prevents at least one tragedy down the road....hey, it's something.
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#20 Posted on 21.11.05 1432.32
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They got a video of the meeting on wwe.com of vince announcing this to the boys (and girls). Kinda neat to see that kind of video being made public. Just seems like one of those things a normal fan would never get to see.

Also, it looks like Joey Styles signed some sort of full time agreement with WWE cause he is right next to Vince in this video.
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