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#1 Posted on 17.11.05 1132.28
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The Onion chimes in on Eddie's death:

    In a ringside announcement before 50,000 screaming, mourning fans, WWE commissioner Vince McMahon ordered The Undertaker to arrange the burial ceremony for his recently deceased nemesis Eddie Guerrero.

    "The Undertaker, I summon you to prepare Eddie's body for the viewing, notify his family and friends of the event, and bury his body deep below the ring at the Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, never to rise again," said McMahon during Monday Night Raw, setting the stage for an unforgettable Survivor Series funeral to be broadcast live on Sunday, Nov. 27. "I know you're backstage, 'Taker, and if you're the man you say you are, then you'll have the ballsand basic funerary-organization skillsto come out here right now and accept this challenge!" Continued...


Too soon.
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#2 Posted on 17.11.05 1220.04
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Normally, I love the Onion. But this is just poor taste mocking a real-life tragedy.
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#3 Posted on 17.11.05 1321.04
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To be fair, that's really what satire sites do. The Onion has made fun of Sept 11, Terry Schiavo, Scott Peterson and OJ (all where people have lost their lives). Perhaps the timing wasn't the greatest, but I wasn't really offended by it.
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#4 Posted on 17.11.05 1330.18
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I wasn't really offended by it either, but I can easily understand why other people will be. And it is kind of inappropriate and in horrible taste.
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#5 Posted on 17.11.05 1338.40
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I'm more offended by the fact that it's not even really funny.
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#6 Posted on 17.11.05 1339.19
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I think the main problem is not that it's offensive; it's just not really funny.

Edit: beaten to it while i was reading the thread. Great minds...

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#7 Posted on 17.11.05 1339.51
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    I'm more offended by the fact that it's not even really funny.


i couldn't have said it better!!!
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#8 Posted on 17.11.05 1341.16
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It's just what The Onion does. I have a lot less problem with this - which is at least meant to be amusing - than the guy on ESPN who (from what I can tell) just acts like a douche for the sake of being a douche. Besides, the Onion has made fun of hundreds of other tragedies and I've laughed at lots of their articles, so I can't complain about this one.

Having said that, I thought the Onion article was pretty lame, apart from the part where Eddie's last will and testament reads, in part, that "if the shadow of evil ever crosses said squared circle, [he] will make [his] presence felt one last time and cleanse the earth with the Frogsplash." And mostly I just think that's funny because I wonder what non-fans must conjure up when they read of a frog splash.
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#9 Posted on 17.11.05 1351.26
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I agree with the consensus that the only offensive thing is that it really isn't funny. The Onion is usually dead-on, but I doubt non-fans would really get it and I think there's little chance wrestling fans would find it funny not just because the wounds are too fresh, but because we've endured more offensive and outlandish ideas over the years by the WWE itself than what the Onion presented in this article.
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#10 Posted on 17.11.05 1353.20
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    To be fair, that's really what satire sites do. The Onion has made fun of Sept 11, Terry Schiavo, Scott Peterson and OJ (all where people have lost their lives). Perhaps the timing wasn't the greatest, but I wasn't really offended by it.


The timing was perfect; the event has to be fresh in the mind for the satire to have full impact. The point of the Onion (and satire in general) is that we laugh at ourselves, at life, and at the general absurdity of the universe, not just in spite of tragedy, but in response to it. The "9/11" issue of the Onion was decried by many as classless and base when it was posted; at the same time it was also considered for a Pulitzer prize.

To me the very fact that The Onion did a story about Eddie Guerrero is some small amount of validation that his death reached beyond the relatively small and insular world of "wrestling" or "sports entertainment" and became part of public consciousness. In other words, it was important enough to satirize.

edit: For the record, I found it quite funny. Perhaps it's because I haven't actually watched any wrestling in a couple of years and don't have the same emotional attachment to the industry or the man. Or maybe I'm just a cheap laugh.


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#11 Posted on 17.11.05 1432.06
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The only reason we're not finding the article funny is that we're wrestling fans, where off the wall antics like we're reading about AREN'T uncommon.

To the world who is looking at it from the outside, they get a giggle at the absurdity of the whole thing ... We're just used to people being buried as part of a gimmick match.
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#12 Posted on 17.11.05 1505.00
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I think we're all missing the big picture here...

THEY PUT IT IN THE SPORTS SECTION! Everywhere I've looked, this has been written up as "entertainment" or "misc." news in thenewspapers, etc.

But to concur with others here... I don't think it was that funny a piece.
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#13 Posted on 17.11.05 1523.07
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KJAMES, Colin Cowherd was merely saying that ESPN shouldn't cover his death because pro wrestling isn't a sport. He also said that his death wouldn't be in the entertainment section of a newspaper because he isn't that widely known and space is money. It wasn't newsworthy in his opinion.

I actually listen to him regularly and have heard the segment, unlike most of these sites who took his show out of context.
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#14 Posted on 17.11.05 1544.02
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    KJAMES, Colin Cowherd was merely saying that ESPN shouldn't cover his death because pro wrestling isn't a sport. He also said that his death wouldn't be in the entertainment section of a newspaper because he isn't that widely known and space is money. It wasn't newsworthy in his opinion.

    I actually listen to him regularly and have heard the segment, unlike most of these sites who took his show out of context.


Thanks for the clarification. We don't get Cowherd's show in Canada.

I have no problem with pro wrestling not being considered a sport (wrestlers are athletes but pro wrestling is NOT a sport), and I really can't object to Cowherd suggesting that Eddie died due to steroid use, because there's probably a lot of truth to that, unfortunately. I was more referring to other comments I read that suggested Cowherd likes to play devil's advocate and says things not because he believes them, but for the sake of riling people up so he can argue with them on-air.
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#15 Posted on 17.11.05 1613.39
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    Originally posted by cfgb
    The only reason we're not finding the article funny is that we're wrestling fans, where off the wall antics like we're reading about AREN'T uncommon.



Hmmm, nope, I'm pretty sure it's just not funny.
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#16 Posted on 17.11.05 2306.16
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    Originally posted by Jackson
      Originally posted by cfgb
      The only reason we're not finding the article funny is that we're wrestling fans, where off the wall antics like we're reading about AREN'T uncommon.



    Hmmm, nope, I'm pretty sure it's just not funny.

While I didn't think it was hilarious, I thought it was fairly funny. The article insinuates that WWE would be so soulless and greedy as to fake a wrestler's death. A non-wrestling fan probably laughs more easily at that kind of joke because he won't take it personally, and it's easy to think of Vince as some sort of carnival swindler. It also makes fun of Undertaker's gimmick which anyone on the outside looking in probably thinks is pretty ridiculous. He's a goddamned returned-to-life biker zombie who's buried his dad(?) and brother something like 14 different times.

I can't make any sort of real "analysis" of why all the comments I'm reading about this article are negative. The only feedback I'm reading is on wrestling message boards, and the majority is negative. If I were reading lots of negative comments on non-wrestling and wrestling boards, there'd be something to compare. But just reading "it wasn't funny" from wrestling fans isn't persuasive. Wrestling fans have shown many times how completely humorless they can be when non-fans say anything critical of wrestling. Matt Hocking rips into wrestling every week, but it's "funny" when he does it. This is just as satirical, but it seems like because it comes from "outsiders!" it's dismissed as having no value. The best value the Onion can get from this piece is satirical humor. So the best way to just dismiss this is say it's not funny.

I'm not saying this was your intent here, Jackson, but that's an attitude I've read in the past whenever wrestling gets parodied or criticized.


EDIT: Point taken and words cut.

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#17 Posted on 17.11.05 2331.17
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...although

    Originally posted by Jeb Tennyson Lund
    Matt Hocking manages to rip into wrestling every week, but it's "funny" when he does it.
What's funny are those quotation marks! LOL
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#18 Posted on 18.11.05 0757.01
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After the phrase "basic funerary-organization skills," I had high hopes for this article. Sadly, it just didn't measure up. I got a chuckle out of Paul Bearer lobbying for a "tasteful cremation" and the line about Eddie's will containing a clause warning future wrestlers that they could be victims of a frog splash from beyond the grave, but that was about it. I personally think parodies are funnier when they have some semblance of truth to them, and all the supposed references in the article to Eddie and the Undertaker feuding did was point out just how inaccurate it all was. Inaccurate probably isn't the word I'm looking for, but hopefully that makes sense. I don't think it was offensive, it just wasn't as funny as it was presumably meant to be. But it all comes down to the fact that humor is subjective. Someone, somewhere thought Tom Green was funny.
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#19 Posted on 18.11.05 1209.02
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Have you ever wondered what would happen if The Undertaker prematurely passed away? After all of his "deaths"--would anyone believe it?? We've already seen him inside a casket, in a graveyard, buried, etc. It would be bizarre. Paul Bearer could do a special "Funeral Parlor" show and it would be almost...fitting.

I've also wondered about a JR tribute show and a highlight video consisting of him in a toga, bringing in fake Diesel and Razor, mananging Dr. Death, kissing his boss' ass, getting set on fire, getting the mandible claw, and having his head pulled out of his ass. Has there ever been a more undignified career in sports entertainment??
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#20 Posted on 18.11.05 1517.48
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    Originally posted by DsTEviLSCA
    I personally think parodies are funnier when they have some semblance of truth to them, and all the supposed references in the article to Eddie and the Undertaker feuding did was point out just how inaccurate it all was.


The joke of the article is that it's reporting Eddie's death as though it were a work to build to a pay-per-view. To that end they have Eddie's funeral arrangements handled with all the outlandishness of a WWE wedding--the whole thing being held on TV, wrestlers performing duties normally assigned to friends or professionals, and shocking plot twists (the piece deliberately fails to conceal that Eddie faked his death and plans to show up at Survivor Series). Starting from that premise, it's more effective to have Eddie "feuding" with Undertaker than any real WWE storylines. The article is aimed at the general public, which has only a cursory knowledge of wrestling and aren't going to notice such details.
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