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#1 Posted on 15.11.05 0931.16
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As the guy who started THIS THREAD it pains me to say this, but the 360... probably not this Christmas.

Which is sad really. My X-Box will cost $80 to fix, and renewing my Live will be another $60 or so.

Not to mention the $400 version of the 360 will include the DVD remote (which I paid for separately for my X-Box) and include a Live subscription.

So why not drop the extra $260 and get it our of the way? Oh I was going to, but then...

THIS. The list of backwards compatible games.

Now granted this is being updated as we speak but at first glance I have only half of my games available.

I have very few games but they're pretty diverse in genre and developer but still only half.

My games (Bold where compatible)
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Halo 2
Jet Set Radio Future
Karaoke Revolution
KOTOR
KOTOR 2

Mech Assault
NBA 2K3
Sega GT
World Series of Poker



So let me get this straight... I drop $400 on a new system, thus not being able to afford any new games, losing my saves and probably the expansions I bought for Karaoke Revolution (not to mention not being able to play the new Karaoke Game if I buy it) and my options are watching DVDs, Halo 2, and motor cycle racing?

Uh... no.

Once a generation every console does something really stupid.
Saturn (bitch to program for)
Playstation (hello load times)
Dreamcast (can't play DVDs)
Jaguar (existing)
64 (cartridges are all you need!)
PS2 (buy the multitap/modem... but we don't have an online network really)
Gamecube (What does "online" mean?)
X-Box (any wrestling game released/buy the DVD remote/Wrestlemania XXI)

And now this. Buy a 360, and play old X-Box games. Just make sure they're shooters. Or recent sports games. Or awful platformers. Or RPGs. Good ones, but ones that take 60 hours to beat. Or utter crap; Fuzion Frenzy I'm looking in YOUR direction.

But pick up and play? Party games?

Well at least they don't support XXI. But then again, neither did the original X-Box without a friggin patch.
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#2 Posted on 15.11.05 0948.11
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How long has your X-Box been busted? It may make sense to forego fixing it and wait until early next year to get a 360, especially if you can wait for the alleged PS3-release-timed price drop.

Are there any XBox games coming out this Christmas that you must have now?


    Jaguar (existing)


Funny!
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#3 Posted on 15.11.05 1025.08
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I'm sure there will be a way to move savegames from the Xbox to the 360. I don't own an Xbox, but if you think about it, would it be hard to connect the Xbox to a 360 using a usb connection, or something like that? If I read correctly, the memory cards for the original Xbox aren't compatible with the 360, which I think is bogus.
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#4 Posted on 15.11.05 1113.34
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It's good to see my copy of Barbie Horse Adventure will still be worth something.
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#5 Posted on 15.11.05 1319.38
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I'm just upset that as of the last time that I looked, neither of my NHL games were supported. What the hell - NHL2k6 or the EA 95 one - you would think that they would have a hocky game past 2002 that works.
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#6 Posted on 15.11.05 1424.25
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    Jaguar (existing)




Ouch!


I'll just add that I thought Fuzion Frenzy was a great party game. With the exception of the actual Frenzy itself (What's the point of winning the minigames if you can just gank other people's points at the end?) all the minigames were quite fun to play.
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#7 Posted on 15.11.05 1637.19
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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    How long has your X-Box been busted? It may make sense to forego fixing it and wait until early next year to get a 360, especially if you can wait for the alleged PS3-release-timed price drop.

    Are there any XBox games coming out this Christmas that you must have now?
But the sad fact is if they don't make my other games playable I'll need another X-Box. Which after the 360, may not be all that more than $80. But... paying the $80 gives me another year of warranty. And I can return to my plan of waiting for the Revolution price drop.

As for must have games, the only ones I can really think of are Gun and THAW. But both those aren't much of a step up from their regular X-Box counterparts.
    Originally posted by Oliver
    I'm sure there will be a way to move savegames from the Xbox to the 360. I don't own an Xbox, but if you think about it, would it be hard to connect the Xbox to a 360 using a usb connection, or something like that? If I read correctly, the memory cards for the original Xbox aren't compatible with the 360, which I think is bogus.
Well it's no more bogus than the PS2's memory card/controller/multitap compatibility mess.

And as far as all the press releases have said, my saved games are doomed. Of course, if I send in the ol' X for repair, my saved games are not guaranteed to come back.

Hello rock, hello hard place.
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#8 Posted on 15.11.05 2250.47
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It could be worse. People in Europe are getting a lot fewer games being compatable, and people in Japan are only getting *11* games that will work with the 360.

I see Microsoft's decided to really put out an effort to crack that market this time around.


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#9 Posted on 16.11.05 0835.37
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Hard to believe the Madden games weren't on this list.
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#10 Posted on 16.11.05 1157.55
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I'd imagine they're banking on Madden 360 to be a system seller, so I could see why they wouldn't make '06 compatible.
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#11 Posted on 16.11.05 1451.56
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    Originally posted by Battlezone
    I'd imagine they're banking on Madden 360 to be a system seller, so I could see why they wouldn't make '06 compatible.


Which I think is a shame, since it has no owner mode and no mini-camp stuff. I'd much rather play the real version, not a stripped down port for a new system.
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#12 Posted on 16.11.05 1621.34
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Jaguar's TEMPEST game was what made me buy that system.

It died on me when my exwife threw it out the car window... on the interstate.

Damn women!
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#13 Posted on 16.11.05 2139.58
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I'm not convinced as in there's no way in hell I'm dropping 400 dollars on ANY system, but I'll get it eventually.

I learned my lesson. After buying a Dreamcast morning of launch and an XBox at MIDNIGHT launch, and then seeing both of them significantly price drop in less than 6 months, well, patience pays off.

Get the premium system down to 300 bucks and the core down to 200-250, then you're talking. I want this system to succeed since the XBox was my system of choice for the current generation, but at the same time I sure as hell won't show blind loyalty to a company who is screwing up big time.

There are zero launch titles that grab me here, and the fact that there has been next to NO hype for Perfect Dark Zero (their supposed system-selling monster) with the console out in a week is troublesome. PGR3 is apparently just PGR2 with nicer graphics. NBA2k6 seems to be almost exactly the same as the XBox/PS2 versions aside from the player models. EA offerings like Madden and Tiger Woods actually removed features present in the current console versions. Amped was never that great of a series and it looks to continue the tradition here. Call of Duty 2 seems ok, but it's still a PC port and WWII games have been done to death. King Kong sucked ass (anyone else played the demo?). We fill it out with Kameo (supposedly decent, but not something to start off the console with a bang) and some other racers that will likely just get buried under PGR3 (NFS Most Wanted, Ridge Racer 6). Not the most exciting lineup in the world. Plenty of games, but where's their Super Mario Bros.? Their Soul Calibur? Their Halo?

Oh, not until the PS3 comes out. How nice.

Yeah, the games look great...if you have an HDTV. Those are still far too expensive for most consumers to get the most out of this system. Asking the consumer to drop 400 bucks for the system, 50-60 bucks for just one game, AND have a fast broadband connection/router, AND have an HDTV to "see the games properly" is really pushing it. God bless you if you can afford it, but I have no problem waiting until the price is reasonable...hell, I still have Forza Motorsport and MGS2 Substance unopened on my shelf of XBox games.
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#14 Posted on 16.11.05 2249.03
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Forza, unopened?! Get to it man! There's cars to be raced!


It's a lot of fun if you like Sim racers. Or just making amazing paintjobs for virtual cars.
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#15 Posted on 19.11.05 2356.03
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We got us another case of the early-run blues. Multiple winners in the every10minutes Mountain Dew contest are claiming they got defective 360's. This launch could wind up being a pretty big debacle if this is an indication of things to come.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=461074

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=461073
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#16 Posted on 20.11.05 0134.30
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Boy I sure hope this is only happening with the free 360's coming from that Pepsi promotion. My brother-in-law and I are getting one on Tuesday (working at Target will finally get me a perk), so I hope this stuff works. If this is widespread, there will be Hell to pay.
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#17 Posted on 20.11.05 1012.51
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I won a free 360 from Pepsi. It is the swank $400 version, and for the record I've had no problems with it yet. Pepsi/Microsoft were even goodly enough to throw in an additional free game (Kameo: Elements of Power). My only gripe is that they also promised me Madden 06, and it won't be shipped to me for another 2 weeks.
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#18 Posted on 21.11.05 0919.24
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Not to digress (too much), but with all the flaming going on in at least the first thread, it really makes you appreciate the moderators of The W that much more, because they wouldn't put up with flame wars for one second. I can't tell you how many boards I've been to that are populated by trolls and people just looking to start fights.

Back on topic for a moment. If this is a sign that all or most of the X-Bok Super Swank Edition kits are defective, talk about bad PR. Obviously Microsoft will have to repair each one, and eventually the problem will be solved, but it might scare off potential new customers for a little while.
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#19 Posted on 21.11.05 0934.54
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Obviously Microsoft will have to repair each one, and eventually the problem will be solved, but it might scare off potential new customers for a little while.


If someone is already committed to getting one despite the reported shortages and the $300+ price tag, I would think that it would take more than a few bad consoles to scare you off. Even if Kameo is the greatest game ever made, I would have to think more people are buying it now just to be able to say "I have a 360!!!" as opposed to actually enjoying the gameplay/graphics, and to that extent, MS could ship them a hollowed out plastic shell and it would suffice for the time being.
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#20 Posted on 22.11.05 0824.01
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    Jaguar's TEMPEST game was what made me buy that system.


Tempest 2000 remains a perfectly good justification for owning a Jaguar. Very little that Jeff Minter touches isn't gold (apart from farm animals, but Minter's personality quirks are fodder for some other thread).

I've never been an advocate of early console adoption, as prices are high and games are generally iffy until the second or third wave arrives. (My exception that proves the rule is the Dreamcast, which had a fairly strong launch but then had little else for the next 6-8 months.)
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