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#61 Posted on 10.11.05 1548.10
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    And because you don't know what kind of restrictions WWE put on his all-important MOVES.


And that goes both ways. We don't know how much he was held back and how much we saw all he had to display.

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong and hoping to be surprised. I know he can be competent (I can't recall anyone being hurt working against him), but he's gonna have to really work to outshine the guys already there.

I'll even tell you how I'd book him: Have him replace Zybyzsko. He'd get lost in the midcard by placing him with Team Canada, and I have big fears he's going to be a quick foil for Kip James. Making him commish gives him the mic and lets him run in the ring to dispense Unprettiers (which needs a new name, btw).

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#62 Posted on 10.11.05 1652.19
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    Originally posted by britishiles
    OK...I stand corrected, to a point.

    In the midst of a feud, the heel gets cheered and the face gets booed. Vinnie Mac puts the kibosh on that feud pretty quick.




Yeah it seems that the WWE "listens" to its fans is a bunch of BS now, even moreso now that there's no real competition.

There was a thing I read in the Observer talking about how Vince was furious at Coach for pointing out on RAW that Angle was getting cheers and Cena was getting booed. In the least it means the fans want a title change already. At the most it means Cena is getting old and needs to go heel, hell its been like that since Christian and against Michaels as well.
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#63 Posted on 10.11.05 1746.27
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Good point by redsoxnation about Christian = Hall, like someone has already said, it works if there is somebody like a Nash in coming in. Benoit is a great wrestler and all, but he's no Nash when it comes to cutting a promo, which was a large part of the nWo angle, now if they could get Jericho that would be perfect.

dMp - good idea about Christian coming in all cocky, calling himself Mr. TNA, but unforunately that gimmick has already been taken. Their best heel IMO, Christopher Daniels has been calling himself Mr. TNA for months now.

Really though, I think most of the heavyweight/tag teams have characters. Jarrett, Rhino, AMW, Dudleys, 3 Live Kru, Monty, Abyss, Sabu, even Diamonds in the Rough. Yeah not many of the X Division guys have characters but I can't remember them really getting a chance, other than AJ and Petey who are both ALRIGHT. Does anybody here definitively know if Bentley, Sabin, Strong, Aries, and Shelley can or can't talk? Or are they just not given the chance they should?

sentonBOMB - about flipping through the channels and coming across Christian. That's actually exactly how I started watching WCW, I was flipping through the channels and there was Razor Ramon, I watched WCW all the way until the end after that. The only problem is that WCW at the time had a show airing at the same time as WWE, so wrestling fans were watching tv and flipping channels. I'm not sure how many wrestling fans are flipping channels at 10 pm on a Saturday, hopefull there is a lot.

britishiles - I think you still have an argument to a point. While guys like Eddie, Batista, etc got turned face because of the huge support, I don't think any of them were up against a face that was getting pushed as hard as Cena. So yes, sometimes Vince does listen to the fans, but it depends how important the other guy is.


Bottom line on the whole Christian thing is this, some people in this thread have said they will go out of their way to watch TNA now, I don't think they are the only Christian fans out there either. So isn't this atleast bringing in SOME fans? Shouldn't a company this small be happy with whatever amount of new viewers they can get?

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#64 Posted on 10.11.05 1800.39
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Chris Jericho (chrisjericho.com) would like us to believe that maybe someone else is coming to Genesis instead!

(Of course, he's played this prank before.)

(Of course, maybe because we're all expecting it to be another hoax this time it's a DOUBLE SWERVE!!!)

--K

Edit: link fixin'


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#65 Posted on 10.11.05 2355.45
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I just hope Christian comes in and makes fun of the stupid TNA ring.

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#66 Posted on 11.11.05 0236.42
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Good point by redsoxnation about Christian = Hall, like someone has already said, it works if there is somebody like a Nash in coming in. Benoit is a great wrestler and all, but he's no Nash when it comes to cutting a promo, which was a large part of the nWo angle, now if they could get Jericho that would be perfect.

    dMp - good idea about Christian coming in all cocky, calling himself Mr. TNA, but unforunately that gimmick has already been taken. Their best heel IMO, Christopher Daniels has been calling himself Mr. TNA for months now.



"Now Chris Daniels, the falling angel, you call yourself Mr. TNA? Take a look at me! I am Captain Charisma! There is only one person who can call himself the number one man in any organisation and that is me. And even though you people have this ring all wrong, I am the man around here and I will prove it. I am the real Mr. TNA!"

Imo Daniels is not really a heel. People wouldn't mind cheering him I think if they did something like this.

As for the Benoit - Nash comparison.. Benoit doesn't have to be the talker that Nash was/is.
Imagine CHristian getting his ass whooped by a party of TNA guys because he is invading their territory. He leaves the ring, claims he has backup. Next week the same gang threatens him, in runs Benoit, suplexes for all. Instant OMG moment. Benoit doesn't need to talk. Just destroy people (and eventually get into a feud with Samoa Joe)
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#67 Posted on 11.11.05 0655.28
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Do we *really* need to start creaming ourselves over the possibility of Benoit in a TNA ring? If he's gonna leave-which is pretty unlikely in the first place-then the issue would surely be the lowball contract he's been offered, so why would he sign for a company that could pay him even less?

I hope Christian does exceptionally well in TNA. God knows they need someone who can bring some star charisma to proceedings, and if he manages to jumpstart them on the road to bigger things then maybe Vince'll get his head of ass and start booking properly again.
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#68 Posted on 11.11.05 0804.47
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    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    so why would he sign for a company that could pay him even less?

I dunno, I've heard Panda has some pretty deep pockets. Possibly deeper than Vince's. Theoretically, they could pay him as much, or close to, what he's making in the WWE. Maybe somebody like J-Sharp (my new nickname for Shapiro, feel free to steal that) can confirm that?

Whether they WOULD is another story, but I definitely think they COULD.
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#69 Posted on 11.11.05 1026.51
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I can see your point, but Benoit's predicament is worlds different to Christian's. Benoit's never been shy about stating his lack of ego within the biz, and that he's happy just to be earning decent coin and wrestling good matches. Christian, rightfully so considering his abilities, has higher goals. If Benoit WERE to leave the E, and I suppose it is a possibility, I find it much more likely that he'd depart for Japan, where he'd have ***** matches up to his ears and more cold hard cash than likely either company could offer him.
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#70 Posted on 11.11.05 1121.41
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      so why would he sign for a company that could pay him even less?

    I dunno, I've heard Panda has some pretty deep pockets. Possibly deeper than Vince's. Theoretically, they could pay him as much, or close to, what he's making in the WWE. Maybe somebody like J-Sharp (my new nickname for Shapiro, feel free to steal that) can confirm that?

    Whether they WOULD is another story, but I definitely think they COULD.


There's another facet to TNA contracts, in that he'd be free to work Japan and the Indies as well. That certainly would help make up any difference between the alleged lowball offers from WWE and a TNA deal.
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#71 Posted on 11.11.05 1311.19
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Bottom line, Christian is in TNA and it is better to have him there than to have him not wrestling at all.

I think he will excel there if JJ gives him a fair shot. If not, then I see him leaving after a month or two and working the Indies or japan.
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#72 Posted on 11.11.05 1526.27
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    Originally posted by Space Manspiff
    I dunno, I've heard Panda has some pretty deep pockets. Possibly deeper than Vince's. Theoretically, they could pay him as much, or close to, what he's making in the WWE. Maybe somebody like J-Sharp (my new nickname for Shapiro, feel free to steal that) can confirm that? Whether they WOULD is another story, but I definitely think they COULD.


Oh man, I'm J-Sharp.

You've pretty much said all there is to say. Panda is loaded, and if the right guy came along, they could break the bank for him. Now, TNA lost out in their negotiations with Mick Foley when Vince threw a gigantic amount of money at him (and some other persuasive things).

However, that all took place before the show on Spike had started and before they knew what kind of encouragement they'd be getting from the network. So perhaps now that the investors know they're closer than ever before to having a chance at making TNA profitable, they'd be more willing to pony up in the next bidding war than they were for Foley during a time of uncertainty.

The hypothetical bank-breaking might apply more to attaining someone like Brock Lesnar than it would Chris Benoit, but "TNA can't pay Superstar X what WWE can" is not really valid. They can, but whether they would remains to be seen.

    Originally posted by HairRazor
    There's another facet to TNA contracts, in that he'd be free to work Japan and the Indies as well. That certainly would help make up any difference between the alleged lowball offers from WWE and a TNA deal.


That's another good point. Also, in TNA you only work, what, three dates a month? Again, the personal freedom and easier schedule might not apply to Benoit as much as it would some other people.
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#73 Posted on 11.11.05 1545.42
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Again, Jeff Jarrett does not book or run TNA in any capacity. He is not an owner - just a wrestler. He has no political power - only friendships with most of the people there, who he helped bring aboard. At the end of the day, Scott D'Amore and Mike Tenay are still the bookers.

Jarrett doesn't affect Christian. Period.

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#74 Posted on 11.11.05 1551.40
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    Originally posted by chill
    Again, Jeff Jarrett does not book or run TNA in any capacity. He is not an owner - just a wrestler. He has no political power - only friendships with most of the people there, who he helped bring aboard. At the end of the day, Scott D'Amore and Mike Tenay are still the bookers.

    Jarrett doesn't affect Christian. Period.




So then you think that Jeff Jarrett is a five time NWA Champion because he has been the best wrestler and only viable option in TNA for three years? It seems sort of ludicrous to suggest that TNA's entire existence up to and including the present has revolved around Jarrett but that he doesn't have any say in the company. That whole argument could have been made in regard to Hulk Hogan. He never owned WWF or WCW, but he always got what he wanted regardless of that fact.
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#75 Posted on 11.11.05 1552.07
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    Originally posted by chill
    Jarrett doesn't affect Christian. Period.
I just want to remember where this quote is later, thanks
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#76 Posted on 11.11.05 1624.33
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Perhaps the one thing you guys are overlooking when you talk about Benoit coming in to after being low-balled by Vince, is the fact that he's in his 40s and has a young child. The prospect of not being on the road as much and still making a decent living at the same time might be an attractive alternative to 240 dates a year with the WWE.

As for Daniels, I dont see how he can be the number one heel when every time he is on tv, I fall asleep. The man is boring in the ring, boring on the mic and not physically intimidating at all.

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#77 Posted on 11.11.05 1649.29
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What Christian is doing reminds me a little of what Raven did whe he left WCW somewhat paving the way for the Radicalz to make their move out of the company. I can see history repeating itself.

I'd be more excited to see RVD join up with TNA. He could reteam with Alphonso, bust out more of his spot moves and although he isn't much of a worker the crowds just love to pop for the guy making his matches more exciting.

If nothing else it makes the net a little more interesting.

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#78 Posted on 11.11.05 1736.17
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    The hypothetical bank-breaking might apply more to attaining someone like Brock Lesnar than it would Chris Benoit, but "TNA can't pay Superstar X what WWE can" is not really valid. They can, but whether they would remains to be seen.








Due to age and potential, I could understand Lesnar being the large target for TNA to go after to prove they can play in the same league as Vince. However, a large offer to Benoit could be interpreted as a signal that Panda is serious about building up the company, and further pave the road for Lesnar. From the larger picture viewpoint: Christian provides credibility that someone would take an offer from Panda even though Vince did offer a contract. That makes them more than just a bunch of 'indy guys' and WWF/WCW castoffs. Should Benoit and/or Jericho appear, that would be a top card former champion who would reject the McMahon's for Panda. Then, throw in Lesnar, and you have a young guy Vince pushed to the moon and all of a sudden not only is TNA viable, but they could be considered a threat and probably would be in line for a real time slot. Now, the bunch of 'indy guys' get in the ring with the name guys, and they become credible to the new fans that could flow to the company.
Funny thing would be if Vince's attempt to save a few bucks by lowballing guys ends up costing him much more money in the long term having to fight a promotional war. Of course, if no one joins Christian and TNA flounder, then, look for the lowball offers to multiply.
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#79 Posted on 11.11.05 1827.30
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
      Originally posted by chill
      Again, Jeff Jarrett does not book or run TNA in any capacity. He is not an owner - just a wrestler. He has no political power - only friendships with most of the people there, who he helped bring aboard. At the end of the day, Scott D'Amore and Mike Tenay are still the bookers.

      Jarrett doesn't affect Christian. Period.




    So then you think that Jeff Jarrett is a five time NWA Champion because he has been the best wrestler and only viable option in TNA for three years? It seems sort of ludicrous to suggest that TNA's entire existence up to and including the present has revolved around Jarrett but that he doesn't have any say in the company. That whole argument could have been made in regard to Hulk Hogan. He never owned WWF or WCW, but he always got what he wanted regardless of that fact.

Well, to be fair, Jarrett AT ONE TIME had a hand in ownership and booking, which could explain his many title reigns. But his latest one was because SpikeTV wanted him as champ, not because he himself made the choice.

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