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#21 Posted on 9.11.05 0721.40
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There's always the Asian version: Chris Chen. :P
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#22 Posted on 9.11.05 0737.36
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    Originally posted by Jericholic53
    There's always the Asian version: Chris Chen. :P


Wow, that's actually a very clever way to get around the legal stuff and have him keep his name. When said out loud, it's hard to tell "Christian" from "Chris Chen".

He could always go for the comedy of "delusional wrestler who thinks he's Asian", but that could get old pretty quick.
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#23 Posted on 9.11.05 0738.58
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Maybe this has already been suggested somewhere, but if Christian's role on the PPV is to pretend to feud, then team with, Jeff Jarrett, I think I will give up on TNA for good.

If it's him... the guy needs to start like he owns the place, and TNA needs to promote it as such (and judging by the press release, they're on the right track at least).

Watch it end up being Test or A-Train now...
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#24 Posted on 9.11.05 0811.08
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I understand the importance of hype, but would even we stipulate that Christian is "the single biggest jump in TNA history?"

Really? Christian?
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#25 Posted on 9.11.05 0828.10
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He also applied for a patent for Captain Charisma
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#26 Posted on 9.11.05 0933.14
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    Originally posted by britishiles
    He also applied for a patent for Captain Charisma

Bulldog, if you haven't already you'd better get the patent for "Chris Tian" ASAP.
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#27 Posted on 9.11.05 0941.30
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I understand the importance of hype, but would even we stipulate that Christian is "the single biggest jump in TNA history?"

    Really? Christian?


Can you name a bigger one? Of a person actually 'jumping' (showing up withing a week or two after his contract ended)

This could be great news for a guy like AJ Styles. Christian can set up the feud with a few promos and AJ can look upset, and the matches should be great.

They need to make him the cocky assholish captain charisma he was a few months ago when he was so heelish that he was a face almost.
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#28 Posted on 9.11.05 0945.21
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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
        Originally posted by CRZ
        "DESIGNING WOMEN" WAS A FICTIONAL TELEVISION SHOW.


      Dixie Carter WAS one of the stars of"Designing Women." She was on "Diff'rent Strokes," too.

      (edited by JayJayDean on 8.11.05 2018)
    Nonetheless, it was a fictional television show! So WHAT if I can't remember which name is the character and which name is the actress portraying her

    ------

    Her name in the show was Julia Sugarbaker. Charlene was her sister (Delta Burke). Mary Joe Shively was played by Annie Potts. Charlene Frazier was played by Jean Smart. And of course, Anthony Bouvier was played my Meshach Taylor. This is officially the exact time I lose my hood pass.....
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#29 Posted on 9.11.05 0957.01
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    Originally posted by dMp
    Can you name a bigger one? Of a person actually 'jumping' (showing up withing a week or two after his contract ended)


What about Lesnar? Does that constitute "jumping?" How about Steve Austin? The Rock?

Anyways, when your biggest jump is a mid-carder mostly for life, you really send the wrong message to the TNA fanbase. "Look, a guy who never rose to main event status in the WWE in many years of work is going to be pushed into our main event right away." This says more for the WWE than it does for TNA right?

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#30 Posted on 9.11.05 0959.07
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They signed Rhino and pushed him to the NWA World Title. He was relegated to mid-card when he entered WWE.
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#31 Posted on 9.11.05 1110.20
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    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    What about Lesnar? Does that constitute "jumping?" How about Steve Austin? The Rock?


None of those guys jumped to TNA after just being in WWE. None of those guys are working for TNA either.


    Anyways, when your biggest jump is a mid-carder mostly for life, you really send the wrong message to the TNA fanbase. "Look, a guy who never rose to main event status in the WWE in many years of work is going to be pushed into our main event right away." This says more for the WWE than it does for TNA right?




There's no doubt in my mind that Christian should've been a main eventer by now in the WWE. They even teased a main event push for Christian earlier this year than they pretty much aborted it. UN-creative wouldn't get behind Christian. Apparently they fired all these people because they weren't working hard enough to get over. Well no one can argue that Christian wasn't. Despite never getting that strong of a push, and mostly jobbing in big matches, Christian became one of the most over personalities on the roster.

Also, its just like Benoit, Jericho, Eddie etc. Guys who always should've been main eventers in WCW but were never given the chance. They never rose to main event status in WCW either. So I don't feel its a valid argument.

I think if it is Christian, it is a HUGE signing for them. Christian is a 3 time IC champion, a former european, hardcore, and light-heavyweight champion, and he was one half of one of WWE's best and most prolific tag teams ever. They held the tag titles many times and competed in what are considered to be numerous match of the year candidates.

Christian was also a prolific and long-running personality in WWE. He was a big merchandise seller. This is TNA's biggest signing from a former WWE guy I'd say.
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#32 Posted on 9.11.05 1115.22
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    Originally posted by whatever
      Originally posted by britishiles
      He also applied for a patent for Captain Charisma

    Bulldog, if you haven't already you'd better get the patent for "Chris Tian" ASAP.


Come on, man. That one is MINE!

Besides, This Guy (artists.iuma.com) already owns it, sadly.
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#33 Posted on 9.11.05 1344.45
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    Originally posted by Matt
    I understand the importance of hype, but would even we stipulate that Christian is "the single biggest jump in TNA history?"

    Really? Christian?


Isn't he the single singlest jump in TNA history? Everyone else they've ever picked up had been let go by WWE, except for Hulk Hogan, who quit WWE and then briefly pretended to jump to TNA. Even counting a discarded guy as a jumper, Christian is a bigger deal than the likes of Raven, Jeff Hardy, Rhyno, Dudleys, and the washed up Kevin Nash and Scott Hall no one cared about anymore.
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#34 Posted on 9.11.05 1354.43
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Matt
      I understand the importance of hype, but would even we stipulate that Christian is "the single biggest jump in TNA history?"

      Really? Christian?


    Isn't he the single singlest jump in TNA history? Everyone else they've ever picked up had been let go by WWE, except for Hulk Hogan, who quit WWE and then briefly pretended to jump to TNA. Even counting a discarded guy as a jumper, Christian is a bigger deal than the likes of Raven, Jeff Hardy, Rhyno, Dudleys, and the washed up Kevin Nash and Scott Hall no one cared about anymore.


In all honesty though, as much as I and others on this board like Christian he's nowhere near as recognizable to the casual fan as the Dudleyz are. However, when considering the layover between the last time the Dudleyz were active on the WWE roster (not counting their appearance on One Night Stand) and their arrival in TNA, Christian might be a more impactful jump simply because of timing.

On a side note, I can't help but feel that it would've been a better idea for TNA to let the news of Christian arriving in TNA leak from the next Impact spoilers rather than just throwing it up on their site. It sort of takes away from the shock value of it, especially for people who don't follow Meltzer and others.

Edit - thanks, thecubsfan. For some reason I was under the impression that Genesis was occurring later this month, rather than this coming Sunday, and somehow missed the mention of the "major signing" appearing at the pay-per-view in the original article. I'm a doof.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 9.11.05 1509)
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#35 Posted on 9.11.05 1405.55
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The next Impact! taping is after the PPV (this weekend's Impact has already been taped, though they might be able to edit something in last minute). Since whatever they can do on the show is going to be minimal, the press release is a suppliment, trying to get people to buy the show to see Christian.

They don't make any extra money if Christian debuts on Impact and they figure they can make extra money if Christian debuts on a PPV - but only if people know about it, and with an already taped Impact, they gotta try other methods.
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#36 Posted on 9.11.05 1436.32
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    Originally posted by the Deputy
    In all honesty though, as much as I and others on this board like Christian he's nowhere near as recognizable to the casual fan as the Dudleyz are. ... Christian might be a more impactful jump simply because of timing.


I would agree that, yeah. The Dudley package has more starpower than Christian at the time, but as you said, I would give Christian the nod because he'll come immediately from WWE TV, and because his upside is much, much bigger than the Dudleys', whose act plateaus as "the Dudleys the great tag team."

Christian also has big time intangible value for what he represents as the quintessential mascot for everyone suffering from what's wrong with WWE and wanting an alternative. Matt Hardy would've represented the same things for TNA as another guy whose push never equated to his popularity (and continues to, unfortunately). He also had more momentum and a better story thanks to the circumstances behind his firing, but Christian has more overall value as a performer, IMO. Really, the only two guys who could be better such symbolic arrivals would be Chris Jericho or Rob Van Dam (but w/ Paul Heyman to do the mother of all "Fuck Those Guys" promos).

(edited by JustinShapiro on 9.11.05 1546)
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#37 Posted on 9.11.05 1436.33
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I understand the importance of hype, but would even we stipulate that Christian is "the single biggest jump in TNA history?"

    Really? Christian?


Jarrett, Nash, Savage, and Page didn't really "jump" from anywhere when they came to TNA. The people who have jumped have come from less prominent promotions or have been even lower on the WWE midcard than Christian. If he'd gone to TNA in 2004 I wouldn't be so sure about that, but the brief push he got this year put him head and shoulders above anyone else who's made the WWE-to-TNA jump. TNA has some WWE guys who peaked years ago in WWE (Billy Gunn) and they have some guys who left WWE before ever coming near their peak (Rhino). Christian is someone who's starting to hit his peak right now, so signing him right now is a fairly big deal for TNA.

    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    Anyways, when your biggest jump is a mid-carder mostly for life, you really send the wrong message to the TNA fanbase. "Look, a guy who never rose to main event status in the WWE in many years of work is going to be pushed into our main event right away." This says more for the WWE than it does for TNA right?


They're not saying this is the biggest jump to TNA forever--past, present, and future. They're saying it's the biggest jump so far. The message it sends, I think, is "The stars coming to TNA are only getting bigger and better." The implication is that it's only a matter of time before TNA snags a WWE main eventer.

Now, Christian was never more than a midcarder in WWE and will most likely be a main eventer in TNA. But that's the way things work in wrestling--midcarders either stay in the midcard, work until they get elevated to the topcard, or find somewhere else to go and get elevated there. If TNA doesn't add anyone to their main event level until they can sign a former WWE champion, then a) they're in for a long wait and b) they'll have nothing but broken down superstars who gave their best years to WWE and don't have much left for TNA. TNA can't wait for the Rock or John Cena to come to them; they're gonna have to make their own Rocks and Cenas, and Christian's not a bad place to start.

The big shifts in wrestling wars happen because one promotion underestimated a guy who then jumped to another promotion and became a mega-star. The WWF only had Hogan because the AWA didn't know what they had in him; WCW only had the NWO because Vince didn't think to try it when he had Hall and Nash; and the WWF only became a billion-dollar company because WCW didn't see any potential in Stunning Steve Austin, Terra Ryzin, and Cactus Jack. I'm not saying Christian is destined to be added to that list, but I don't think TNA is crazy to talk about him like he could be.
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#38 Posted on 9.11.05 1447.16
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    Originally posted by Jim Smith
    They're not saying this is the biggest jump to TNA forever--past, present, and future. They're saying it's the biggest jump so far. The message it sends, I think, is "The stars coming to TNA are only getting bigger and better." The implication is that it's only a matter of time before TNA snags a WWE main eventer.


All that does is cement the notion that they want to recycle discards than create new stars. If they were to push a Samoa Joe or re-elevate a Styles, they wouldn't have to wait to get a WWE main-eventer. Monty's on the way and Abyss is on the way. It might be great for us -- the hyper-analytical wrestling fans -- to see castoffs make money and stay active. But they're balancing some great indy acquisitions with more famous names moving down to a 300-seat arena where Jeff Jarrett rules the roost.
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#39 Posted on 9.11.05 1516.02
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I would agree if we were talking about some preposterous reach where an also-ran was being pushed to the top, like if they made Rhyno the NWA World Champion or something stupid like that. But Christian was neither cast off nor discarded, and he's wildly talented. Much more talented than Monty Brown and Abyss. Not pushing Christian to the full extent of his abilities just because he came from WWE's upper midcard would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or heel.
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#40 Posted on 9.11.05 1535.56
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Jim Smith
      They're not saying this is the biggest jump to TNA forever--past, present, and future. They're saying it's the biggest jump so far. The message it sends, I think, is "The stars coming to TNA are only getting bigger and better." The implication is that it's only a matter of time before TNA snags a WWE main eventer.


    All that does is cement the notion that they want to recycle discards than create new stars. If they were to push a Samoa Joe or re-elevate a Styles, they wouldn't have to wait to get a WWE main-eventer. Monty's on the way and Abyss is on the way. It might be great for us -- the hyper-analytical wrestling fans -- to see castoffs make money and stay active. But they're balancing some great indy acquisitions with more famous names moving down to a 300-seat arena where Jeff Jarrett rules the roost.


I think the key is that it shouldn't be a question of pushing Christian (and anyone else similar to him) over Samoa Joe or Monty Brown, but rather a question of pushing Christian over Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, and Billy Gunn for instance. They need to push their own homegrown guys, obviously, but they can still push former WWE employees as long as they aren't just castoffs with no upside for the company - see Page, Savage, Jarrett, et al.
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