#1 Posted on 28.10.05 1220.23 Reposted on: 28.10.12 1221.13
By all means, if you want to watch an out-and-out slaughter, please to be turning to this week's CPS on Bravo. Witness Dule Hill wipe out the clearly outgunned opponents: an unlucky Kathleen Madigan, a shy Bill Brochtrup, a game but unskilled Kelli Williams, and charimsatic black hole Carlos Bernard. Dule knocks them off in clockwise from his table position (the dealer's immediate left).
He didn't lose ONE HAND. Yes, he folded a few, but when pushed head-to-head to the end of the river, he won each time. All except for the last hand, he begged his opponents to fold instead of risking elimination on the final card, and each time they thought him bluffing and lost. When the two-player heads-up situation emerged, he had $45,000 against Madigan's $5,000, and she was dealt pure crap until she snagged an A-3. Of course he got an A-K. She was dead from the get-go.
Whoever put this table together did a lousy job. It was Dule's third time on the show, and he's too good to compete against this lack of experience. Poor Bill sat out every hand for the first hour, finally played a hand (to a standing ovation lead by Dule) and was eliminated by the time the river dealt a heart flush versus his lowly pair.
I somehow missed the Malcolm-Jamal Warner destruction of his table, but this show smacked of a big fish swallowing minnows. Not that Dule was a bad winner, but he was obviously sitting with the wrong crowd and couldn't contain his glee as the show progressed.
It's not a fun episode to watch, but it's a textbook case of Too Good versus Too New.
And was anyone else expecting Richard Belzer and Dule to play the same table? This week's commercials seemed to suggest that heavily.
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#2 Posted on 28.10.05 1258.03 Reposted on: 28.10.12 1259.01
See, I thought this show was A LOT of fun. Dule made the right moves, and the other players showed time after time that consistent patterns of timidity and NEVER betting aggressively will let the other guy win every time. There were so many hands that shouldn't have gone to the river but Dule could never fold because he was ALWAYS given good pot odds.
If we learn nothing else: IF YOU HAVE THREE KINGS, DON'T WAIT FOR THE OTHER GUY TO COMPLETE HIS STRAIGHT!!!
Almost every (if not every, I've already forgotten) bust-out hand could have ended earlier and differently with a higher bet to Dule.
The other thing I like about last night was they did a lot of long stretches of play - you don't have to edit as much when the game's shorter, obviously, but it was nice to see more hands of everybody folding because that's just how real tourneys are a lot of time.
As for the promos, they've alternated between promos mixing folks from ALL the shows along with (usually showing four of five of) the next group.
Since I wasn't here to talk about last week's show, let me just say that watching Gina Gershon progressively remove layers of clothing as the game went on was fine television, but it's a pity she didn't last just a few hands longer because one more undone button would have been GREAT. On the other hand, I'm glad the big ol' Texan won especially when Phil started bitching about him going to the "Colin Quinn school of poker playing" - gee, Colin got to the championship table with that style, and it worked for Barry. I should also point out that Phil's kvetching really conflicts with the "any two cards can win!" mentality he was hoping anyone not named Dule might pick up during the later stages of the game.
This series of games has exceeded my expectations so far - I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm actually optimistic about next week's crew!
#3 Posted on 28.10.05 1310.48 Reposted on: 28.10.12 1311.28
Originally posted by CRZSee, I thought this show was A LOT of fun.
Let me clarify. It's always interesting to watch poker with the commentators reacting live (unlike Normand Chad throwing out horrible one-liners over taped hands on ESPN). But this wasn't a fun group of players. Madigan just wasn't funny. Carlos seemed to be angry over his luck, Bill took the loss way too seriously, and Kelli's energy was oddly restrained. There was not a fun communal vibe, but Dule was a shining star of gleeful confidence. And we can't hate West Wing's Charlie, not when we suspect the final episode will feature a future President Charlie reflecting on his assistant gigs.
Originally posted by CRZOn the other hand, I'm glad the big ol' Texan won especially when Phil started bitching about him going to the "Colin Quinn school of poker playing" - gee, Colin got to the championship table with that style, and it worked for Barry.
And that table's last hand (a river trips three beats Gina's, what, pair? No, not THAT pair.) was a BRUTAL loss for Gershon. But I love that lug, so I hope he and Dule butt heads well in the championship round.
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