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#21 Posted on 7.10.05 0030.48
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Moving JR is not "shaking up RAW", or anything close to it. Changing the set would be shaking it up, like with separate ramps for heels and faces for example. Dropping the whole "these guys came to work with no planned matches and made their own on the spot" aspect would be nice too. Not pushing Cena as Stone Cold 2K5 would be shaking things up. Firing comedy writers who failed at such pop culture tripe as The Single Guy would be sweet too. This is just window dressing, not coming within a country mile of addressing what is really wrong with their programming.

The commentary is only relevant if it's really, really bad or the product is really bad. In late '98/'99, when Cole replaced JR, it was still a very watchable show because of how over most of their guys were. They had the first ME Austin V.S. Rock feud to promote for God sake. Mongo couldn't have screwed that up. Losing Ross didn't cause a bit of harm then. However, during the hellagay Bischoff V.S. Austin feud in 2003, which featured much shuffling of the announce team, both the product AND the commentary were very, very, horrifyingly, still-giving-me-nightmares bad. JR was a godsend then.

The product is still a far cry from consistently good, so it is going to be interesting to see whether or not this UFC guy sucks horribly. But even if he's Howard fuckin' Cosell he will be stinkily and hotly and wetily shat upon by the fans if there is even the subtlest hint that his opportunity was born out of any sort of "fuck you" to JR.
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#22 Posted on 7.10.05 0707.00
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Matt
      The Lawler/Ross team, as I've mentioned before, is much too old for a company talking to the key male demographic.


    Wait, who was calling Raw in 1999 and how old were they?


First or second hour? lol
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#23 Posted on 7.10.05 0813.19
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Wait, who was calling Raw in 1999 and how old were they?


Please, sir, you're not going to tell me that Lawler and Ross were any way responsible for the Attitude success. How quickly did "puppies" get old? Two seconds? Three?
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#24 Posted on 7.10.05 0935.53
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To me, JIM ROSS was a fantastic play-by-play announcer. Maybe the best in the history of the business. His voice, even keel, and enthusiasm greatly added to the excitment & realism of so many matches.

But alas, GOOD OL' J.R. was irritating, stale, and condescending.

Since JIM ROSS hasn't been announcing in years, I'm not at all sad to see GOOD OL' J.R. get the heave-ho.
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#25 Posted on 7.10.05 0939.16
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    Originally posted by rv581
    To me, JIM ROSS was a fantastic play-by-play announcer. Maybe the best in the history of the business. His voice, even keel, and enthusiasm greatly added to the excitment & realism of so many matches.

    But alas, GOOD OL' J.R. was irritating, stale, and condescending.

    Since JIM ROSS hasn't been announcing in years, I'm not at all sad to see GOOD OL' J.R. get the heave-ho.
It's that cowboy hat. All he has to do is ditch the hat and he'll return to normal. That might even be enough to shake up RAW entirely.
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#26 Posted on 7.10.05 1032.18
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I'd rather see King shown the door as well, but Ross is the one who's steadily been cutting back on his duties over the last few years and is obviously been moving toward retirement. I have so little regard for the RAW announce team, though, that I feel any change is good change. Heck, Coach has been in the booth for a while now, why not just can Lawler too, and make Coach the color man?
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#27 Posted on 7.10.05 1040.04
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    Originally posted by rv581
    To me, JIM ROSS was a fantastic play-by-play announcer. Maybe the best in the history of the business. His voice, even keel, and enthusiasm greatly added to the excitment & realism of so many matches.

    But alas, GOOD OL' J.R. was irritating, stale, and condescending.

    Since JIM ROSS hasn't been announcing in years, I'm not at all sad to see GOOD OL' J.R. get the heave-ho.
I was just thinking about Jim Ross' infamous Robocop call ("... and here comes Robocop, Bob!") as evidence that Jim Ross could be plenty bad and couldn't save everything, but then I thought about how Good Ol' JR would have handled the Robocop situation.

"ROBOCOP, BY GOD! ROBOCOP! ROBOCOP! ROBOCOP! ROBOCOP!"
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#28 Posted on 7.10.05 1048.05
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Well I read on PWinsider that they are speculating that JR may be the guy who gets "fired" by Vinny Mac after the Stone Cold incident on Homecoming. JR is very close to Austin on and off camera so I think this may be a good possiblity as a way to move J.R. off of T.V. with a "reason". We shall see though.
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#29 Posted on 7.10.05 1059.20
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    Originally posted by Destrucity
    I was just thinking about Jim Ross' infamous Robocop call ("... and here comes Robocop, Bob!") as evidence that Jim Ross could be plenty bad and couldn't save everything, but then I thought about how Good Ol' JR would have handled the Robocop situation.


There's a right way to call Robocop? Sometimes, the writing is so bad that no amount of talent on the announcers' part can help it.
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#30 Posted on 7.10.05 1115.51
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First we get saddled with The Coach, now our beloved JR may be going. I cannot believe this.

Unless this Goldberg guy has any pearls of wisdom, I fear for WWE's Raw ratings. I don't think he could dilute Lawler's puppy rants.

If Goldberg is anything like the standard of Michael Cole, Raw will takea definate turn for the worst.
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#31 Posted on 7.10.05 1119.53
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    Originally posted by mikebuk
    First we get saddled with The Coach, now our beloved JR may be going. I cannot believe this.

    Unless this Goldberg guy has any pearls of wisdom, I fear for WWE's Raw ratings. I don't think he could dilute Lawler's puppy rants.

    If Goldberg is anything like the standard of Michael Cole, Raw will takea definate turn for the worst.
It's a wonder people don't PAY you for trenchant analysis like this.
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#32 Posted on 7.10.05 1250.11
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Oh I do !

It's a penny an hour and all the acid drops I can eat.
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#33 Posted on 7.10.05 1334.47
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    Originally posted by Matt
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Wait, who was calling Raw in 1999 and how old were they?


    Please, sir, you're not going to tell me that Lawler and Ross were any way responsible for the Attitude success. How quickly did "puppies" get old? Two seconds? Three?


All I meant was, how could Ross and Lawler be "much too old to talk to the key male demographic"* now if the company was so successful at doing so in 1999? 50 year old men can be the voices of a nuclear hot product marketed to young men but 55 is just way too old?

* not intended to be the old condescending quotation, I just don't want to have to do the tags for a triple Quote.
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#34 Posted on 7.10.05 1356.36
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    All I meant was, how could Ross and Lawler be "much too old to talk to the key male demographic"* now if the company was so successful at doing so in 1999? 50 year old men can be the voices of a nuclear hot product marketed to young men but 55 is just way too old?


I think that magic money era was so hot that nothing could seriosuly detract from it except its own excess (pick any degrading scene). But now that mainstream wrestling exposure has cooled and the WWE finds itself against another competitor with a TV deal, they need to batten down the hatches and freshen the product. The easiest thing they can do without touching the ringwork (asking people to take more risks, etc.) is to change the packaging and the announcers are the core of that. They are the voice of the promotion, more so then Vince because he spends so much tim on-camera in character.

While the TNA voices are no spring chickens, they offer a level of excitement that we haven't gotten from Ross and Lawler in a long while.

(edited by Matt Tracker on 7.10.05 1210)
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#35 Posted on 7.10.05 1409.30
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I've never even heard of this Goldberg guy, but anything (yes, anything) is better than Joey Styles, so I welcome him with open arms.

I just can't find the words to describe how irritating I find Joey Styles. I'd rather see the return of Lee Marshall.
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#36 Posted on 7.10.05 1509.19
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    Originally posted by rv581
    To me, JIM ROSS was a fantastic play-by-play announcer. Maybe the best in the history of the business. His voice, even keel, and enthusiasm greatly added to the excitment & realism of so many matches.

    But alas, GOOD OL' J.R. was irritating, stale, and condescending.

    Since JIM ROSS hasn't been announcing in years, I'm not at all sad to see GOOD OL' J.R. get the heave-ho.


Amen brother. I agree with this 100%

GOOD OL' JR is unlistenable. So ridiculous and over-the-top. I was hoping they'd ice him for THE COACH~! but apparently at least that journey is beginning. Thank goodness.
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#37 Posted on 7.10.05 2108.41
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Long term perspective: Ross and Lawler became the RAW announcing team after Vince took the stunner at the MSG RAW in September of '97. They had worked together before then, but, at least up until that point, Vince was still the main announcer for the company. Even throwing in Ross' health problems and the time Lawler left the company, they still had an over 7 year run. That's just about the amount of time that Monsoon and Heenan had together. Unless you run the company, eventually you get phased out. Even Gordon Solie was phased out, and Ross on his best day isn't Solie on his worst day. Considering this is reportedly a long term deal, this appears to be more building towards the 2010's and less on going back to the 1990's, and this company needs to move forward and realize the 90's were more than a half decade ago.
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#38 Posted on 7.10.05 2251.32
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(From www.PWTorch.com)


>No word on Mike Goldberg signing with WWE. The only rumor going around in MMA circles is that UFC is upping their offer to keep Goldberg and that given what he's heard about what it's like working for Vince McMahon, how he is willing to dump a longtime employee like Jim Ross from his lead announcing role on an apparently whim, and the ramifications of his sports announcing career in the long run if he's associated with pro wrestling for a stretch of time, he might be having second thoughts on signing.<
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#39 Posted on 8.10.05 0218.03
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I'm just curious, but does MMA *really* have a whole lot more respect among sports organizations like the NFL, MLB, etc. than pro-wrestling? Because I know in the general public, it's pretty much a tie (aside from the people that can't be bothered to tell the difference).

At least with the WWE he'd be reaching a larger audience and getting his name out there a lot more.


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#40 Posted on 9.10.05 1448.20
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Mike Goldberg has decided ultimately to turn down WWE's offer and stay with the UFC, according to Dave Meltzer:

    Originally posted by Meltzer
    Mike Goldberg has decided to turn down the WWE offer and stay with UFC. At least that was the situation as of yesterday as he's been wrestling and fighting with his decision all week. It's really a mess of a situation now, as WWE has nobody at least for now in the spot, but it's so ridiculously public that they don't want Jim Ross as lead announcer any longer, and most likely he will still be calling the show until they can come up with another bad replacement.
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