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#1 Posted on 23.9.05 1347.02
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from PWTorch.com

-TNA has announced that A.J. Styles vs. Roderick Stroong will be the first match on the Oct. 1 debut of TNA Impact on Spike TV.

-Three matches have been announced for October's TNA Bound for Glory PPV: Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger, Petey Williams vs. Chris Sabin vs. Matt Bentley (a/k/a Michael Shane) in an Ultimate X match, and A.J. Styles vs. Christopher Daniels in a 30 minute Iron Man match.

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I don't know Rod Strong. Only heard about him in ROH. Is he any good?

The three BFG matches seem REAL good, but they did Styles/Daniels already. Why repeat themselves?

Has Joe vs. Liger ever happened?

Doesn't matter, I'll order this show anyway.....
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#2 Posted on 23.9.05 1508.05
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Why do Styles and Daniels again? Because they are the two best talents in the federation, so why not put them together on their biggest ppv of the year (and ever). Besides the champion who loses the title normally gets a rematch so it makes sense that Daniels would turn around and get another shot. Hopefully some of the people tuning in for Bound for Glory will be new fans who didn't see Daniels/Styles first Iron Man match, and the TNA fans who did see the first one probably have no problem with seeing it again.

The only thing I don't understand is having an Ultimate X match without the title, what is going to hang in the middle? Oh well, I'd rather see AJ in a singles match at Bound for Glory and Petey, Sabin and Bentley should have a great match.

Liger vs. Samoa Joe? Didn't see that coming, figured Liger would wrestle either Daniels or AJ. Should be interesting.

Already shaping up to be good. Throw AMW winning back the tag titles, some Monty goodness and a Dudleys appearance in there and it should be a great show.
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#3 Posted on 23.9.05 1515.28
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    The only thing I don't understand is having an Ultimate X match without the title, what is going to hang in the middle?


I believe they hung a big X last time this happened.
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#4 Posted on 23.9.05 1517.08
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Okay, I've seen this other places as well, but on what planet does 30 minutes count as Iron Man? That extra 5-10 minutes over a regular free tv match really separates the men from the boys, apparently. I appreciate that they want to do the "most pinfalls" gimmick match without devoting an hour to it, but Iron Man just isn't an appropriate moniker.
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#5 Posted on 23.9.05 1631.38
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Wow, Liger vs. Joe? I wouldn't have predicted that. That just seems...weird.

***EDIT! The more I think about it, though, the more awesome it becomes.

Quezzy -- Yeah, a big Red X was the prize once -- I'll be surprised if it doesn't become a #1 contender match.

Mike -- I've only seen Strong at Unbeakable, against Austin Aries. He seems pretty good; he's got about a hundred different backbreakers. Oh! And he did this great move where he pressed Aries up and dropped him, while falling backwards, so that Aries landed across both of Strong's knees.

Nevertheless, I'm a little surprised at Strong showing up in the first match -- I would have expected a longer-term employee (meaning pretty much everyone else, including Aries). I haven't even heard anything about him signing a contract yet. I guess TNA must be pretty excited about him.

Tenken -- I agree. Half-hour Iron Matches are a little weird, especially when they get pinfalls off of non-finishing moves in less time than it would take them in a regular singles match.

Anyway. Things look to be shaping up nicely.

--K






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#6 Posted on 23.9.05 1816.46
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TNA's mindset is that they're booking for the new viewers that will be joining them on Spike TV. So the small base of hardcore TNA fans have seen Daniels vs Styles and Ultimate X but however many new fans jump on board, will not have seen these matchups.

It's not so much that they're redoing matches but they're starting with what they know will be good. With Styles vs Daniels, you're pretty much guaranteed a great showcase of the X Division. Some super hardcore fans that watch every indy DVD and TNA show may be tired of that match but they either wouldn't be buying the show or will buy anyways because of Liger.
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#7 Posted on 23.9.05 2118.15
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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
    I'll be surprised if it doesn't become a #1 contender match


TNA is billing it as a #1 contenders match on their website, with the big X having to be pulled down in order to win.

    Originally posted by TNAWrestling.com
    ULTIMATE X MATCH FOR THE #1 CONTENDER
    Matt Bentley vs. Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams
    It’s been called the most innovative bout in wrestling in the last decade – the high-flying, daredevil Ultimate X Match! With the #1 contender to the X Division Title on the line for Matt Bentley, Chris Sabin and Petey Williams, who will be the first to scale the steel structure and pull down the “X” from above the ring to earn a shot at the gold? Will it be the competitor who introduced the Ultimate X Match to TNA in Matt Bentley, the star who has scored the most wins in the bout in Chris Sabin, or the Team Canada captain Petey Williams, still looking for his first Ultimate X win?
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#8 Posted on 23.9.05 2303.57
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    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    match.

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    I don't know Rod Strong. Only heard about him in ROH.


Roderick Strong wrestled a few matches for TNA in the past, and faced Austin Aries at TNA Unbreakable. He's a member of Austin Aries ROH stable, Generation Next(?) I believe.


    Is he any good?




Yes. He's the master of the backbreaker .


    The three BFG matches seem REAL good, but they did Styles/Daniels already. Why repeat themselves?


WWE repeated Batista/HHH THREE times on PPV, and none of them were MOTYC's like Styles/Daniels at Against All Odds was.

All of Daniel's and AJ's matches that I've seen including ROH, TNA, and PWG have all been excellent, and I have no doubt they will pull off another masterpiece once again. Plus as its been said it gives new fans a chance to see the two premiere superstars of TNA go at it.

Not to mention that they never formally ended the AJ/Daniels feud from earlier this year. This match should be the bookend of the feud for now. Daniels has never cleanly defeated AJ in TNA.




    Has Joe vs. Liger ever happened?

    Doesn't matter, I'll order this show anyway.....


Joe vs. Liger has NEVER happened before in the history of professional wrestling. They did team together in ROH before. TNA recently has done a good job of delivering dream matches that have yet to happen.

Bound For Glory is shaping up to be one of the best wrestling PPV's of the year.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    The only thing I don't understand is having an Ultimate X match without the title, what is going to hang in the middle? Oh well, I'd rather see AJ in a singles match at Bound for Glory and Petey, Sabin and Bentley should have a great match.


As was said by thecubsfan, they use a big red X to hang from the middle instead of a title belt.

Such was the case in Ultimate X III: Sabin vs. Williams vs. Garza. And Ultimate X V: Sabin vs. Dutt vs. Skipper.



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#9 Posted on 24.9.05 0134.25
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    Originally posted by TheVile1
    WWE repeated Batista/HHH THREE times on PPV, and none of them were MOTYC's like Styles/Daniels at Against All Odds was.


I'm not sure what that has to do with Bound For Glory, although it's worth pointing out that two of the three Batista/HHH matches headlined PPVs that drew really successful buyrates. Still, I believe other wrestling shows have also featured return or 're'matches before, but I assume what he was wondering was why they would repeat the same exact gimmick twice in an eight month span, which is kind of a surprise.

Now, Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon and the TLC tagteams had successful rematches with the same stipulation that more or less matched the quality of the original spectacular match. I don't doubt that Styles and Daniels will have a spectacular match, but it's odd that they wouldn't try something different. I think the idea is that to put them in the same kind of match in which they had a ****3/4-or-whatever classic, so they're under the same circumstances and they can specifically play off that orginal match and theoretically try to top it.



    Joe vs. Liger has NEVER happened before in the history of professional wrestling. They did team together in ROH before. TNA recently has done a good job of delivering dream matches that have yet to happen.


Just to be a jerk, can I ask what those matches were? A.J., Joe, and Daniels all wrestling each other at the same time instead of in singles matches? Or does Aries vs. Daniels count as a dream match?

So Samoa Joe is wrestling Kobashi and Liger in consecutive big matches. One, so big and the other, so small. Both, very Japanese. If Gabe Sapolsky was booking TNA, it would be Joe & one Natural vs. Liger & the other Natural.



    Bound For Glory is shaping up to be one of the best wrestling PPV's of the year.


Especially if the Joe, A.J., and Ultimate X matches all get significant time, which considering it's a 3.5 hour show, shouldn't be a problem. Too bad they won't let the X Title match go last this month since Jeff is champ this time. (I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that one.)

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#10 Posted on 24.9.05 0219.06
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I'm not sure what that has to do with Bound For Glory, although it's worth pointing out that two of the three Batista/HHH matches headlined PPVs that drew really successful buyrates. Still, I believe other wrestling shows have also featured return or 're'matches before, but I assume what he was wondering was why they would repeat the same exact gimmick twice in an eight month span, which is kind of a surprise.

    Now, Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon and the TLC tagteams had successful rematches with the same stipulation that more or less matched the quality of the original spectacular match. I don't doubt that Styles and Daniels will have a spectacular match, but it's odd that they wouldn't try something different. I think the idea is that to put them in the same kind of match in which they had a ****3/4-or-whatever classic, so they're under the same circumstances and they can specifically play off that orginal match and theoretically try to top it.


My point is this is something WWE does constantly and with a match-up that was rather dull.



    Just to be a jerk, can I ask what those matches were? A.J., Joe, and Daniels all wrestling each other at the same time instead of in singles matches? Or does Aries vs. Daniels count as a dream match?


AJ vs. Joe vs. Daniels is one of those matches. Others were Daniels/Williams for the X title at No Surrender. And Sabin/Joe as well which was a fantastic match. And now Liger vs. Joe at Bound For Glory. Abyss vs. Lance Hoyt was a big surprise as well, and was one of the strongest "big men" matches I can remember in recent memory.

I think Aries/Daniels at Sacrifice was pretty good as well.


    Especially if the Joe, A.J., and Ultimate X matches all get significant time, which considering it's a 3.5 hour show, shouldn't be a problem. Too bad they won't let the X Title match go last this month since Jeff is champ this time. (I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that one.)



Jeff was champion during Turning Point and Lockdown, neither of which he had the final match on the card. Granted he was not defending the world title on either event.

I think putting Styles/Daniels as the main event would be a smart move though. But even at Wrestlemania this year, the best match of the night (Angle/HBK) did NOT go last.

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#11 Posted on 24.9.05 0849.20
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Yeah, I guess a 30 minute Iron Match is strange, especially since they have plenty of time for this ppv, but from all the Daniels/Styles matches I've seen they go non-stop for 20 - 30 minutes, while most 60 man Iron Man matches I've seen have had a lot of resting (and rightfully so because I know I couldn't wrestle for 60 minutes straight) so really I think AJ and Daniels probably get as much done in 30 minutes as other people do in 60 minutes, just without the breaks. Purists might not like it, but I don't think newer fans will mind. I personally won't mind if it means that Samoa Joe, the Ultimate X, Monty, and AMW get more time.

I'd like to see Daniels/AJ as the main event, like I said before I think they are the two top talents, although Monty is up there too. I think it could happen but it all depends on exactly what the title match is. If it's just Jarrett defending in a singles or three way match then I can see Daniels/AJ main eventing. But if they do go with a King of the Mountain they may want to make that the main event hoping that WWE fans will be interested in seeing Jeff and Rhino, ECW fans will be interested in seeing Raven and Rhino, WCW fans will be interested in seeing Jarrett and TNA fans will be interested in seeing Monty and Abyss.

Still, TNA has a history of making sure the best match is last, not just with the X Division but the tag titles I believe were main event matches during the Triple X/AMW feud.

Roderick Strong has looked good from what I've seen, but really I think they probably gave him the debut match because they needed someone to job to AJ. I'm sure he'll get some moves in, he actually seemed to be on the offense more than Aries in their ppv match, but the object of the match is to make AJ look good right off the bat.
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#12 Posted on 24.9.05 1406.28
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And who's to say the ironman match won't be tied at the end of the 30 minutes, requiring them to go into a sudden death overtime? The match will be good. Wrestling is all a work anyway, so just enjoy the good wrestling and suspend your disbelief for 30-45 minutes during that match.
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#13 Posted on 24.9.05 1503.48
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Ooh, competing iron mans. WWE.com just added Angle vs Michaels, 30min Iron Man match to the WWE Homecoming edition of Raw.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rawonusa

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#14 Posted on 24.9.05 1505.01
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Dave Meltzer says that the NWA title match at Bound for Glory is Jarrett vs. Kevin Nash with Tito Ortiz involved in some capacity. I know they had a surprisingly acceptable match last time, and that's the most starpower they can put in their first main event. Because perception is reality, I would still put Styles and Daniels on last rather than have it come off like Jarrett and Nash are the focal points of the promotion. Plus there's no way Jarrett and Nash will be able to follow Styles and Daniels. Also, Tito Ortiz is so not a babyface. They should do Ortiz in the heel corner and Ken Shamrock in the face corner and build to a tag match.

Rick Rude had 30 minute iron man matches with Ricky Steamboat and Dustin Rhodes, and Benoit and Angle had a 30 minute iron man submission match. While I agree that going half an hour as opposed to an hour makes for a less iron...ic man, perhaps the fact that the match keeps going after where a normal match would end also adds some irony. The reality is also, like Mr. Quezzy said, that 30 minutes makes for a better match than 60 minutes since they don't have to stretch to fill so much time. Speaking of,


    Ooh, competing iron mans. WWE.com just added Angle vs Michaels, 30min Iron Man match to the WWE Homecoming edition of Raw.


OMG

This could be the first TV show with two four star matches since the September 2002 Smackdown in San Diego with Eddie vs. Edge and Rey vs. Benoit vs. Angle.

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#15 Posted on 24.9.05 1608.44
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    Originally posted by chill
    And who's to say the ironman match won't be tied at the end of the 30 minutes, requiring them to go into a sudden death overtime? The match will be good. Wrestling is all a work anyway, so just enjoy the good wrestling and suspend your disbelief for 30-45 minutes during that match.


Well that's exactly what happened during the first AJ/Daniels Iron Man match this year.

I do find it a little funny that WWE announces the same type of match two days after TNA does. Just funny, that's all. It makes sense though seeing as to how much trouble WWE has filling up 2 hours nowadays let alone THREE.

EDIT,

Monster's Ball 2, Abyss vs. Rhino vs. Sabu vs. Jeff Hardy has been added to Bound For Glory.

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#16 Posted on 24.9.05 1627.32
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    Originally posted by JayGo
    Ooh, competing iron mans. WWE.com just added Angle vs Michaels, 30min Iron Man match to the WWE Homecoming edition of Raw.

    http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rawonusa

    (edited by JayGo on 24.9.05 2112)


All of a sudden, I'm a wrestling fan again.

So within a month, I'm treated to Angle/Michaels and Styles/Daniels in iron man matches (even though I hate these matches, I'll take these two), Hardy/Edge ladder, Joe/Liger AND Sabin/Williams/Bentley?

If they book Benjamin/Conway, give them 15 minutes and let the cut loose, all the better.

I know WWE doesn't really see TNA as competition (and they shouldn't really... at least not now), people should PRAY that TNA is successful. If they keep trying to one up each other with matches, the only winner are the fans.

BTW, early call, the Michaels/Angle iron man will be better.... but just barely.
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#17 Posted on 24.9.05 1633.19
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    EDIT,

    Monster's Ball 2, Abyss vs. Rhino vs. Sabu vs. Jeff Hardy has been added to Bound For Glory.


That's EXACTLY the kind of stupid stuff I think TNA shouldn't be doing. I mean, from the site:

And, like the original, all four competitors will be locked away in separate areas for 24 hours prior to the bout – no food, no water, no light. When the doors are finally unlocked and the combatants let loose, they will be extremely angry, irritable and out for blood.

The match'll be fine. It doesn't need a stupid hokey thing like that thrown on top, especially when there's not really even a story setting it up this time.

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#18 Posted on 24.9.05 1707.14
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    Originally posted by JayGo
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      EDIT,

      Monster's Ball 2, Abyss vs. Rhino vs. Sabu vs. Jeff Hardy has been added to Bound For Glory.


    That's EXACTLY the kind of stupid stuff I think TNA shouldn't be doing. I mean, from the site:

    And, like the original, all four competitors will be locked away in separate areas for 24 hours prior to the bout – no food, no water, no light. When the doors are finally unlocked and the combatants let loose, they will be extremely angry, irritable and out for blood.

    The match'll be fine. It doesn't need a stupid hokey thing like that thrown on top, especially when there's not really even a story setting it up this time.

    (edited by JayGo on 24.9.05 2233)
I think it'll be worth it if the match ends with a ravenous Abyss eating the other three.

--K



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#19 Posted on 24.9.05 1846.19
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Well Abyss, Jeff and Rhino being in Monster's Ball 2 makes it seem more and more like Jarrett and Nash is the main event for sure. But where does that leave Monty? Monty vs Raven for number one contender? Monty/Billy vs. Dudleys? Monty vs. Hoyt? Daniels and AJ should definitely be the main event if Nash and Jarrett is the Title match. However I'm glad Monty and Abyss are in different matches, they both should get strong wins to showcase them on the ppv I think.
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#20 Posted on 24.9.05 1939.40
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If Nash vs. Jarrett is the world title match I think I'm going to kill a karibou with a tonto.

I got your world title main event right here. Monty vs. Raven vs. Jarrett. That simple.
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