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#1 Posted on 22.9.05 1400.34
Reposted on: 22.9.12 1400.37
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9437465/

Short Version: Palmeiro is now claiming to an arbitration panel assigned to his case that he was given an unknown substance by an Orioles teammate (whose name he gave to the panel but otherwise it hasn't been said who he fingered) and that the mysterious other person's substance is what caused him to test positive for steroids without him knowing he was taking anything to tripwire the drug test.

Obviously I don't know if he's telling the truth or not, but I hope he understands how dubious this all sounds.

EDIT: Ugh, I wrote "Thows". Let us all point and laugh.

(edited by Blanket Jackson on 22.9.05 1501)
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#2 Posted on 22.9.05 1441.30
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So ANOTHER Oriole gave Raffy 'roids? Let's put aside the fact that Raffy's broken rule number one of the clubhouse, but another guy's been taking steroids undetected? Score one for the new drug policy.

Having said that, I KNEW Brian Roberts was having a little TOO good a year.
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#3 Posted on 22.9.05 1655.38
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The public and Lawmakers are ignorant enough on the subject of steroids and supplements to actually maybe buy this.

It really isn't all this complicated. When I hear people talk about companies spiking their protein powders with hormones, I can't believe how gullible people are. Thge media reported that 9 year old girls were taking steroids.

Now, let's use our brains people. First of all, do YOU know where to get steroids? Most people don't. They really aren't that hard to find if you are savvy with the net(which is not without risks) or if you are a gymrat. 9 year old girls do not fall into either category. Secondly, steroids cost money, 9 year old girls don't have any. And thirdly, 9 year olds don't know what steroids are, and most of the general public only has a faint idea. The ludicrousness of this media story is indicitave of how far behind most people are on performance enhancing drugs.

Anyway, my point is, it IS possible that a supplement could give a negative test for Winstrol. However, most of those prohormones and prosteroids(which is code name for not yet illegal) are now federally outlawed.
But those chemists kept chuggin away and put out Superdrol and Prostanozol, both prosteroids. The Superdrol line has now been discontinued.

Anyway,Prostanozol is a weaker brother of Stanozolol(commonly known as Winstrol) and it would certainly give a false positive test.

So, it is possible, but for it to be true, Palmeiro would have had to been extremely negligent in taking some unknown pill or transdermal. I find his story hard to believe and appalled that he would blame another person for his own use.

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#4 Posted on 22.9.05 1706.30
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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    So, it is possible, but for it to be true, Palmeiro would have had to been extremely negligent in taking some unknown pill or transdermal. I find his story hard to believe and appalled that he would blame another person for his own use.



That's the important part of this story. Are we REALLY supposed to believe that he'd take something from a teammate without REALLY knowing what it was? I doubt the teammate gave him a candy bar laced with steroids (yes, I know it doesn't work like that). Chances are he had to inject this thing - whatever he thought it was - into his body, and if he didn't check to see what was in it, that's his own damn fault. In the eyes of the law, deliberate ignorance is equal to knowledge.

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#5 Posted on 22.9.05 1715.20
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    Originally posted by It's False
    So ANOTHER Oriole gave Raffy 'roids?


It certainly is plausible. I know of one teammate who's been ALLEGEDLY linked to steroids since the Summer of '98. And who "forgot" english in front of Congress. Say it ain't so, Sammy Sosa!!!

(and if Palmerio did give up Sosa, it could'nt happen to a more deserving guy...)
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#6 Posted on 22.9.05 2255.15
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Am I the only one reading that story, and getting the idea that the O's are more upset that another player may be implicated/disciplined, rather than being upset that another one of their players is doing steroids?
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#7 Posted on 22.9.05 2308.33
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2169007

Latest update on ESPN.com suggests that Tejada was the name mentioned. Yowza.

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#8 Posted on 22.9.05 2348.52
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    "Miggy [Tejada] is cleared in any implication that he provided steroids to Palmeiro," Beattie said in a statement. "That was investigated by HHPAC [House Health Policy Advisory Committee], and just to be sure they tested the stuff that Miggy had. It was found to be the B-12. That cleared it. End of story."

    Beattie also said that Palmeiro would issue a statement later Thursday denying that he accused Tejada of giving him a substance that may have caused a positive steroids test.

    The Washington Post reported Thursday night that a substance given to MLB's governing body on steroids was tested three times and determined to be B-12


So either
- the AP got the player Palmerio named wrong
- Palmerio actually did name Tejada and is about to lie about it (and we'd have no idea if he really believes what Tejada gave him was a steroid)
- someone pulled a switch and what they tested wasn't what Tejada and Palmerio were taking
- something completley different!
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#9 Posted on 23.9.05 0015.59
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      "Miggy [Tejada] is cleared in any implication that he provided steroids to Palmeiro," Beattie said in a statement. "That was investigated by HHPAC [House Health Policy Advisory Committee], and just to be sure they tested the stuff that Miggy had. It was found to be the B-12. That cleared it. End of story."

      Beattie also said that Palmeiro would issue a statement later Thursday denying that he accused Tejada of giving him a substance that may have caused a positive steroids test.

      The Washington Post reported Thursday night that a substance given to MLB's governing body on steroids was tested three times and determined to be B-12


    So either
    - the AP got the player Palmerio named wrong
    - Palmerio actually did name Tejada and is about to lie about it (and we'd have no idea if he really believes what Tejada gave him was a steroid)
    - someone pulled a switch and what they tested wasn't what Tejada and Palmerio were taking
    - something completley different!


Well considering that we've been waiting to hear that plausible explanation for his positive test for the last two months, something tells me there's a chance that Palmeiro won't make a statement denying he accused Tejada at all.

Palmeiro is a disgrace to baseball. Here's to hoping that they won't even sell him a ticket to Cooperstown.
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#10 Posted on 23.9.05 1021.28
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Vitamin B-12 is a commonly used vitamin for bulking bodybuilders. When it is injected in very large amounts it makes one extremely hungry.

Now, maybe just maybe Tejada was injecting it(which is very doubtful for obvious reasons) and using the same needle for Winstrol and he injected B-12 into Palmeiro. Could that cause a positive test, I have no idea(never pinned myself!), but I think that this explanation for Raffy's statement is beyond resonable doubt and that he is guilty.
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#11 Posted on 23.9.05 1442.58
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Do you think they'd be stupid enough to share needles?
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#12 Posted on 23.9.05 1505.22
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Yes.
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#13 Posted on 23.9.12 1946.12
    Originally posted by BigSteve

    Palmeiro is a disgrace to baseball. Here's to hoping that they won't even sell him a ticket to Cooperstown.


Looking back with seven years' hindsight...

Palmeiro first became eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2011, receiving only 64 votes, 11% of the total number cast-- well under the threshold of 75% (though still well above the minimum number, 5%, that would disqualify him from future consideration).

Said Barry M. Bloom on Major League Baseball's official website, "Palmeiro should have been a sure-fire first-ballot inductee, as a member of the 500-homer, 3,000-hit club, but was suspended in 2005 after testing positive for steroid use. He received only 11 percent of the vote."
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#14 Posted on 24.9.05 1755.20
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Tejada was also named as a prime suspect in Canseco's book, so that carries added weight. All of the O's must've stopped juicing since the allstar break the way they've folded.

I like the imagery of Raffy throwing Tejada under the bus. This has to be one of the most overused sports cliches. What started this? Was there ever a real case of a teammate being thrown under an actual bus? Are they both standing in the middle of the street in the path of an oncoming bus and then Raffy throws Tejada under it to slow it down? The bus would still hit him too. Like in this case now that Palmeiro's going down he feels he might as well take the rest of his team down with him.

If B12 is the culprit, it would explain Ponson. Nobody looked hungrier than him.
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