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#21 Posted on 7.9.05 2324.36
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By Indian, do you mean Native American or actual Indians from India?
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#22 Posted on 8.9.05 0011.41
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Indians as in people from India.

Maybe my take is different because the bay area is so
cosmopolitan, though I've lived here long enough to
know that many of the white people who were here in
the seventies hated Asians even though the influx of
money and talent from Asia had increased the value
of their homes five or ten times in just a few years.

Asians weren't held back by that racism because they
made intelligent decisions like pooling their income
to buy homes. My dumb white neighbors would crack
jokes about ten Asians living in the same house, but
those ten people owned the house, drove new cars, went
to school, got good jobs, and became middle class or
better within a single generation.

The most important decision anyone can make related to
their success is to postpone starting a family so that
they can concentrate on getting enough education to earn
a decent salary. Failing that, as my single mother did,
the next most important decision is to avoid having more
kids and work your butt off to go back and finish school.

I was part of the urban poor growing up in Portland,
Maine. Portland isn't a big city, but it is big enough
to have low income federal housing projects which form
the base of most ghettos. I visited a kid from school
in the projects once. His little brother was crawling
around on the floor naked, pooping and peeing while his
father watched television. Guess what? That family
were white and it was their own foolishness and laziness
that had brought them so low, though I don't doubt they
tried to blame someone else for the misery in their lives.

I don't resent the poor people of New Orleans, but I don't
believe racism is a major cause of their economic plight.
Many have more children then they could support. That's
a personal decision, not a function of government policy
or racism. Many believe that they don't have a chance.
That hopelessness is a product of corrupt leaders like
Jesse Jackson who get rich exploiting the issue of racial
inequality while doing nothing to help the people they
supposedly represent make better personal decisions.

Poverty is a legitimate problem in this country and it
is growing becuase poor people tend to have more kids
than any other economic group. That's true whether you
are looking at New Orleans, San Jose, or Portland, Maine.
That poverty is a function of bad choices, not racism.

Frank

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#23 Posted on 8.9.05 0018.45
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    Poverty is a legitimate problem in this country and it
    is growing becuase poor people tend to have more kids
    than any other economic group. That's true whether you
    are looking at New Orleans, San Jose, or Portland, Maine.
    That poverty is a function of bad choices, not racism.



That's really an ignorant statement. Poverty really isn't that black and white, although some like to paint it that way. There's no hard facts to back your statement up at all. One doesn't always cause the other.

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#24 Posted on 8.9.05 0238.26
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    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    I don't believe racism is a major cause of their economic plight.


I don't believe anybody here has made the statement or was trying to make the statement that they were poor because of racism. As a matter of fact, I don't think anybody has really been bemoaning the economic plight of the citizens of New Orleans.

This thread was, to my knowledge, more or less about the plight of the people trapped in New Orleans without food or water and a lack of either being provided for them in reasonable time by the government (be it local, state, or federal). Whether they were poor, black, or both before the hurricane has no bearing on the aid that they require in the aftermath. Now if the aid wasn't provided because they are poor, black, or both is an entirely different issue and one that the citizens trapped in New Orleans can do nothing about.
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#25 Posted on 8.9.05 0328.05
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"(plus we cannot not forget the greatest setback in America-not being white)"
- Lord of the Manor

I rejected Lord of the Manor's parenthetical assertion that "not being white" is the greatest setback in America.

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#26 Posted on 8.9.05 1118.46
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    Originally posted by Lord of the Manor
    Now when I bring up Iraq, what I mean is this- funding for the levees- cut. Where'd it go? Iraq. Where are all the national guardsmen- Iraq. Why the focus on Iraq? WMD... errr, ummm... Right. Should there be accountability for that? I tend to think so.


You really think that in all our gigantic bloated federal bureaucracy we don't have money for the levees? The government spends billions of dollars on millions of things, they could have easily spent money there if they wanted to. It's not a simple binary choice between Iraq and flood preparation, unless you want to try real hard to blame Bush for, well, everything.
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#27 Posted on 8.9.05 1133.57
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Much as I would love to blame Bush for the levee situation, this is something that has been blissfully ignored by leadership of both parties forever. I saw John Breaux on one of the tv shows talking about how the Army Corps of Engineers was always seen as the bank that could be whittled down in budgeting so that lawmakers could have their pet projects funded during Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2...

That said, I would like to see some conservatives point out that disaster relief is not mentioned in the Constitution, and thus we shouldn't be funding it. It's Louisiana's job to rebuild New Orleans, not the Feds if you really believe in that logic.

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#28 Posted on 8.9.05 2309.33
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Olbermann put together a fantastic video time-line last night, and I think it perfectly captures the problems here.

Look, I consider myself an Independent. Socially liberal (pro-choice, etc.) but conservative in every other way, especially national defense. I voted for Bush (twice) but between this and Iraq- and yes, they are connected- I have lost total confidence in his leadership. I can't imagine any administration doing a worse job. If my city is hit with a disaster- hurricane, terrorism, or WHATEVER- I want to know my federal government is going to be there to help me. Period. Not if the Governor asks or after 72 hours, but right away. Federal aid was en-route to Asia after the tsunami BEFORE it was en-route to New Orleans after Katrina. It isn't right. Bush ran (and won) on his ability to protect the American people. Homeland Defense failed on this one, and someone has to be accountable. And I'm not excusing the local and state governments; they are culpable too. But all politics aside, the Federal government dropped the ball. And many people died because of it.
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