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#1 Posted on 24.8.05 1131.11
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As I was listening to my local sports talk morning show, a guy called in with an interesting question. If there were a Mount Rushmore of NFL Coaching Greats, what 4 faces would have be included?

There was a great debate the ensued between the broadcasters (one of which is retired Titans TE Frank Wycheck) & callers.

If I had to pick my 4:

Vince Lombardi - C'mon, the championship trophy is named for him.
Bill Walsh - Changed the face of the game with his dynasty in San Francisco.
Chuck Noll - 4 Championships. Those Steeler teams are some of the best in history.
Don Shula - All-time winningest coach in NFL history.

Honorable Mention
George Halas - 8 NFL championships, 2nd Winningest Coach in NFL History
Joe Gibbs - Won 3 Super Bowls (with 3 different QBs)
Bill Belichick - Won 3 Super Bowls in the salary-cap driven era of the NFL.
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#2 Posted on 24.8.05 1148.10
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Sorry, but you *have* to include Paul Brown on the Honorable Mention list - Went from OSU to the Browns, led them to every AAFC championship ever, then won the NFL Championship in 1950 when they joined the league. Fantastic, innovative coach.

Otherwise, I like the first four.

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#3 Posted on 24.8.05 1215.37
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No Rich Kotite love?

Actually, I believe Coach Landry should be included, as much as I hate the Cowboys, he was the man for a long, long time.

(edited by StaggerLee on 24.8.05 1216)
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#4 Posted on 24.8.05 1225.48
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Paul Brown also got the Bengals started up quickly, who knos how fast they would have developed had Greg Cook not gotten injured.

To think Lombardi and Landry were assistants on the Giants at the same time...

You will also get some votes for Parcells.
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#5 Posted on 24.8.05 1338.36
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I'd put Halas and Brown in the Top 4 with Lombardi and Landry. After that Noll/Walsh/Shula, then Belichick/Gibbs then Parcells. However, if Belichick gets a 4th title in the salary cap era to go with 2 as a defensive coordinator, Mt. Rushmore might need a fifth face.
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#6 Posted on 24.8.05 1342.49
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How can Belicheck be above Parcells? Parcells took JEFF HOSTETLER to a Super Bowl. (not to mention Drew Bledsoe).
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#7 Posted on 24.8.05 1359.00
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    How can Belicheck be above Parcells? Parcells took JEFF HOSTETLER to a Super Bowl. (not to mention Drew Bledsoe).



Belichick WINNING Super Bowl(s) with Patriots > Parcells LOSING Super Bowl with Patriots. (Also, Belichick's (and Gibbs') 3 rings > Parcells' 2 rings.)

I'd say Brown, Halas, and Lombardi are the easy picks, then you could throw a blanket over Noll, Walsh, Landry, and Shula. I'd go with Landry only because he'd have to go up there with his bad-ass hat.
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#8 Posted on 24.8.05 1452.30
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Lombardi had as similar a bad-ass hat as Landry, so he's in for sure.

Halas also donned the rabbit fur capper from time to time, needs to be there.

Walsh from sunny CA most of the time didn't need to cover up the noggin, but Noll wore the knitted striped snow hats, so put Noll in.

Last, Belicheck could go up there only if they could find a way for a huge rock mic/headset that would come on and off all the time.


Honorable mention goes to a great coach that'd just be fun to look at in a huge sculpture with the cheesy mustache - Ditka.

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#9 Posted on 24.8.05 1540.37
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    Originally posted by too-old-now
    Last, Belicheck could go up there only if they could find a way for a huge rock mic/headset that would come on and off all the time.


I think the hoody-n-headband combo would be appropriate for Mr. Belichick.
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#10 Posted on 24.8.05 1651.42
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    How can Belicheck be above Parcells? Parcells took JEFF HOSTETLER to a Super Bowl. (not to mention Drew Bledsoe).



1. As was said before, Belickick's 3 SB's > Parcells 2 SB's

2. Belickick was defensive coordinator on the 2 Parcells Giants SB champion teams and on the Pats team that lost to Green Bay in SB 31. Number of times Parcells has taken a team to the SB without belickick on his staff = 0.

3. Bledsoe his first few years in the league was a very good QB. I'll give you Hostetler but Brady wasn't too much better than him during the first Patriots SB under Belichick.
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#11 Posted on 25.8.05 1750.02
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I'd put Halas and Brown in the Top 4 with Lombardi and Landry. After that Noll/Walsh/Shula, then Belichick/Gibbs then Parcells. However, if Belichick gets a 4th title in the salary cap era to go with 2 as a defensive coordinator, Mt. Rushmore might need a fifth face.


I'll trade out Landry for Shula (just barely) and there ya go. Paul Brown made too many innovations on top of being a master tactician not to be in the top 4.
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#12 Posted on 25.8.05 2151.09
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Oh come on people. Shula is top 3 if not number one.

The first coach to win the SB with two different teams? Building the Dolphins from a total joke into the only undefeated team in post-1960 history?

1. Lombardi
2. Shula
3. Noll
4. Brown
5. Landry
6. Parcells
7. Walsh
8. George Allen
9. Bud Grant
10. Belichick

Then maybe Gibbs or Marv Levy..
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#13 Posted on 26.8.05 0857.45
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The first coach to win the SB with two different teams?

Shula lost the SB with the Colts (Broadway Joe and all that). He wasn't their coach when they won SBV.

EDIT: I don't think anyone has coached two different SB winning teams. Am I overlooking someone?


(edited by Corajudo on 26.8.05 0859)
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#14 Posted on 26.8.05 0917.15
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I can understand perhaps arguing for George Halas not to be number 1, but to do a top 10 list that doesn't have him on it is just crazygonuts.

    Originally posted by football.about.com
    Participated in the organization of the American Football Association, which would later become the NFL
    Only person to be associated with the NFL throughout its first 50 years
    Founder of the Decatur Staleys in 1920 (Renamed the Chicago Bears in 1922)
    Performed as a player, coach, or owner of the Chicago Bears from 1920-83
    Coached the Chicago Bears for 40 seasons
    Voted NFL Coach of the Year Twice (1963,65)
    Won 320 Games as an NFL Head Coach
    Coached the Chicago Bears to a 73-0 win over the Washington Redskins in the 1940 NFL Title Game
    Won Six NFL Championships as a Head Coach
    Inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (1963)
    Innovations:
    Added a man-in-motion and perfected the classic T-Formation
    First coach to hold daily practice sessions
    First to utilize films of opponents' games for study
    First to schedule a barnstorming tour
    First to have his team's games broadcast on radio


You could make a case that he's one of the two most important people, along with Pete Rozelle, in the history of the NFL.
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#15 Posted on 26.8.05 1225.00
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On Shula:

Yes. That should have been taken to, not won the Super Bowls.


On Halas:

He would be and is in the HoF more as an owner/pioneer than a coach.

If he weren't the owner, don't you think he would have been fired over the last twenty years of his coaching career, with just one playoff appearance?

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#16 Posted on 26.8.05 1659.17
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1. Lombardi
2. Brown
3. Knoll
4. Shula
5. Walsh
6. Landry
7. Belichick
8. Parcells
9. Gibbs
10. George Allen
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#17 Posted on 28.8.05 2101.18
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No Sid Gilman? No Don Croyell? There is no modern passing game without these two men.
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