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#1 Posted on 23.8.05 1902.28
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This is awesome-- the St. Louis Cardinals are hosting a raffle, open only to citizens of Missouri and Illinois, to determine who will trigger the implosion that will bring down Busch Stadium.

250 winners will be invited to a special "Implosion Party" the day before it's taken down (the date of which will be announced after the season). And one of those 250 individuals will be the person to actually trigger the implosion. Proceeds from the raffle go to charity.

This is one of the greatest ideas in the history of great ideas, I think.
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#2 Posted on 23.8.05 2134.59
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thats freakin' sweet. too bad i live in crappy arizona where they don't have a legit. baseball team. Oh wait, the d-backs are in 2nd place?!?!!?! lol. sounds cool, though
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#3 Posted on 23.8.05 2258.58
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I appreciate the Cardinals keeping it open to us Metro East Land of Lincolners, but could we please screen for Cubs fans? If we get a North Sider screaming "THIS IS FOR THE CHICAGO CUBS!" while s/he BLOWS UP BUSCH MEMORIAL STADIUM, I will be the really pissed.
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#4 Posted on 24.8.05 0506.48
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Oh, I dunno... though I'm not a Cubs fan or a Cardinals hater, I can't help but think that'd be funnier than hell. I'm sure if I were a Cardinals fan, though, I wouldn't feel that way.
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#5 Posted on 24.8.05 0744.29
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    Originally posted by PeterStork
    I appreciate the Cardinals keeping it open to us Metro East Land of Lincolners, but could we please screen for Cubs fans? If we get a North Sider screaming "THIS IS FOR THE CHICAGO CUBS!" while s/he BLOWS UP BUSCH MEMORIAL STADIUM, I will be the really pissed.


Oh lighten up. If that happens I would laugh, cause really it would just signify how much better we've been than the Cubs. And it clears the way for a brand new stadium at which Chicago fans can watch their team visit and lose consistantly. Hell I think it should be an actual Cubs player, cause it would be fitting that they could help something else collapse.

Ok, ok seriously this should be fun. I'm so buying a ticket.
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#6 Posted on 24.8.05 1336.27
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This is a hot topic on Scott Wetzel's Sporting News Radio show.
The 250 winners are being given copies of Jack Buck's 9/11 poem and he thinks that blowing up a stadium and 9/11 shouldn't be linked in any way.

Having visited Busch a few years ago, I have to ask --why?
It has a great location, looks pretty clean, is on the Metro line.
I just can't believe a 1966 stadium can be that "dated", especially when I sit uncomfortably in the 1912 Fenway Park.

Why not have a Cubs fan blow it up?
I know Red Sox fans who would love to blow up Yankee Stadium.

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#7 Posted on 24.8.05 1449.07
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    ...raffle, open only to citizens of Missouri and Illinois, to determine who will trigger the implosion that will bring down Busch Stadium.


Too bad. I'd buy a ticket for the chance to bring the building down on behalf of '82 Brewers fans.

Although, truth be told, I got my revenge last year...driving 8 hrs from Green Bay to World Series Gm 4 and watching the Red Sox win a championship there.

That relatively owned. :-)
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#8 Posted on 24.8.05 1517.49
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    Originally posted by dwaters
    Why not have a Cubs fan blow it up?
    I know Red Sox fans who would love to blow up Yankee Stadium.




Sure, but would Yankees fans want a Red Sox fan to do it?
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#9 Posted on 24.8.05 1533.28
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    Originally posted by dwaters
    Why not have a Cubs fan blow it up?
    I know Red Sox fans who would love to blow up Yankee Stadium.




Yeah, but I know a Red Sox PLAYER who would love to blow up Fenway, so the lesson here is that people love blowing things up, I guess.
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#10 Posted on 25.8.05 0740.35
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    Originally posted by dwaters
    This is a hot topic on Scott Wetzel's Sporting News Radio show.
    The 250 winners are being given copies of Jack Buck's 9/11 poem and he thinks that blowing up a stadium and 9/11 shouldn't be linked in any way.

    Having visited Busch a few years ago, I have to ask --why?
    It has a great location, looks pretty clean, is on the Metro line.
    I just can't believe a 1966 stadium can be that "dated", especially when I sit uncomfortably in the 1912 Fenway Park.

    Why not have a Cubs fan blow it up?
    I know Red Sox fans who would love to blow up Yankee Stadium.




Well we love Jack Buck here of course so I don't think they realize or care about the connection to 9/11 and blowing up Busch. It was a great memory of the stadium so it makes sense.

Why? Well the structure is to the point that they would have to spend a lot to reenforce it, repair it and such. So it was either that or build a new one with better seating that would be big enough to actually get an All Star game here.

Plus the new one is being built on the same site. they have put up half of it right next to Busch, and then they'll put up the other half after the season so the location and even name will remain the same. You can check out picks of the new place at the cards website. Looks cool to me.
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#11 Posted on 25.8.05 1511.04
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Since I'm paying tax money for this against my will, I think I should be allowed to blow it up, Cubs fan or no.
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#12 Posted on 26.8.05 2322.10
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It's refreshing to know that the spirit of Bill Veeck is still alive in this day and age. :)
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#13 Posted on 26.8.05 2343.22
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    Since I'm paying tax money for this against my will, I think I should be allowed to blow it up, Cubs fan or no.


Um, okay.

Ballpark FAQ

Will my taxes go toward the building of the new ballpark?

Only if you go to Cardinals games or live, work or visit the new Ballpark Village. The city's and state's contributions will be funded from incremental taxes generated by those who live, work in or visit the new ballpark and Ballpark Village. St. Louis County's commitment will be funded from taxes generated by out-of-town guests staying at St. Louis County hotels and motels.

Will the city and state be forced to pay more if there are cost overruns in the construction of the new ballpark?

No. The Cardinals are responsible for all cost overruns during the construction of the new ballpark.

Who will pay when future improvements or repairs are needed in the new publicly owned ballpark?

The Cardinals are responsible for all ongoing capital and maintenance expenses in the new ballpark.

Will the city and the state cut services as a result of investing in the construction of the new ballpark?

No. The project will generate more in incremental tax revenue than the city and state will invest. In addition, the naming rights revenue will be placed in reserve funds to protect the city and state if any shortfalls occur.

How will investing in the new ballpark affect city schools?

There will be no adverse effect. ... All state taxes dedicated for education are unaffected by this agreement.

Has this agreement forced the state to make additional budget cuts?

No. The state's first investment in the project will not occur until July 2005. Therefore, this agreement has no impact on the current state budget. Beyond 2005, the increased tax revenue generated within the new ballpark and Ballpark Village will fund the entire obligation of both the City of St. Louis and the State of Missouri. Those revenues will not exist if the new ballpark is not built.

Ballpark Facts

State of Missouri
# For 30 years, beginning in July 2005, the state of Missouri will appropriate not more than $7 million annually. This amount will capitalize a maximum state contribution of $100 million towards the ballpark development costs.

# No state sales tax revenue generated specifically for education (Proposition C - 1% sales tax), or conservation and natural resources (.025% sales tax) will be used to fund the new ballpark.

# State funding for the new ballpark will be used for construction purposes only.

# The state of Missouri's appropriation will be based on new sales and withholding tax revenue generated by the stadium project. At no time during the 30-year funding cycle will the state of Missouri receive less in sales and withholding tax revenues than it did in 1999.

# After the first seven years, and then every five years thereafter, the State will determine whether it has received sufficient tax revenues to pay for the annual appropriations made to the stadium project. If, at any of these lookback intervals, the State has received less in new revenue from taxes than it appropriated for that period, the State will be reimbursed from its naming rights fund.
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#14 Posted on 29.8.05 0506.16
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Sounds like a pretty good deal for the state, unless I'm reading something wrong. Kinda makes me wish other teams in different sports would do this sort of thing. Granted, not every team can afford it.
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#15 Posted on 29.8.05 0838.20
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I don't have time to do research right now, but everything I've read says this stadium is getting state (something like 45 million) and county subsidies, which does come out of my pocket as a taxpayer.
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#16 Posted on 29.8.05 0943.20
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St. Louis County's commitment will be funded from taxes generated by out-of-town guests staying at St. Louis County hotels and motels.

I hate to turn this into a debate about public financing of sports stadia, but this is one comment that makes me insane. The idea that 'we're taxing hotels and rental cars, so you the sweet, gentle local taxpayer/citizen don't actually pay for the new stadium.' That's ridiculous. It's not some free lunch for taxpayers.

Since the article mentions hotels, I'll address those. First, even people who live in a town use that town's hotels. Whenever a large family group comes to town, some people stay in a hotel. Think weddings, funerals, holidays, reunions, etc. There's a reason that many hotels are located far from the airport or tourist attractions.

Moreover, think of large local employers. They bring in clients and employees from other sites and use the local hotels. When the tax goes up, they have meetings somewhere else or make an adjustment so that they no longer use local hotels. Example: my wife plans a week-long gathering, where all the employees gather for a week-long conference/carnival type thing. This takes place over four weeks and is done annually. It costs on the order of $10 million. They used to have it at a posh resort hotel in Dallas County. After the arena deal, it was moved to Ft. Worth because the arena-financing tax increase had a material impact on the event's cost. I realize that is just one example, but if you are planning some type of conference, the taxes are going to factor in your decision; the bigger the event, the bigger the impact on cost. When people report on these things, they never factor in lost tax revenue and the city's lost competitiveness resulting from the increase in taxes. That is a true cost, and one that the taxpayer bears, albeit indirectly.

Lastly, if the arena is such a money maker for the government, then why would the owners cut the city/state into the deal? The owners must be making out on the deal. Otherwise, there's no way they would give the government a piece of the action. If you had some sure profit generating idea, would you voluntarily give up some of that money to another party? Of course not.
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#17 Posted on 1.9.05 0914.26
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I personally think it's a stupid thing to bitch about anyway. The Cardinals bring in a ton of money to the businesses in this town. It's not like we have a lot of tourist attractions. We've got the Arch and we've got the Cardinals. That's about it.

So in my view they generate more than enough business and attention toward our city and this state and I'm perfectly fine with helping them out in building a nice new stadium.

But from what I've read no we aren't really contributing much to this stadium anyway. It was voted down more than once by the taxpayers, and as such they almost moved the construction site over to Illinois. Which would suck for everyone cause East St. Louis is pretty much a wasteland.
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#18 Posted on 1.9.05 1613.04
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I can't wait for the video. Implosions are always fun to watch.
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#19 Posted on 2.9.05 0646.46
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Gotta wait until the seasons over for the Cardinals, so you could have a long wait. :)
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