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#1 Posted on 23.8.05 0046.43
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I'm suprised I haven't seen anyone else talk about this yet.

From the Wrestling Observer:



    - Bret Hart has said that he decided to do the WWE DVD to preserve his legacy. As hinted by Ultimate Warrior in previously reported news, the thinking was that if Hart didn't do it, WWE would use the DVD to trash Hart. Lawler, Hogan, Michaels and possibly others had recorded interviews that said negative things about Hart. Benoit was one of the only interviewees that didn't say one negative thing about Hart. As part of his deal, Hart has veto power over DVD content, and will also help choose matches, and make sure the emphasis isn't on Montreal and Owen's death, although they'll be addressed. Possible matches, clips and angles that are being considered (the list will be finalized soon) are:

    -- Clips of Hart in Stampede
    -- Hart vs. Tiger Mask in New Japan from 1982
    -- Hart Foundation skits
    -- Team Canada skits from 1997
    -- Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith at Wembley Stadium in 1992
    -- Hart vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 1997
    -- Hart vs. Michaels at Wrestlemania 1996
    -- Hart vs. Henning at Summerslam 1991
    -- Hart vs. Benoit in WCW 1999
    -- Hart vs. Steamboat in Boston, 1986
    -- Hart vs. Savage at Saturday Night's Main Event, 1987
    -- Hart vs. DiBiase at a house show in Odessa, TX, 1989
    -- Hart vs. Andre in Milan in 1989
    -- Hart Foundation vs. The Rockers at Saturday Night's Main Event in 1990
    -- Hart Foundation vs. Road Warriors in 1991
    -- Hart vs. Ric Flair for the WWF Title in October 1992
    -- Hart vs. Yokozuna at Mania 1993
    -- Hart vs. Bigelow in Barcelona 1993
    -- Hart vs. Owen at Mania 1994
    -- Hart vs. Yokozuna at Mania 1994
    -- Hart vs. Waltman from July 1, 1994 RAW
    -- Hart vs. Owen in White Plains from September 29, 1994 (his favorite match vs. his brother)
    -- Hart vs. Hakushi from RAW July 24, 1995 RAW
    -- Hart vs. Isaac Yankem from Summerslam 1995
    -- Hart vs. Smith PPV match from 1995
    -- Hart Foundation vs. Team USA from Canadian Stampede 1997
    -- Hart vs. Undertaker in the UK on PPV in 1997
    -- Hart vs. Goldberg at Starrcade 1999

    - Bret has no further plans to work with WWE after the DVD, although a Hall of Fame induction is possible. TNA had contacted Bret and Neidhart, thinking a Hart Foundation reunion would be good for the Spike TV debut.

    - DVD interview highlights included Vince saying he regretted what happened, but not taking full blame, talking about the time and circumstances being involved. Also, the WWE production people didn't want Hart using insider wrestling terminology or calling the company WWF due to legal reasons and to protect the business.


Well the ones I want to see on the DVD the most are Bret/123 Kid, Bret Owen from Sept. 94, and Bret/Bulldog from 1995.

They really don't need to put HBK/Bret from Mania 12 (already been collected on HBK's DVD) on there I think. If anything why not put their ladder match or their world title match from the 1992 Survivor Series on there?

I assume his match w/ Benoit will be Bret's world title win at Mayhem, since they did the Owen Hart Memorial match on Benoit's DVD.

Overall it looks like a fantastic line-up, and with 3 discs, I just hope my picks get included on it.
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#2 Posted on 23.8.05 0059.39
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Dammit, I can't be the only one who likes the Hart/Hennig match from the "first" KOTR in 1993 better than the one from Summerslam. It was so much more interesting, I think, because they were both faces going into it and Perfect started working more heelish, and it has a crazy suplex off the apron and onto the floor spot. I love that match so damn much.

Looks like an awesome set, though.

Jerry Lawler made negative comments about the guy who carried him to the last watchable matches of his career?

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#3 Posted on 23.8.05 0100.21
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    I assume his match w/ Benoit will be Bret's world title win at Mayhem, since they did the Owen Hart Memorial match on Benoit's DVD.


I doubt it. It's Bret Hart's definitive anthology of his career and that match was as much his as it was Benoit's. I'd take the significantly better and more meaningful match over picking a different one just to 'get it out there' on DVD.


    They really don't need to put HBK/Bret from Mania 12 (already been collected on HBK's DVD) on there I think. If anything why not put their ladder match or their world title match from the 1992 Survivor Series on there?


OTOH, I completely agree here. WM12 is Michaels' match and an hour plus would be better served with other stuff. Then again Bret has always said he's quite proud of that match.
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#4 Posted on 23.8.05 0108.12
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I doubt it. It's Bret Hart's definitive anthology of his career and that match was as much his as it was Benoit's. I'd take the significantly better and more meaningful match over picking a different one just to 'get it out there' on DVD.


Well I assume Bret found their other match significant since it was his first and only world title win in WCW, in Canada. I don't know what his feelings on it are.



    OTOH, I completely agree here. WM12 is Michaels' match and an hour plus would be better served with other stuff. Then again Bret has always said he's quite proud of that match.


Yeah, but its just, I've seen this match a million times. I'd like the chance to see some matches of Bret that I haven't seen before or are somewhat harder to find.

I can still go my local Wal-mart and probably dig up Wrestlemania 12 from the discount bin if I wanted.
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#5 Posted on 23.8.05 0115.39
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I kinda thought Bret vs. Piper would be on the list of matches considered.
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#6 Posted on 23.8.05 0141.48
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I'm really dissapointed that the match vs. Tom Magee from the late 80's wasn't included. This is infamous match that Dave Meltzer raves about (and Bret talked highly of this rarity as well on his WOL last year). As the legend goes, Bret carried this muscular no talent jobber to an incredible house show match, in which Vince Mcmahon backstage was fooled. He thought the bizzare crowd reaction was because of Magee as a performer (Vince made the legendary staement regarding Magee after the match that "he's my next Hulk Hogan"), but in reality and closer examination, it was Hart's incredible ability to carry this guy by his superb sell job. Vince and Patterson kept Magee around as a jobber for years trying to catch that spark he seemed to have against Hart, but he never achieved it again. Dave Meltzer says it was probably one of the greatest sell performances ever, to the point where management where ready to start the Magee WWF champion push. A tape of this match does exist and Dave watches it from time to time with friends, and was also a favorite tape to watch backstage about 16 years ago.
I'm also kinda bummed that we dont get to see footage of the first ladder matches from Stampede (Bret vs Kid), or Bret's WWF debut as "Cowboy" Bret Hart. The gem rarity of the dvd is the match with Andre from Milan. So far its only been available as a bootleg.
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#7 Posted on 23.8.05 0323.39
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Keep in mind, all those matches might not be on the final DVD. I think its more like a preliminary list if anything.

I remember in an interview that Benoit was given a few pages of his matches to choose from on his DVD set, so I think this list could be something similar.
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#8 Posted on 23.8.05 0659.44
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"-- Hart vs. Savage at Saturday Night's Main Event, 1987"

Oh man, this match is seven different kinds of awesome. Hart MURDERS Savage's leg.
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#9 Posted on 23.8.05 0709.42
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Isn't there a legendary Hart-Hennig Iron Man match on a house show that was Hennig's last match before going to WCW? I hope I'm not confusing people here.
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#10 Posted on 23.8.05 0858.51
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That was actually a Bret vs. Flair Iron man match. I have it on a bootleg but I couldn't really tell you of how good the match is. The video was filmed from the crowd so the quality was pretty bad and I couldn't deal with watching it. I've heard it was a pretty decent match. I have no idea if the WWE actually has real footage of it. Seeing as how Hart and Flair were trashing each other last year, I don't know how much face time Bret would want to give Ric on his own DVD set, otherwise I'd love to see the match they had from WCW Souled out on there.
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#11 Posted on 23.8.05 0922.39
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What? No Hart Foundation/Demolition matches on this tentative plan? Lame. I am excited about this whole DVD (Hart/Savage and Hart/Andre especially) and nothing with stop that, but at least give me the 2/3 Falls Match from SummerSlam '90.
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#12 Posted on 23.8.05 0930.51
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Wow ... this sounds awesome. I've already told my wife that this had better be under the tree this Christmas.
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#13 Posted on 23.8.05 1001.39
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    Hart vs. Tiger Mask in New Japan from 1982
    -- Hart Foundation skits
    -- Team Canada skits from 1997
    -- Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith at Wembley Stadium in 1992
    -- Hart vs. Austin at Wrestlemania 1997
    -- Hart vs. Michaels at Wrestlemania 1996
    -- Hart vs. Henning at Summerslam 1991
    -- Hart vs. Benoit in WCW 1999
    -- Hart vs. Steamboat in Boston, 1986
    -- Hart vs. Savage at Saturday Night's Main Event, 1987
    -- Hart vs. DiBiase at a house show in Odessa, TX, 1989
    -- Hart vs. Andre in Milan in 1989
    -- Hart Foundation vs. The Rockers at Saturday Night's Main Event in 1990
    -- Hart Foundation vs. Road Warriors in 1991
    -- Hart vs. Ric Flair for the WWF Title in October 1992
    -- Hart vs. Yokozuna at Mania 1993
    -- Hart vs. Bigelow in Barcelona 1993
    -- Hart vs. Owen at Mania 1994
    -- Hart vs. Yokozuna at Mania 1994
    -- Hart vs. Waltman from July 1, 1994 RAW
    -- Hart vs. Owen in White Plains from September 29, 1994 (his favorite match vs. his brother)
    -- Hart vs. Hakushi from RAW July 24, 1995 RAW
    -- Hart vs. Isaac Yankem from Summerslam 1995
    -- Hart vs. Smith PPV match from 1995
    -- Hart Foundation vs. Team USA from Canadian Stampede 1997
    -- Hart vs. Undertaker in the UK on PPV in 1997
    -- Hart vs. Goldberg at Starrcade 1999





Wouldnīt be a bad choice! Absolutely not! Some really great matches! Especially Bretīs matches with Austin, Davey Boy (both matches!) and Benoit!
I hope they take the Benoit match from Mayhem and forget about the Iron Man match and the LOD match as well! But thatīs just because I already have those on DVD. And I guess Iīm not the only one!
I would be really excited about those matches against Savage, Steamboat, Flair (I know it wasnīt good! I had it on tape years ago!) and the 1-2-3 Kid as well as the Canadian Stampede Tag War and the Rockers/Hart Foundation match!
Other than that I would be surprised not to see the Diesel match from Survivor Series, cause Bret always praises that one!
And WHY would you EVER put Isaac Yankem on any kind of DVD nowadays?? Take a Lawler match instead, please!
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#14 Posted on 23.8.05 1014.29
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I might be a smidge more partial to the Bret-Austin match from Survivor Series 1996 than the one from WrestleMania only for the fact that I've only seen that match once and might be one of the best matches I've ever seen.

It's also probably because I've seen the Double-Switch match from WM 100 times, and although I realize it absolutely should be there for historical reasons I'd still rather have the other one.
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#15 Posted on 23.8.05 1046.14
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I would think it's logical to put his first WWE and WCW title wins on there. But then again, since this is Bret's list really, he won't care what the DVD needs to be complete, he'll pick the ones he likes (even if it's only him who likes them). I'd replace a TON of these with more memorable matches for the fans. vs. Bigelow at Barcelona 1993? May be a good match and all, but I'm sure most of us would rather have the King of The Ring final match, since that is the memorable and historic one for everybody. Little things like that. Also, if that Piper match from WM8 isn't here, it's a complete and utter travesty. Also, no doubt a Lawler match has to be included for historical significance. My choice would be SummerSlam 93, where Bret wins but holds onto the Sharpshooter for 10 minutes and gets the decision reversed. Crowd was hot hot hot for that.
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#16 Posted on 23.8.05 1121.15
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The line-up looks nice, but I agree that the Piper match should be there, as that seemed like the match that really propelled him into singles stardom (along with the Perfect SS match).

Didn't Bret have some good matches with Dynamite kid in Stampede? One of those would have been fun to see.
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#17 Posted on 23.8.05 1123.22
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    My choice would be SummerSlam 93, where Bret wins but holds onto the Sharpshooter for 10 minutes and gets the decision reversed. Crowd was hot hot hot for that.


Oh man, I can't beleive I forgot about this one. Not only was the whole thing loads of fun, but this is a match that should be required viewing for aspiring wrestlers because of Jerry Lawler giving a PhD-level course in heel psychology.
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#18 Posted on 23.8.05 1125.00
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    Originally posted by meaty_buys
    I'm also kinda bummed that we dont get to see ... Bret's WWF debut as "Cowboy" Bret Hart.
Most of these WWE "Let's look at so-and-so's whole career" DVD's include their W(W)WF debut (Flair's did, Hogan's did, Foley's did), so I'm sure this one will too.
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#19 Posted on 23.8.05 1126.50
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by meaty_buys
      I'm also kinda bummed that we dont get to see ... Bret's WWF debut as "Cowboy" Bret Hart.
    Most of these WWE "Let's look at so-and-so's whole career" DVD's include their W(W)WF debut (Flair's did, Hogan's did, Foley's did), so I'm sure this one will too.


Bret really debuted with that gimmick? I'd always thought that it was a Vince idea that he shot down.
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#20 Posted on 23.8.05 1216.02
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Bret really debuted with that gimmick? I'd always thought that it was a Vince idea that he shot down.


Very, very briefly... I think he did a few house shows under the Cowboy name, then he threatened to quit unless George Scott could come up with a better gimmick for him, which brought about the Hart Foundation.

I could be wrong on that, but I remember reading something to that effect in Bret's (lame) book.
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