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#21 Posted on 17.8.05 0014.45
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I think a lot of those shouldn't be in the book, as they take away from things that are actually shocking.
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#22 Posted on 17.8.05 0019.39
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    Originally posted by hhhgamewmx7
    Mae Young gives birth to a hand.
    Brock Lesnar Shooting star press at WMXIX.
    Matt Hardy returns to Raw.
    Ring collapses during Brock/Big Show match on Smackdown.
    NWO comes to WWE.
    Plane ride from hell.
    Eric Bishoff reveals himself at Billy/Chuck wedding.
    Batista/Cena throw themselves out of the Rumble accidentally.
    John Cena gets drafted to Raw as WWE Champion.
    Muhammad Hassan terrosist angle.
    Shawn Michaels says ''Theres the most expensive piece of luggage right there'' to Sid on live PPV.
    Austin costs Bret the title one night after winning it.
    HBK turns on Hulk Hogan.
    Chris Jericho becomes Undisputed Champion.
    Lights go out at In Your House.


Dude. Most of that stuff just happened in the last 5 years, and would only fit on a "Here's a few wrestling related things that happened, but they dont really set themselves apart from a binch of other stuff that happened" list anyway.
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#23 Posted on 17.8.05 0031.18
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From a conceptual standpoint, I think that your list combines legitimate shocking moments with too much "WrestleCrap" and insider happenings that really aren't all that shocking.

Like: 100.) Nash Uses Rey As Lawn Dart

The 6'11" 275 pound Kevin Nash throwing the 140 pound Rey Misterio isn't very shocking, unless you're amazed Nash didn't tear a pec while in the act.

The book's a good idea, but I think the serious stories (steroids, Owen, Brody in PR, Sid/Arn, Vince/Bret, Eric Kulas, etc) should be separate from the angles/in ring activity (Foley HITC, Vince as the Greater Power, The Kliq doing whatever, LT vs Bam Bam) and the insanity (Tank/Big Al, Beefcake).

Possibly two separate books? The tone of one could be serious and the other lighter and humorous.

Just a thought.

Also, I have that Ernie Ladd/Ox Baker Cleveland Fan Riot on video and it is definitely disturbing. The fact that Ox survived is almost unbelievable.



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#24 Posted on 17.8.05 0143.32
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    Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
    I have that Ernie Ladd/Ox Baker Cleveland Fan Riot on video and it is definitely disturbing. The fact that Ox survived is almost unbelievable.


There's a great story behind that match/riot on the Steel Belt wrestling site.

Another to add could be the Jim Wilson book, tied in with Thunderbolt Patterson's attempt to run a card in Atlanta.

Plus the split between Georgia Championship Wrestling and All-South in the seventies.

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#25 Posted on 17.8.05 0150.35
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Brody should definitely be top five, and Lawler/Kaufman on Letterman is top ten. This reminds me of any of those MTV "greatest [fill in the blank] ever!" shows where they have no respect for history and everything at the top of the list happened in the last year...
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#26 Posted on 17.8.05 0838.18
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I was watching some wrestling documentary show about five years ago, and they reported that pro wrestling was almost killed off in the 40s or 50s when a newspaper "accidentally" printed the results of the wrestling matches... before they happened. Might want to look into that.

Another BIG moment that nobody here has mentioned was the Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki bout in Japan. When the greatest heavyweight (and the world's most recognizable athlete) of all-time takes on the most popular Japanese wrestler of all-time in a LEGITIMATE (shoot) fight, that's GOTTA register as shocking!

The fight was far from action-packed, but Inoki's kicks did force Ali to receive medical treatment for his legs, which probably diminshed his mobility towards the end of his career -- and thus played a role in him incurring the horrible punishment that likely impacted Ali's current condition...
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#27 Posted on 17.8.05 0915.55
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Geemoney, I'd just like to congratulate you on your initiative in doing this book. It sounds good, and ECW Press has published a lot of great wrestling books.... most recently I really enjoyed Jimmy Hart's autobiography that they published. I have a lot of their wrestling books, and I'll buy yours if the deal happens. Keep us posted.
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#28 Posted on 17.8.05 0934.01
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    Originally posted by rv581
    Another BIG moment that nobody here has mentioned was the Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki bout in Japan. When the greatest heavyweight (and the world's most recognizable athlete) of all-time takes on the most popular Japanese wrestler of all-time in a LEGITIMATE (shoot) fight, that's GOTTA register as shocking!

    The fight was far from action-packed, but Inoki's kicks did force Ali to receive medical treatment for his legs, which probably diminshed his mobility towards the end of his career -- and thus played a role in him incurring the horrible punishment that likely impacted Ali's current condition...

I remember reading about this in a magazine once. The problem is that Ali's camp thought it was to be an orchestrated event, but Inoki took the fight very seriously. Inoki wouldn't go near Ali, so he relied on the leg kicks to try to take him down. Ali countered by shouting, "Inoki no fight! Inoki Girl!"

I love that quote. Classic Ali.

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#29 Posted on 17.8.05 0954.15
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    Originally posted by whatever
    I remember reading about this in a magazine once. The problem is that Ali's camp thought it was to be an orchestrated event, but Inoki took the fight very seriously. Inoki wouldn't go near Ali, so he relied on the leg kicks to try to take him down. Ali countered by shouting, "Inoki no fight! Inoki Girl!"

    I love that quote. Classic Ali.

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Nah, actually the problem was the exact opposite -- Inoki & Ali agreed to a "worked" match in the weeks prior, but Ali felt that a predetermined bout would be deceitful/dishonest to the fans, and would thus violate his Muslim values. He basically forced Inoki into a "real" match just days before stepping into the ring... and Inoki didn't know WHAT to do. Despite Ali not being the hardest puncher in the world, Inoki was absolutely **terrified** of getting punched by "The Greatest" and spent just about the entire fight on his back, trying to kick Ali's legs.

The fight was ruled a draw.

Another boxer/wrestler bout that might deserve inclusion on this list is Chuck Wepner vs. Andre the Giant. Wepner was basically a journeyman, whose spirited fight against Ali (right after Muhammad defeated Foreman in "The Rumble in the Jungle") inspired a young, unknown, penniless Italian actor/writer to pen a certain movie that we now call "Rocky." Wepner actually scored a (disputed) knockdown of Ali in that fight -- which was the first time Muhammad had tasted the canvas since his first fight with Joe Frazier. And of course, it was Sly's sequel -- Rocky III -- that launched Hulkamania... talk about unintended consequences!

Andre won that fight, BTW. Wepner's manager said in a post-match interview that when Chuck hit Andre square in the chin & Andre merely belched, he KNEW his boy was in trouble!
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#30 Posted on 17.8.05 1028.03
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I'm not sure if this is one of the "101 most shocking", but it's definitely moreso than "Nash uses Rey as a Lawn Dart" or "Mae Young gives birth to a hand"...what about when Hogan won New Japan's IWGP title when his opponent passed out in the middle of the match? (also, I still don't know...what that a shoot or a work?)
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#31 Posted on 17.8.05 1052.06
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Ric Flair jumping ship to the WWF and bringing the "big gold belt" with him in '91 HAS to be high on this list. This was back in an era when Vince did not acknowledge the existence of other wrestling companies on air and in fact, if I recall, didn't even allow several well-established veterans to use their own names on-air (I don't ever remember hearing the names "Curt Hennig" or "Kerry Von Erich" during this era).

The "Higher Power" thing doesn't even belong. Madusa throwing the women's title in the garbage should be WAY lower (who cares? what did it ultimately mean?).

How about "WCW turns Scott Hall's real-life alcoholism into an angle"? Maybe that's more crass than shocking, though...
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#32 Posted on 17.8.05 1057.31
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Did I miss Shawn superkicking Marty? How about Damien biting Savage? And Savage "crushing" Steamboat's throat was pretty shocking at the time.

And yeah, Andre ripping the cross off of Hogan has to be in the Top 10.
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#33 Posted on 17.8.05 1105.23
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    And yeah, Andre ripping the cross off of Hogan has to be in the Top 10


The line that best sums that angle up comes from the angle itself where Hogan says almost to himself, "Andre, PLEASE...it's not happening, it's not happening". At that moment, he was saying what a lot of us were thinking.

Sometimes in stageplay storytelling, those little nuanced moments where a character speaks for the entire audience are truly the best ones.

Speaking of things that happened on Piper's Pit, The Coconut should be way, way, waaaaay higher than #82.

EDIT: There's also some angles from that era that aren't on the list that I think should, such as:

-The Road Warriors spike Dusty Rhodes in the eye on national TV.
-Larry Zbysko snaps and leaves Bruno Sammartino a bloody mess.
-The Honky Tonk Man defeats Ricky Steamboat for the Intercontinental Title.
-Hulk Hogan loses the WWF Title in the face of Ted Dibiase's twin referee shenanigans. Andre subusequently attempts to hand over belt to Dibiase.


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#34 Posted on 17.8.05 1106.29
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I dunno. One I thought might be on there was April 6, 1984: Ken Patera brawls with police and is sent to prison for 18 months.

That was big back in early WWF days (national days)

I'm sure there's gotta be something shocking with Georgeous George - but I can't remember. Get Nick Bockwinckle Fan in here!

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#35 Posted on 17.8.05 1111.24
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    Originally posted by rv581
    actually the problem was the exact opposite -- Inoki & Ali agreed to a "worked" match in the weeks prior, but Ali felt that a predetermined bout would be deceitful/dishonest to the fans, and would thus violate his Muslim values.


Wow. That's one version I hadn't heard before.

I've been told that the real problem was that neither side wanted to "lose" the fight. At one point it was supposedly agreed that Ali would lose via wrestling maneuver late in the "fight", but his handlers thought that wouldn't help gate at futute fights so they changed things up a week before the event.

Ali, for a lot of the good he has done and tried to do, certainly has picked and chosen his "Muslim values" to keep...
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#36 Posted on 17.8.05 1120.43
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I'll second that. There was a book that came out some years ago that was an oral history of the life of Ali called Muhammad Ali: His Life And Times (one of the best sports books I've ever read, btw) and in it someone (I forget who offhand) tells the story about how a worked match upset his religious sensibility in its deception, and the book went on to further explain that this was why when he performed magic tricks for people, that he immediately revealed the secret of it so that it appeased his want to not deceive.
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#37 Posted on 17.8.05 1335.08
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Not to poop on everybody's parade, as I'd like to buy this book myself...

...but how are you going to accomplish this? I'm assuming you're gonna want pictures in there to go with the text, and at least 85% of the happenings you're talking about are WWE copyright. Vince either won't let you have the pictures, or charge you an arm and a leg, and maybe a share of any sales, too.

Unless you're gonna go all Scott Keith and throw random clip art in there (although he had plenty of copyrighted pics, too...dunno if he paid for 'em or what.)

Hope you can get around that somehow...if you use WWE copyrighted material without their clearance, it's a lock that Stamford will come after you. Hard.

Good luck.
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#38 Posted on 17.8.05 1500.37
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    Originally posted by The Thrill
    Not to poop on everybody's parade, as I'd like to buy this book myself...

    ...but how are you going to accomplish this? I'm assuming you're gonna want pictures in there to go with the text, and at least 85% of the happenings you're talking about are WWE copyright. Vince either won't let you have the pictures, or charge you an arm and a leg, and maybe a share of any sales, too.

    Unless you're gonna go all Scott Keith and throw random clip art in there (although he had plenty of copyrighted pics, too...dunno if he paid for 'em or what.)

    Hope you can get around that somehow...if you use WWE copyrighted material without their clearance, it's a lock that Stamford will come after you. Hard.

    Good luck.

I talked to RD Reynolds and there are independent guys out there that I can get pictures from- he didn't make it sound like it was too hard.
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#39 Posted on 17.8.05 1502.15
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Kinda cool background info on Wepner vs. Andre:

http://community-2.webtv.net/Timothy-Allen/WRESTLERVSBOXER/index.html

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#40 Posted on 17.8.05 1535.52
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Dude. Most of that stuff just happened in the last 5 years, and would only fit on a "Here's a few wrestling related things that happened, but they dont really set themselves apart from a binch of other stuff that happened" list anyway.

Well Dude, I just gave a list of some things that when I saw or heard about them, shocked me. Doesn't make a difference when they happened, it's just I don't rememebr much when I was 7. I think Lesnar landing on his head was more shcoking then most other ''bunch of stuff that happened''.

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