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#21 Posted on 16.8.05 0326.55
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    Originally posted by CubsWoo
    but I'm gonna remain optimistic and say Ashley winning this sends a message to Vince that people don't just want pretty ditzes wrestling in pumpkin pie filling anymore.


That's what many of us hoped last year when they didn't pick the default winner; Playmate Carmella. Christy showed personality and fire from the start. Yet about eight months later all but 3 female wrestlers (and that includes Lita *boggle*) were gone.

Until they have at least four actively used women on the main roster who have better spots than splits and boot chokes in the corner there is no women's division.

On Raw:
Sounds like HBK needed a blinded car to get out of the building. I too wondered how Bret feels about this. But if he can forgive Vince he oughta forgive Shawn too or at least forget. It sucks for him, but it is part of wrestling history and one big heat getter. Nice to see Shawn actually go full out with it, it made him heelish after three weeks where we all said "He's right..he oughta be cheered for this"
Rest of the show looks to be average.
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#22 Posted on 16.8.05 0332.44
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I'll have to agree with what Wade Keller had to say about HBK's promo:

"This whole promo was designed to try to persuade Bret to agree to do more with WWE than just the DVD and Hall of Fame."


.....and a humorous, if not possibly true comment from Keller about Hogan's fake intro after the Bret Hart fake intro:

"I think someone with WWE had a decibel meter in the arena and wanted to test to see who got a louder response."


The truth is out there Scully.
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#23 Posted on 16.8.05 0511.09
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People shouldn't vote for the girl that has already posed for Playboy, what's the reward in that? We've already seen it airbrushed.

Then again I'm guessing that 5 of them comeback on television for awhile.
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#24 Posted on 16.8.05 0548.45
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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by Kawshen
      Just to echo the sentiments in this thread, now THAT is how you cut a heel promo.

      I do believe that's the first time in a long time I've ever heard a non-ECW crowd give a "STFU" chant and it wasn't "go away" heat.


    It was go away heat. It was go-away heat from na-na-na-na on. Made for great television, but don't know how smart it was for the live crowd atmosphere. This is the "only in Canada" booking, where WWE gets mad that they occasionally draw not-sheep and books a temper tantrum of insults. Shawn should have been on the show, and the heat was tremendous, but that promo was still way too long. They hate him, so they got force-fed. That's Vince saying: drink the kool-aid. They tease a Bret Hart return they don't intend to deliver. They tease Hogan and don't deliver. Do you think Jericho would be allowed to face-fuck an audience like that? Jericho "gets his" before he finishes his sentence, he's already had his ass handed to him by Cena every time they've gotten together.

    It was a great promo, but the heat had little if anything to do with Shawn being great. I don't know what anyone watching could learn from it, because unless they become involved in a real-life scandal behind-the-scenes that spills onto the live product, they can never dream of garnering that kind of heat. Great heel work has nothing to do with it. Genuine hate like we saw out there is not going to come from worked, fake angles.









I disagree. Shawn could have stood there, talked a little and got them to boo. Instead he did all the little things- -taking off his coat, lying down in the middle of the ring waiting for them to stop, addressing each chant one by one. He actually got better as it went on. Yeah, it was long, but fun. How he managed to have nothing thrown at him still boggles my mind.
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#25 Posted on 16.8.05 0653.45
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I am not a fan of HBK. I was one of the more vocal ones who was pissed as all hell that he did not put over Jericho at the PPV. I said he cared about himself only and would never do what was good for the company. And while I still am not an HBK fan, his promo last night was the best promo I heard ever. Every fan in that building wanted a piece of HBK and his heat was not X-Pac heat. It was legitimate hate. His timing and delivery were perfect. He addressed the crowd, knew where the right camera was and looked so comfortable in the ring. He never stammered or reached for the right words. He also did not curse or lower himself to vulgarity or get worked up into a frenzy. As his promo went on, I found myself inching closer to the edge of my seat knowing something special was happening now. And for a second, he had me when the Bret Hart music came on. And eve sitting home in my den on Long Island, I could feel the crowds energy through my TV.

Awesome promo HBK. I tip my hat to you sir. Now, for the love of God, wold you please beat the shit out of Hogan on Sunday?
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#26 Posted on 16.8.05 0716.39
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All I kept thinking was that accident or not, Bret's kid brother died on their watch.
When are they going to at least give the guy some kind of respect and leave him alone?
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#27 Posted on 16.8.05 0732.02
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    Originally posted by KathyNumbers
    All I kept thinking was that accident or not, Bret's kid brother died on their watch.
    When are they going to at least give the guy some kind of respect and leave him alone?


Bret may be retired, but he lived his whole life as a pro wrestler. He knew the risks. So did Owen. It was a shame, a tragedy, maybe the worst or close to it, certainly in our time. And Bret also, almost at the same time, was having personal professional differences with the company.

But we all know that last week Bret met with Vince. Pictures (unless photoshopped) don't lie. I'd be willing to bet that Bret has no problem with being involved in this angle, even in absentia, and is enjoying it. I am hoping after SS, that his column will coment on this.

And, yeah, Shawn got me too, when Bret's intro played. Was that his old entrance music?
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#28 Posted on 16.8.05 0811.05
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I haven't had a chance to re-watch it yet, but it looked like Hart's Titantron video was updated. I don't remember HITMAN being shown across the screen, a la JERICHO from his old video. Then again, 8 years could have clouded my memory.
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#29 Posted on 16.8.05 0830.25
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The ending of RAW was the way Starrcade '97 in Washington should have ended: Hogan in the Scorpion Deathlock. Unfortunately, WCW had to placate Hogan and make Bret Hart look like a big man at the same time, thus they flushed away their big moment and began their decline/plummet/fall.
I must admit I was disappointed when no one came out to Bret's music. I wanted to see if a midget Bret would be able to get to the ring alive.
Since the handicap match has replaced the six man tag match as the match to build PPV's, perhaps they should develop handicap match titles. Would be more valuable than the Women's or Tag Belts at this point.
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#30 Posted on 16.8.05 0845.04
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The show was alright this week. To echo the comments: Michaels had a good promo. I find myself appreciating how Carlito takes a bump. Rob Conway's music was better before they added all the drum to it, but it's still so much more unique than the standard rock fare.

The bad Cena/Jericho/Bischoff thing continues. Meh. I find myself going with Bisch on this one - maybe because Cena IS nothing more than a wannabe thug.
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#31 Posted on 16.8.05 0858.22
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    Originally posted by KathyNumbers
    All I kept thinking was that accident or not, Bret's kid brother died on their watch.
    When are they going to at least give the guy some kind of respect and leave him alone?



I agree the fans have really stretched this one out. They really need to stop giving Vince no other choice but to address Bret every time the WWE puts on a show in Canada.

Entertaining Raw as far as promos go, where was Shelton? Is he selling an injury for the Masterlock? I enjoyed the Bishoff idea of pretending to be from Canada. It was so stupid that I couldn't help but laugh.
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#32 Posted on 16.8.05 1022.41
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The opening segment blew my mind and sent me into a whirlwind of emotion. I was FREAKING OUT when the music hit, but then I was glad when Bret didn't show up because that would have been predictable. I think he's probably agreed to come back and wrestle HBK and they are going to do a looooong, sloooow build to it. WWE learned a lesson with the power of the Hardy/Edge/Lita angle and is going to capitalize on teases and slow building until NO ONE believes Bret will show up. Then he will and I will mark out like never before.
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#33 Posted on 16.8.05 1111.58
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    Originally posted by KathyNumbers
    All I kept thinking was that accident or not, Bret's kid brother died on their watch.
    When are they going to at least give the guy some kind of respect and leave him alone?
When the fans allow it. Which, for Shawn Michaels in Montreal, will never happen. Hell, Bret himself could have come out in the middle of the promo, given Shawn a hug, and put Hogan in the Sharpshooter himself, and I’d wager that the Montreal fans would have still been ready to kill HBK.
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#34 Posted on 16.8.05 1131.28
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I hate to be that guy, but is there some way someone could capture and post Shawn's promo in it's entirety?

I had to work last night, so I missed the first hour of the show, and my parents forgot to tape it for me. Now that I've heard how excellent Shawn's promo was, I'm absolutely livid that I missed it.
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#35 Posted on 16.8.05 1144.30
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    Originally posted by Stilton


    All Michaels' bluster about Bret tonight was just a way to get heat with the Canadian fans. It worked.

    IF Bret ever shows up on WWE TV again, it will be for the fans. It will not be for Shawn Michaels.


Showing up and having a ***** match with HBK and getting the win would be for the fans.

I don't know if Hart has it in him after the stroke though.
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#36 Posted on 16.8.05 1227.14
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    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    The opening segment blew my mind and sent me into a whirlwind of emotion. I was FREAKING OUT when the music hit, but then I was glad when Bret didn't show up because that would have been predictable. I think he's probably agreed to come back and wrestle HBK and they are going to do a looooong, sloooow build to it. WWE learned a lesson with the power of the Hardy/Edge/Lita angle and is going to capitalize on teases and slow building until NO ONE believes Bret will show up. Then he will and I will mark out like never before.


But I thought Bret was not able to wrestle due to the concussion & the stroke? Why would he even wanna risk stepping foot in a WWE ring?
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#37 Posted on 16.8.05 1319.58
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    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by Parts Unknown
      The opening segment blew my mind and sent me into a whirlwind of emotion. I was FREAKING OUT when the music hit, but then I was glad when Bret didn't show up because that would have been predictable. I think he's probably agreed to come back and wrestle HBK and they are going to do a looooong, sloooow build to it. WWE learned a lesson with the power of the Hardy/Edge/Lita angle and is going to capitalize on teases and slow building until NO ONE believes Bret will show up. Then he will and I will mark out like never before.


    But I thought Bret was not able to wrestle due to the concussion & the stroke? Why would he even wanna risk stepping foot in a WWE ring?

He wouldn't. From what's been reported over the years there is no chance of Bret ever taking a bump again, let alone wrestling a whole match. One wrong blow to the head could turn him into a vegetable after all the concussions and the stroke he suffered.

I honestly can't see Bret being involved in this angle at all. The just used his name and the Montreal setting to squeeze a load more buys for Summerslam by building the whole show to the point of a Bret appearance seeming closer than ever.
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#38 Posted on 16.8.05 1330.16
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Could anybody see Bret running in on Sunday, picking up a steel chair, and then beating the shit out of Hogan?
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#39 Posted on 16.8.05 1344.40
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    One girl leaves, and the announcers talk about the Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita “love story gone terribly wrong”. Hey, remember when Kane married her? “I love, and I will always love, Matt Hardy.” [play the Price is Right “you screwed up” music.]


Ask and ye shall receive, sir. (YTMND.com)

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    (Edit: Formatting, and made the Disco Inferno joke I didn't have the time to make the first time around.)


Do me a favor...gimme more Disco Inferno jokes. :-)
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#40 Posted on 16.8.05 1500.53
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Yeah, there is the stroke- Yeah, there are sources that say he will never wrestle again, and YET- I have the strong taste of "work" in my mouth. I mean, such buildup (In a time when Bret has "reconciliated" with Vince) such a high amount of buildup... and no payoff? Are you telling me The Hitman will not appear at Summerslam and bash HBK over the head with a chair? I dont know... it just doesnt seem plausible. Why the music? Why Shawn's messages directed obviously AT Bret? Why the Sharpshooter? Bret has to be involved! The Only thing you need to hear to know Bret is coming is the following:

"You will never, EVER see Bret Hart in a WWE Ring Again!"
-Shawn Michaels, August 15.

Well, RAW was not the highlight of the week, but the highlight of RAW- whether Conway is a waste of time or not- was this dialogue:

Hurricane: "Chicks dig Super HEROES, not Super ZEROES!"
Conway: "Zeroes?" (Looks at mirror as Hurricane leaves) "Zero body fat..."
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