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#1 Posted on 13.8.05 1420.03
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www.noradvd.com

Nora Greenwald (Molly) has put out a DVD called Shooting The Crap. I think I'll order it, but I'd kinda like to know more about it or perhaps read what someone else thought about it first.
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#2 Posted on 13.8.05 1429.49
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OO did a preview on it. Apparently it's a shoot DVD that Molly put out on her own money. However, I don't know of anyone who's actually seen it.
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#3 Posted on 14.8.05 0406.20
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An article on www.PWTorch.com does a really good job on reviewing and breaking down the dvd -

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_14440.shtml

Interesting excerpts:

- She loved being a role model for fans to look up to. She said that many in the public eye don't want the responsibility of being a role model, but she embraced it. The way she looked at her character reminded me of Bret Hart. She seemed to have the same inability to separate herself from the character, but unlike Bret, instead of fighting for what she wanted and refusing to play along, she grew to hate and resent her character and performing once she turned heel. Ultimately, that search for purpose led her to leave WWE.

- Throughout the DVD, she addresses and shoots down many rumors, including allegations that she was upset with her pay, didn't like being used in "risque situations," and didn't like the direction of the women's division with the emphasis on Playboy shoots and Diva Searches. However, it also turns out that some of those rumors weren't so far off, such as that she wasn't happy with how she was being used and wasn't comfortable being a heel, though those didn't directly lead to her asking for her release.

- During descriptions of her early life, Nora comes across as a rebellious child, but some of that seems soft-pedaled due do her desire to be a role model. For example, a story about her throwing a party with beer and smoking when she was only twelve years old is relegated to the extras.

- The shoot takes a turn when she talks about what happened when Jazz was injured. One of the writers came up to Molly and said that they wanted to turn her heel so that she could feud with Trish and Lita, as she was the only one skilled enough to lead a match and put over the new girls. She didn't want to do it, and they even showed interview clips with several members of her family talking about how it went against her personality to be a heel. She asked what the gimmick was supposed to be, and the initial idea was for her to be a female Hardcore Holly, a tough woman who wanted the focus to be on wrestling instead of T & A. She drew inspiration for the character from heels she liked, including Kurt Angle and William Regal. She talked about Angle's heel work and Regal's facial expressions. She wanted to take aspects from those two while still keeping a humorous streak.

- She cut her hair and colored it dark, as she said it was fried from years of bleaching and it fit the character better. She said that fans would complain that she didn't look as cute as a brunette, and it hurt her feelings. Her feelings continued to be hurt by the heel character. She tells the story of how she was approached by Stephanie McMahon, who asked if it would be OK for Trish Stratus to come up and tell a series of jokes about Molly's ass, including the memorable line about how it was big enough to show a movie on. She thought the script was funny and didn't care. However, her feelings changed after watching the tape back the next day, when the announcers spent the whole match talking about how fat she was. Her heart sank as knew that she had given her permission for the angle, but she didn't expect that it would be drilled into the minds of fans that this was her new gimmick.

- She felt her attitude changing toward what she was doing with her life, and it was hard to be out in the ring and get knocked to the floor and have people telling her that she was fat, that she looked pregnant, that she should go to the gym, and that she was disgusting. The guys would tell her that it was great heat, getting the fans riled up, and while she wanted to be able to put aside what fans said and be thankful for what she had, there was a huge part of her that, like any girl, was devastated by being told she was fat and other bad things about her appearance. She again said that it started to eat away at her.

- She said that other wrestlers talk about sacrificing their families and go through the travel for the moment of going through the curtain and entertain the fans. For her, it was the opposite. She loved the travel and hanging out with the people she worked with, but she hated the performance part. She said "I dreaded walking through the curtain."

- She thinks that one of the writers or Stephanie heard that she was a virgin, which she still is. She talked about how she isn't a self-righteous prude and isn't judgmental of others for what they do, she had just decided for herself to remain a virgin until marriage. She had heard in school about unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and, as she said, "crimes of passion." She heard sex ed speaker Pam Stenzel, who talks about emotional things involved with sex, as well as God's view on sex and marriage. Nora says that those things had influence on her, but she thinks that the greatest influence was girls from school who shared their stories with her, wishing that they would have waited. She said that she's also met women who are married who wish that their husbands would have been their first. She weighed different options and researched, and it made sense to her to have her husband be the only person you've had sex with. She said that she is looking forward to sex, and thinks that it will be wonderful. Actually, she said "it will be, um, you know, wild, passionate, swing from the chandeliers, kinky, whatever, great! Looking forward to it!" She loves that she'll be able to tell her husband that he's the best she's ever had and it will be the truth.

- She felt that the things she started out wanting, to be a role model and to hear the kids cheer, had now been twisted around to being completely opposite, and she began to wonder what she was doing the job for. She started to just do it for the money.

- She asked Vince McMahon if she could take some time off to step back and take a look at her life, and what she wants to do with it, and what God wants her to do with it. Vince McMahon was nice and Nora said that he could not be a better boss. She comes across as someone with a genuine affection for the man rather than just saying what she needs to say in case she wants to go back someday. Vince told her that she could take a year, six months, or six days, and that she could come back whenever she wanted to.

- She also said that a portion of the sales were going to Crash Holly's daughter's education fund.









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#4 Posted on 14.8.05 0504.23
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After reading the description, I must admit that I'm qutie impressed. Moly sounds like she's well spoken, level headed, and a lot of fun.

I'm curious to know how much action from her WWE (and pre-WWE) days is shown on the DVD.
    Originally posted by Nora Greenwald
    "it will be, um, you know, wild, passionate, swing from the chandeliers, kinky, whatever, great! Looking forward to it!"
That's sexy, in a WAR OF THE ROSES kind of way. Molly, call me :-)



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#5 Posted on 14.8.05 1217.55
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    I'm curious to know how much action from her WWE (and pre-WWE) days is shown on the DVD.


Ill go out on a limb and say zero from her WWE WCW days, if anything, there are some indy performances, and thats unlikely
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#6 Posted on 14.8.05 1348.23
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Sad to see her pushing the view that women are property of men before and after marriage. That's what it comes down to.

I hope the DVD sells well for Crash's daughter's sake. I hope she gets a great education.
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#7 Posted on 14.8.05 1739.40
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    Originally posted by ExtremeLuchador
    Sad to see her pushing the view that women are property of men before and after marriage. That's what it comes down to.
Where did you pull that from?? I read the full review & I didnt see her say anything even remotely close to that.
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#8 Posted on 14.8.05 1806.34
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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by ExtremeLuchador
      Sad to see her pushing the view that women are property of men before and after marriage. That's what it comes down to.
    Where did you pull that from?? I read the full review & I didnt see her say anything even remotely close to that.


I guess he doesnt agree with her view on no sex before marriage. I dont see a problem with someone who doesnt want to have sex before they meet their "mr right". It just amazes me that she is still a virgin. I just hope she doesnt wait too long for marriage. But, I dont think she has a view that makes her property or anything. Its HER choice to not have sex. Its not anyone else's. She just wants to wait til the right guy before she gives herself to him. I think thats pretty sweet personally.

I hope she comes back to WWE someday.
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#9 Posted on 15.8.05 0004.25
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#10 Posted on 15.8.05 0031.53
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I, myself, think it's wonderful that Nora's saving her virginity until she gets married, because I'm doing the same thing, and I think it's a lost art. I think WWE absolutely botched her heel character. The fat jokes were old before they even began-- Nora's not fat, she's just not likely to wear a size zero dress anytime soon. There's absolutely nothing wrong with "normal-looking" women-- in fact, I find them very attractive.

And the WWE Logic that Virginity Equals Judgementalism, and being a good person means you're a pushover, is probably one of the many reasons I think Sting will never sign with WWE. There are many reasons I watch WWE, but if I was watching it in the hopes of getting spiritual enlightenment from it, well, I'd be in a lot of trouble.
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#11 Posted on 15.8.05 0037.27
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    Originally posted by Kane Is Ugly
    She just wants to wait til the right guy before she gives herself to him.


Inadvertant confirmation of Extreme Luchador's point? The problem with the "waiting" thing is that men are rarely expected to do so, and even if some guy tells her he did she'd have no way of knowing for sure. Unless he goes longer than three minutes, at which point she knows it's B.S.

We don't know for a fact if she feels pressured into having that viewpoint or not. I certainly don't have a problem with her decision, but it doesn't make me respect her any more than a girl who has made a different one. I'm too hedonistic to judge anyone else's choices.

As for the DVD, she is way, way too thin-skinned for wrestling. If someone saying she's not as cute with the brown hair as she was with the blonde hurts her feelings, she really needs to toughen up, and not just to survive in wrestling, but in the game of life as well.
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#12 Posted on 15.8.05 0141.41
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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    The problem with the "waiting" thing is that men are rarely expected to do so, and even if some guy tells her he did she'd have no way of knowing for sure. Unless he goes longer than three minutes, at which point she knows it's B.S.


Not true. The guy could always "clean out his pipes" right before the big date and buy himself an additional two more minutes. : )
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#13 Posted on 15.8.05 0213.43
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Funny thing.....right after reading the article, I knew that the only topic would be her virginity:-).
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