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#1 Posted on 8.8.05 1744.16
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NHL.com article

I'm surprised he didn't get a few more games. There have been rumours, though, that Steve Moore has been making a strong recovery.
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#2 Posted on 8.8.05 1927.08
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I have no problem with this. it seems like it's been long enough.
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#3 Posted on 8.8.05 2215.14
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Explain to me, though, how being suspended from the NHL also disqualified him from playing in the World Cup of Hockey and from any European league? The NHL doesn't own the entire hockey world or anything, do they?
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#4 Posted on 9.8.05 0010.12
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    The NHL doesn't own the entire hockey world or anything, do they?


They might have suggested to Bertuzzi that since he was suspended in their mind it meant from all hockey, so if he played during the lockout they moght consider the one year ban a carry-over to the new season.
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#5 Posted on 9.8.05 0014.03
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The NHL and IIHF (International Ice Hockey Federation) have an agreement when it comes to suspensions, and a suspension from one will usually carry over to the other. The same holds true for most minor league hockey leagues. An NHL suspension carries over into the AHL and ECHL, for example.
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#6 Posted on 9.8.05 0933.19
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Interesting discussion about this on the radio this morning with Mike Greenberg and Steve Phillips. (I know - not hockey guys.) Greenberg was suggesting the "eye for an eye" penalty in that since Moore's career is over, why shouldn't Bertuzzi be out for life, too? Not that I agree, but he missed only 20 games total. Everybody else missed last year, too. 20 games doesn't seem like much for his attack on Moore.
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#7 Posted on 9.8.05 0958.00
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A lot of NHLers were playing overseas. From what I heard, he was unable to play professional hockey anywhere in the world last year, due to the agreements the NHL has with the IIHF, as Chumpstain mentioned.
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#8 Posted on 9.8.05 1022.21
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Dale Hunter got 21 games for his blindside hit on Pierre Turgeon during the 1993 playoffs and that wasn't as bad as what Bertuzzi did to Moore. 20 games is a joke.
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#9 Posted on 9.8.05 1522.32
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But the problem is that Bertuzzi hit Moore from behind and knocked him out so he fell on top of Moore, but the broken neck that's stopped Moore from playing was caused by his teammates jumping on the two of them in a big pile-up afterwards. You can even see his head bend-weirdly when they get jumped on.

That's why Burke said he's not worried about any lawsuits Moore might bring and that people would be very surprised to find that Todd may have started it, but it was Moore's teammate that acted like an idiot and caused the damage.

I'd be very surprised to see Moore bring this to a full out trial though unless he's given up on returning to hockey at all. There's no better way to spell "black ball" than to sue the league you play in.


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#10 Posted on 10.8.05 0112.13
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If Steve Moore had been the one to cheapshot Bertuzzi and break his neck, Moore would've been kicked out of the NHL for life and been a pariah. Double standards suck.
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#11 Posted on 10.8.05 0227.11
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From what I've heard, nothing would've stopped Bertuzzi from playing for team Canada except that they decided to honor the NHL's suspension. As far as playing international hockey, Bertuzzi's agent said he didn't want to play overseas in the first place.

So uh, as a Canuck fan I'm glad this whole Bertuzzi thing is over, only because it means I can stop hearing the retarded people on both sides. The only thing worse than the idiots that want some kind of presedent setting "eye for an eye" punishment for Bertuzzi are the lame brains who make excuses to defend Bertuzzi and villify Steve Moore.

I think you can make a case that Bertuzzi should be banned for life. What even most Bertuzzi haters seem to be unaware of is that this is hardly a one time mistake as some have said. Bertuzzi has a history of suspensions, which might be a minor deal in itself but they were long term ones for some things that were really above and beyond. One for jumping the bench to join a scuffle, another for hitting a ref. On top of this, I can't tell you the number of times an angry Todd Bertuzzi has turned a 2 minute penalty into a four minute double minor by bitching to the refs. I'm not a touchy feely ban fights and checking kind of hockey guy, but in Todd's case I really do believe he needs to take an anger management class. But all of this is also the reason I don't think Todd premeditated the attack. All the talk about "getting" Steve Moore was the usual hockey bluster. I'm sure Todd wanted to get into a fight with Moore, Matt Cooke did on that same night, but I honestly don't think Todd would be stupid enough to premeditate the kind of sucker punch and resulting injury. It was just another reckless impulsive action that cost him, his team, and the game as a whole.

With all that said, I think if you don't want to make the valid argument that Bertuzzi should be banned for life, you shouldn't be outraged that he's being reinstated now. I don't really see a middle ground. You either want him banned for life or you feel he's served enough. 20 games may not seem like a lot, but after missing the Canucks playoff stretch run, after missing the playoffs and seeing his team knocked out in the first round, after settling out of court on criminal charges, after losing endorcement deals, and now likely facing Steve Moore in a civil suit, do you really think missing the first 10-20 games of the season is going to make a huge difference to whatever Todd Bertuzzi currently feels? It's an empty gesture. Let the man take his lumps in court with Moore and quit bringing up every other suspension in history as some kind of measuring stick.

Oh, and how about Brad May being signed by Colorado when he's part of Moore's civil suit? That's pretty wacky.
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#12 Posted on 10.8.05 1025.10
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ESPN the Magazine's E.J. Hradek had some tidbits I didn't know about until I read his Insider blog yesterday.

When explaining his decision, Bettman points out that "this is the first time in Mr. Bertuzzi's career that he has been disciplined under the league's supplementary discipline procedures."

And, that is accurate; Bertuzzi had never been disciplined under the league's supplementary discipline procedures.

However, Bertuzzi did get a 10-game league suspension for leaving the bench during an altercation during a game with (guess who?) the Avalanche on Oct. 13, 2001. League rule 72 (c) calls for an automatic 10-game suspension for such behavior.

So, while Bettman's statement is technically accurate, it fails to address the total picture of Bertuzzi's career record. Some might say Bettman's remark in terms of Bertuzzi's past record is misleading.

In fact, a further review of Bertuzzi's on-ice history -- previous to his arrival in the NHL in 1995 -- includes an ugly incident during an OHL game between Guelph and Kitchener in February 1992. Bertuzzi received a 20-game suspension for kicking Kitchener's Brad Barton in the helmet. In case you're wondering, Barton was wearing his helmet on his head.

Bertuzzi was 17 years old at the time of that incident. We all know 17-year-olds make mistakes. Heck, 45-year-olds make mistakes. But, you wonder -- at least I wonder -- if the remorseful Bertuzzi has learned anything about that type of violent behavior in the 12 years between in incidents?


So, if Bertuzzi's really been suspended three times for violent acts (if you classify leaving the bench as one), I think he should have been nicked at least half of this season. No hockey while everyone else gets to play.
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#13 Posted on 10.8.05 1622.33
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    ESPN the Magazine's E.J. Hradek had some tidbits I didn't know about until I read his Insider blog yesterday.

    When explaining his decision, Bettman points out that "this is the first time in Mr. Bertuzzi's career that he has been disciplined under the league's supplementary discipline procedures."

    And, that is accurate; Bertuzzi had never been disciplined under the league's supplementary discipline procedures.

    However, Bertuzzi did get a 10-game league suspension for leaving the bench during an altercation during a game with (guess who?) the Avalanche on Oct. 13, 2001. League rule 72 (c) calls for an automatic 10-game suspension for such behavior.

    So, while Bettman's statement is technically accurate, it fails to address the total picture of Bertuzzi's career record. Some might say Bettman's remark in terms of Bertuzzi's past record is misleading.

    In fact, a further review of Bertuzzi's on-ice history -- previous to his arrival in the NHL in 1995 -- includes an ugly incident during an OHL game between Guelph and Kitchener in February 1992. Bertuzzi received a 20-game suspension for kicking Kitchener's Brad Barton in the helmet. In case you're wondering, Barton was wearing his helmet on his head.

    Bertuzzi was 17 years old at the time of that incident. We all know 17-year-olds make mistakes. Heck, 45-year-olds make mistakes. But, you wonder -- at least I wonder -- if the remorseful Bertuzzi has learned anything about that type of violent behavior in the 12 years between in incidents?


    So, if Bertuzzi's really been suspended three times for violent acts (if you classify leaving the bench as one), I think he should have been nicked at least half of this season. No hockey while everyone else gets to play.


Well, Flames rookie forward Matthew Lombardi got taken out by (then) Red Wings defenseman Derian Hatcher during Game 6 of the Flames/Red Wings Western Conference Semi-Final series back in the day. Hatcher got a 3 game suspension...and Lombardi didn't get medically cleared to play until mid-March. Lombardi was out of action for a YEAR...and Hatcher gets 3 games.

I just love the NHL's idea of "justice".
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#14 Posted on 10.8.05 1914.55
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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    So, if Bertuzzi's really been suspended three times for violent acts (if you classify leaving the bench as one), I think he should have been nicked at least half of this season. No hockey while everyone else gets to play.


That's only the suspensions. He's had a history of doing things including running after and hitting opponent's buses while they were driving out of the building after a loss when he was just getting started as a young player.

I think it's a bigger sign of what these guy's get away with their whole lives because no one ever wants to tell them "no". They're too concerned with how much money or wins they can get off of them, even their parents. Maybe if something seriously had been done earlier, this whole mess could have been avoided altogether.

Hell, someone finally did tell them "No" and they sat out for a year because they couldn't accept it.


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#15 Posted on 15.8.05 1433.36
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My problem with the whole Bertuzzi situation is this: I can't look at it and not compare the situation to the Marty McSorley incident, and in doing so, it's impossible for me not to come to the conclusion that Bertuzzi's punishment was excessively harsh.

Think of it this way:

Todd Bertuzzi slugged Steve Moore in the back of the head with his gloved hand (slightly harder than he probably was trying to). This action was done in retaliation for a cheapshot Moore took against one of Bertuzzi's teammates which caused a severe injury. There was likely no intent by Bertuzzi to cause serious injury to Moore. The ensuing injury to Moore that has kept him out of hockey was caused not by Bertuzzi's attack, but by the ensuing pile-up caused by the two teams rushing the scene to separate the two players. For this, Bertuzzi was suspended for seventeen months, and was told upon reinstatement that he would be held to a more sensitive standard of on-ice behavior.

Marty McSorley took his hockey stick and swung it directly at the head of Donald Brashear with high velocity. The very nature of the action indicates that McSorley intended to cause severe injury to Brashear. McSorley undertook this action without any provocation by Brashear against either him or his teammates. While Brashear was lucky to only miss a month of action, the possibility of his career being over as a result of McSorley's action was very real. For this, McSorley was suspended for twelve months and was not held to any different standard of on-ice behavior upon his return.

It's ridiculous to me not only that McSorley has gotten off easier than Bertuzzi, but also that people have seen fit to call to ban Bertuzzi for life when McSorley's action were far worse. If the NHL had found the balls to lay the hammer down on McSorley when his incident occur, I'd be willing to bet that the Bertuzzi/Moore situation never happens, period.

So lay off Bertuzzi. He's done his time, and probably more than he should have.

(edited by Texas Kelly on 15.8.05 1534)
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