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#41 Posted on 9.8.05 2159.48
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    Originally posted by The Guinness.Lanny Poffo?
    Honky Tonk man using a phone number or (PO box to write in) for fans to vote for him. When he didn't get enough votes he turned on the fans and joined up with Jimmy Hart.


That reminds me of another heel turn I liked -- Randy Orton going from "face with no personality" aka "whatta blue chipper this kid is!", to fairly consistently booed heel after his injury and subsequent "RNN" (RAndy New Network) updates. Not necessarily brilliant or surprising, but I give them credit for making me care about Randy Orton at all, even if for only a very brief time.
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#42 Posted on 10.8.05 1050.30
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    Originally posted by DarkRenegade
    My least favorite heel turn EVER has to be when Undertaker forced JR to kiss Vince's ass. Which led to the most horrifying image EVER of Vince trotting around with his bare ass, laughing, while wearing JR's hat.


I have special hatred for that moment because I was actually in the crowd. Talk about STUPID.
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#43 Posted on 11.8.05 1528.45
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I'm surprized that Vince McMahon's "GREATER POWER" heel turn hasn't been mentioned.
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#44 Posted on 11.8.05 1855.04
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Any wrestling history buffs out there know what the earlierst version of a heel/face turn was? That would be cool if Meltzer did a story on that.
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#45 Posted on 11.8.05 2052.49
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    Originally posted by SOK
    I'm surprised that Vince McMahon's "GREATER POWER" heel turn hasn't been mentioned.


I was thinking about that but I couldn't remember if it was a heel turn or not. I know that Vince was a face at first because UT had abducted Stephanie, but I wanted to say Vince had already turned heel when he revealed himself as the greater power (which made it even more stupid), but if he hadn't yet, then it definitely should be on the worst list.

The Big Show WWE nWo heel was bad, but that made me remember that I actually did like the WCW version of his nWo heel turn. At the time I didn't have the Internet yet, maybe that had something to do with it being a surprise. But I thought the Big Show's turn was one of the pluses for the nWo angle.

The Scott Steiner heel turn really was long and grueling, the only one since then that can compare to it in that sense is the current Billy Gunn/Road Dogg/3 Live Kru angle in TNA.

Speaking of TNA, I enjoyed the CM Punk and Julio Dinero turn against Raven, not necessarily surprising (and it didn't help that announcer Don West, yell WHAAAT?? right on cue as if he knew exactly what was going to happen) but it was well performed by the wrestlers.

Yes, Eddie is over huge and people want to cheer him and that did result in a failed heel turn when he turned on Tajiri, but let's not forget that his current heel turn is money. Nothing incredibly surprising or different, but he and Rey have just executed perfectly, even after the storyline started to get questionable. That's the thing about Eddie, even though people want to cheer for him, they realize he is a great heel, and therefore are willing to cheer against because they realize that's what they are supposed to do and by cheering against him they're actually saying how much they like him. Really he and Kurt Angle are the only heels I can think of that get this kind of reaction in WWE, most other heels are booed because the fans just don't like them or they are up against a face they do like.

Nobody has mentioned Bret Hart have they? I know the Steve Austin match was the double turn for those two, but I think so far everyone has referenced it as a great face turn by Austin. Bret isn't as good on the Mic as Austin is but I think he did a really well on the heel side as well.


Another heel turn I thought wasn't good was DDP turning heel and forming the Triad or whatever they were called.
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#46 Posted on 11.8.05 2100.13
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I loved face turns as a kid, because I would think, "All right, now he's on OUR side!"

This applied especially when a heel would help an outnumbered face, or when a monster heel turned on his manager/handler.

More recently, I dug the Benoit face turn in 2001. I'm a little fuzzy, but it seemed like he had a mutual respect feud going with Jericho, and Benoit very gradually changed from a cheating heel to bailing Jericho out against HHH/Austin. They subtly showed you that his respect for Jericho was shaking up his heel worldview and Benoit would add the little touches, like checking on Jericho after a bad bump. Very well done, and almost all non-verbally.

And it led to the fantastic tag title change against HHH and Austin, which is still one of my favorite Raw main events.
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#47 Posted on 11.8.05 2318.15
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One of the first turns I remember was when Tugboat turned heel and morphed into Typhoon. It was during a six-man tag match- Tugboat and Bushwhackers v.s Earthquake and Nasty Boys. And just all of a sudden, Tugboat starts kicking Bushwhacker ass. I was deeply saddened.

Don't know why I remember this particular turn. Although I guess it was pretty effective.
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#48 Posted on 12.8.05 0028.48
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    One of the first turns I remember was when Tugboat turned heel and morphed into Typhoon. It was during a six-man tag match- Tugboat and Bushwhackers v.s Earthquake and Nasty Boys. And just all of a sudden, Tugboat starts kicking Bushwhacker ass. I was deeply saddened.

    Don't know why I remember this particular turn. Although I guess it was pretty effective.


Yeah, it looked kinda fishy when everytime a Bushwacker would go to tag in Tugboat, he would turn his back and face the crowd, and do that weird downward fist and groan like if he was actually a Tugboat. The one that I remember best (aside from the Mega-Powers) was when Rick Martel turned on Tito at WM5. It was just so bizzare and unexpected since up to that point Martel had zero personality and easily lost in the shuffle jobbing to King haku at house shows. Then all the sudden he gets the Model gimmick. It's a damn shame they never had an official blow off match (unless you count The Rockers and Tito vs Rougeou Bros and Martel from SummerSlam89 (and thats even stretching it).
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#49 Posted on 12.8.05 0107.50
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    One of the first turns I remember was when Tugboat turned heel and morphed into Typhoon. It was during a six-man tag match- Tugboat and Bushwhackers v.s Earthquake and Nasty Boys. And just all of a sudden, Tugboat starts kicking Bushwhacker ass. I was deeply saddened.

    Don't know why I remember this particular turn. Although I guess it was pretty effective.

I remember being absolutely SHOCKED when Earthquake came out on some program the next week and proclaimed, "Tugboat is DEAD!" For some reason I thought he had actually died. Lucky for me, I was proved to be a moron when he said something to the effect of Tugboat was reborn as Typhoon.

Also, why on earth do I not remember that Duggan-Canada alliance that one poster mentioned earlier? Did that really happen?

- StingArmy
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#50 Posted on 12.8.05 0232.43
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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by geemoney
      One of the first turns I remember was when Tugboat turned heel and morphed into Typhoon. It was during a six-man tag match- Tugboat and Bushwhackers v.s Earthquake and Nasty Boys. And just all of a sudden, Tugboat starts kicking Bushwhacker ass. I was deeply saddened.

      Don't know why I remember this particular turn. Although I guess it was pretty effective.

    I remember being absolutely SHOCKED when Earthquake came out on some program the next week and proclaimed, "Tugboat is DEAD!" For some reason I thought he had actually died. Lucky for me, I was proved to be a moron when he said something to the effect of Tugboat was reborn as Typhoon.

    Also, why on earth do I not remember that Duggan-Canada alliance that one poster mentioned earlier? Did that really happen?

    - StingArmy


Yeah, Duggan actually went to team Canada in WCW. It was one of the major focal points of one of their last PPV's, along with Goldberg vs. the trainer from the power plant I believe. Even Major gunns had turned on the MIA by that point to join up with them. Whatever happened to Lash Larou from MIA? I just got the joke that Lash Larou was a line Harvey Kietel made in Pulp Fiction directed at Travolta. Not sure where the off the cuff reference came from though. My friend thinks it was the little black kid who used to tag along with Huck Finn, but I dont rememebr that.
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#51 Posted on 12.8.05 0311.58
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It's based on the actor Lash Larue

(edited by edoug on 12.8.05 0112)
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#52 Posted on 12.8.05 0901.26
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Sgt. Slaughter's slow face turn against the Iron Sheik was awesome when he first came out to watch the Sheik's matches, then a couple of weeks later he called Sheik out - don't go disrespecting the USA. Even though fans hated Slaughter and chanted "Gomer" at him, there was a ton of respect for his ability, and the patriotic "USA" chants Slaughter gained at the time rivalled the best of them.

This made Slaughter's later turn back to a heel that much less satisfying.

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#53 Posted on 13.8.05 0824.34
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I would have to say the Owen Hart heel turn in 1993 was one of the best heel turns, which consistently brought out good matches throughout 1994 between him and Bret, and continued througout the whole year.

The thing that made it better was the teasing of the change. Starting with the argument at Survivor Series '93 when Owen was the only Hart brother pinned in the match against Shawn Michaels & the Knights, and blamed Bret, and accusations against the Hitman over the following weeks. To the subsequent reconciliation,when Bret said he would give up his singles career to tag with his brother, leading to the Tag Title challenge at Royal Rumble, to the full blown heel turn later that night when Owen attacked Bret, which lead to the brilliant match at WrestleMania X, and WWF Title Cage Match at Summerslam '94.

Owen played the heel perfectly, and it catapulted him to the Main Event out of nowhere.

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#54 Posted on 13.8.05 1440.27
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    Originally posted by DarkRenegade
    My least favorite heel turn EVER has to be when Undertaker forced JR to kiss Vince's ass. Which led to the most horrifying image EVER of Vince trotting around with his bare ass, laughing, while wearing JR's hat.
Damn you. I had successfully managed to block that from my memory. But you just had to go and drudge it up, didn't you?

And has anyone brought up the Barber Shop Window yet?
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#55 Posted on 13.8.05 1531.38
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The best face turn I have ever seen was on an old Mid-South show. Ted DiBiase was the heel and he and Steve "Dr. Death" Williams were the dominant tag team in the company as well as the dominant heels. DiBiase was granted a shot against NWA World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair. During the match, the fans were rooting for DiBiase but mainly because they hated Flair so much. But as the match progressed, they cheered louder and louder. When Dick Murdoch, who was a face at the time, emerged from the locker room and gave DiBiase a Brainbuster on the floor. Murdoch claimed that the title shot against Flair shoudl have been his and continued to scream and yell. DiBiase was carted out on a stretcher and was on the shelf "in the hospital" for a few weeks. When he came back he was the #1 face and Williams was too by association. Murdoch suddenly became the #1 heel. It was brilliant writing on the part of Bill Watts.
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