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#1 Posted on 26.7.05 1354.38
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Story: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-padres-nevintrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

Even if the Padres don't want Nevin anymore and are trying to improve their pitching, I just don't see Ponson as any type of upgrade. Moreover, there are only 8 teams for which Nevin has a no trade clause, so it can't be that difficult to find a match. Maybe it will only work within the Padres' budget if they replace him with another bad contract, but I don't see that as any type of smart solution. Plus, I can't blame Nevin for turning down the deal.

As far as the O's unloading Ponson, I can't imagine them being able to do so without eating a lot of his contract. I think his best chance to help the team is to punch another Aruban judge and spend some time in jail so that someone else can take his innings.
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#2 Posted on 26.7.05 1412.33
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It will be interesting to see if he plays every day now, or if he's going to be a bench player now. He said some things that may have meant that the decision was between being an every day player in Baltimore, or a bench player in SD.
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#3 Posted on 26.7.05 1420.58
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    Originally posted by Lise
    It will be interesting to see if he plays every day now, or if he's going to be a bench player now. He said some things that may have meant that the decision was between being an every day player in Baltimore, or a bench player in SD.


I had heard that they're going to use him on the bench with Randa acquired to play third and Nady playing first, I believe.

As much as Nevin wouldn't have helped the O's out that much, Ponson has been disasterous this season. His MO was always that he might give up a few runs but that he was an innings eater (usually among the league leaders in innings and complete games), but this year he's just been hit hard and early and it seems like he barely ever makes it past the sixth inning. The thing I'm most worried about is that this big Ponson contract (3yr/21M) is going to sour ownership on giving big money to pitchers, when in reality it should just sour them on giving big money to pitchers who have one decent season.
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#4 Posted on 26.7.05 1529.56
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/sdg/stats/bycategory?cat=Batting&type=0&year=season_2005&qualified=0&sort=6

Nady is second on the team in home runs with 11 in 195 at bats. Sweeney has 7 HR in 135 AB. It's tough to put a guy in there with only 9 HR in 275 AB, when his OBP is .305.

Nevin is looking like he might be the Padres third best choice at first base - and that's if they don't count Klesko as an option. (Some would argue that Klesko was horrid at first. I'm staying out of that one.)

I think it makes sense to see what Nady can do. I expected him to take over third, but with Randa coming in I suppose that it makes more sense to put Phil on the shelf.

I hope Phil can hit off of the bench, or get hot and take back his starting position. Right now, he doesn't deserve it.
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#5 Posted on 26.7.05 1622.23
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    Moreover, there are only 8 teams for which Nevin has a no trade clause, so it can't be that difficult to find a match.


Eight teams doesn't sound bad until you consider that it's almost a third of the teams in Major League Baseball. I tried to find a list of teams included in his no-trade clause, but to no avail. It's very possible that the teams not on that list are the same teams who wouldn't be looking for an emergency right-handed hitter to give someone else in the starting lineup (like Palmeiro) a day off.

I understand him not wanting to uproot his family, but there also has to be a point where you recognize when an organization simply doesn't have a spot for you anymore and/or wants to unload you. When does his contract with San Diego run out, anyway?

    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Nevin is looking like he might be the Padres third best choice at first base - and that's if they don't count Klesko as an option. (Some would argue that Klesko was horrid at first. I'm staying out of that one.)


With him potentially being the third choice to play 3B, I just hope for his sake it doesn't turn into a situation where they throw him down to the minors, and he has to uproot his family anyway (unless all the San Diego farm teams are within close proximity) to play for a minor league team.
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#6 Posted on 26.7.05 1629.45
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He has enough service time to the point where he could refuse any minor league assignment and become a free agent, with the Padres eating the remainder of his salary.
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#7 Posted on 26.7.05 2144.35
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Well, apparently Nevin started as catcher tonight. That's an interesting turn of events and makes a lot more sense than a lot of things with Hernandez's wrist injury.
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#8 Posted on 27.7.05 0905.00
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Eight teams doesn't sound bad until you consider that it's almost a third of the teams in Major League Baseball. I tried to find a list of teams included in his no-trade clause, but to no avail.

I read that Seattle and the Mets (in addition to Baltimore) are on the list, but I never could find a definitive list and the site I read may or may not be credible. Also, he previously turned down a deal to the Reds (for Griffey Jr.), but that was a couple of years ago and his no trade clause might still have applied to all teams.

Regardless, the guy took a below market deal to stay in SD and get the no trade clause. I don't see how you can fault him for utilizing it. If the Pads didn't want to give it to him they should have offered more money. And, to be honest, I'd choose San Diego over Baltimore, all else being equal. Especially when you take into consideration that the guy is married and has 3 kids. The guy chose family over work/baseball; good for him.

Having said all that, as someone who lives in Dallas, I wish he _had_ waived the no trade clause because the Rangers seem to be hot for Ponson. I don't think I can handle watching him pitch every 5 days, especially considering that Chan Ho is already 20% of the rotation. Eesh.

When does his contract with San Diego run out, anyway?

It runs through 2006.
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#9 Posted on 27.7.05 1600.32
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    Originally posted by Lise
    Well, apparently Nevin started as catcher tonight. That's an interesting turn of events and makes a lot more sense than a lot of things with Hernandez's wrist injury.


And after a couple of rousing ovations when he was announced and his first at bat, four at-bats and 6 runners left on later, the crowd just completely turned on him. I guess the Friar Faithful have got Nev on a short(er) leash now.
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#10 Posted on 28.7.05 1709.44
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    I read that Seattle and the Mets (in addition to Baltimore) are on the list, but I never could find a definitive list and the site I read may or may not be credible. Also, he previously turned down a deal to the Reds (for Griffey Jr.), but that was a couple of years ago and his no trade clause might still have applied to all teams.


Nevin had a full no-trade clause when the Padres tried to deal him to the Reds. Nevin was also involved in a deal that would have sent Jeromy Burnitz from Milwaukee to the Padres back in 2002, but Burnitz killed that deal before Nevin could.

When Nevin's full no-trade went to a limited no-trade, his agent, Barry Axelrod, said that the teams were "teams that can afford his salary". So you have to figure the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Braves, and Cubs are a part of the list along with Baltimore. Seattle makes sense because it may be too far for Nevin.

(edited by mountinman44 on 28.7.05 1510)
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#11 Posted on 29.7.05 2047.14
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    Having said all that, as someone who lives in Dallas, I wish he _had_ waived the no trade clause because the Rangers seem to be hot for Ponson. I don't think I can handle watching him pitch every 5 days, especially considering that Chan Ho is already 20% of the rotation. Eesh.

    When does his contract with San Diego run out, anyway?

    It runs through 2006.








Good news for you, as Nevin will be going to Texas for Park, pending approval from good old Bud. How the Padres actually found a pitcher who was a more overpaid stiff than Ponson is amazing.
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#12 Posted on 30.7.05 2159.53
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Good news for you, as Nevin will be going to Texas for Park, pending approval from good old Bud. How the Padres actually found a pitcher who was a more overpaid stiff than Ponson is amazing.

This is fantastic news. Ever since Park signed that albatross of a deal, I've been counting the days until it expired. Christmas came early this year.

The other thing the local press is reporting is that the Rangers will send a little money to the Pads but still save $1 million with the trade. I'm not out of the woods yet because the rumor is still Richard Hidalgo (who sucks but has an expiring contract and who does bring a little defense to the table) for Ponson (on the hook for $10 million next year and a bringer of the mystical big bag of nothing).
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#13 Posted on 30.7.05 2228.56
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    I'm not out of the woods yet because the rumor is still Richard Hidalgo (who sucks but has an expiring contract and who does bring a little defense to the table) for Ponson (on the hook for $10 million next year and a bringer of the mystical big bag of nothing).



That would let Delucci have a fulltime gig in the OF, and let Nevin be the fulltime DH. Of course, that'd mean that you'd have Sir Sid on your team.
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#14 Posted on 31.7.05 0109.34
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
      Originally posted by Corajudo
      I'm not out of the woods yet because the rumor is still Richard Hidalgo (who sucks but has an expiring contract and who does bring a little defense to the table) for Ponson (on the hook for $10 million next year and a bringer of the mystical big bag of nothing).



    That would let Delucci have a fulltime gig in the OF, and let Nevin be the fulltime DH. Of course, that'd mean that you'd have Sir Sid on your team.


Well, I doubt they could've made room for that OTHER Aruban knight (baseball-reference.com)...
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