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#21 Posted on 13.7.05 2158.11
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I am also wondering if the Jim Cornette firing might be a work as well. I would love to see him on TV leading the "fired" wrestlers.


Thing is, not to sound insulting towards Cornette, but the fans wouldn't really care. Actually, I wonder how much of WWE's fanbase would even know who he is, as he's been out of the mainstream for years now. Cornette's highest level of exposure with WWE was the SMW angle and as Yokozuna's co-manager, which was about ten years ago; his greatest exposure in the NWA (with the Midnight Express) was in the mid to late eighties. Other than the smarks, maybe a handful of people would recognize Cornette if they saw him, and even then it'd probably be a case of "oh yeah, I remember that guy" and that's about it.

Besides, WWE has to focus their energies on keeping the Hardy/Edge feud hot, as they're going to lose the novelty of the "fired" Matt Hardy jumping Edge at random times. They still, after that, have an interesting feud to make out of it. You bring in Matt Morgan, Maven, et al, and depending on the city it might get a pop and provide for interesting viewing but then the next week the crowd would be dead for it.
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#22 Posted on 14.7.05 0006.46
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Maybe the WWE is going to actually acknowledge the existence of TNA now that they maybe be getting a competing time slot. They could also have arranged a talent exchange for invasion type angle. Unfortunately, this will naturally lead to Shane O Mac showing up as the new owner of TNA.

Of course like Zed, this is just my conspiracy theory.
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#23 Posted on 14.7.05 0703.56
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    Originally posted by Destrucity
    (and it did blow over; Meltzer says Hardy was signed around the second week of June, which is when he started to get really vicious; shortly before that, he had been quoted as saying he was still talking to Lita and even Edge had said he talks to Matt every week)






If Meltzer is correct that Hardy was back in the fold around the second week of June, wouldn't that mean he was Vince's property prior to the ECW PPV on June 12th? If so, that does take some of the edge away from Heyman's "shoot" comments.

(edited by redsoxnation on 14.7.05 0806)
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#24 Posted on 14.7.05 0906.04
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I sincerely doubt Spike, Maven, Haas et cetera are still under WWE contract. The end could never justify the means in terms of a payoff to that angle. I'm willing to believe there's an outside chance Bubba and D-Von is a work, but that's still pretty unlikely to (I mean, why wouldn't they have done that a year ago when they first were taken off television?).

But if TNA is smart, they would take a bunch of these guys and put them on their next PPV, even if its only a one-time appearance, as a group of disgruntled employees. You could have one consistent person stay on with the company as the leader and then just bring in whomever is available for future PPV's.

Of course, the most effective way these guys could be used is to portray them as though they're still with WWE and their "mission" is to destroy TNA (see also, the nWo), but I'm guessing TNA would just let them whine about how Johnny Ace fired them or whatever. Still, either way, its a good concept.
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#25 Posted on 14.7.05 0914.28
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    If Meltzer is correct that Hardy was back in the fold around the second week of June, wouldn't that mean he was Vince's property prior to the ECW PPV on June 12th? If so, that does take some of the edge away from Heyman's "shoot" comments.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 14.7.05 0806)
Yeah, I think he was already signed by the ECW PPV. So much for shooting. Though in Heyman's defense, he may not have been privy to that information -- he's not exactly the ultimate WWE insider.
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#26 Posted on 14.7.05 0929.10
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    So much for shooting.


Since he cleared what he was going to say with Edge before he said it, it wasn't much of a shoot to begin with.

If Matt was signed then, it does seem unlikely someone would've told Heyman.
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#27 Posted on 18.7.05 1824.18
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I didn't want to start a RAW thread 90 mins before it starts, so I put this here.


    WWE.com has learned that Edge and Kane will square off tonight on RAW inside a steel cage -- eliminating the possibility of outside interference.



Which means that they're almost guaranteeing that Hardy will show up tonight.
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#28 Posted on 18.7.05 1919.13
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    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      If Meltzer is correct that Hardy was back in the fold around the second week of June, wouldn't that mean he was Vince's property prior to the ECW PPV on June 12th? If so, that does take some of the edge away from Heyman's "shoot" comments.

      (edited by redsoxnation on 14.7.05 0806)
    Yeah, I think he was already signed by the ECW PPV. So much for shooting. Though in Heyman's defense, he may not have been privy to that information -- he's not exactly the ultimate WWE insider.


Well, at least not since they decided to keep him away from the phones during conference calls...
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#29 Posted on 19.7.05 0939.14
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    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      I am also wondering if the Jim Cornette firing might be a work as well. I would love to see him on TV leading the "fired" wrestlers.
    In a perfect world Charlie Haas would get to call the tennis racket his backup


In a perfect world Haas comes back and accepts the Angle Challenge since it's open to any indy worker from what I can tell. He doesn;t pin Angle but holds out for the full 3 minutes and gets Angle's medal. Kurt freaks out and refuses to give Charlie the medal. This brings out Bishoff who, even though he doesn't like it, has to enforce the rules that Angle himself set up. Kurt begs and offers Haas anything other than the medal. Money, autographed Kurt Angle pictures, naked pictures of Jackie. Anything! Haas says he can keep his medal if Kurt will give him his spot on the Raw roster. Kurt is taken a back and Bishoff jumps in and says no way. He just GOT Angle in the draft and he isn't losing him like this. Then Haas says, "Thanks for the medal" and goes to leave. Kurt and Bish argue till they call a leaving Haas back to the ring. Bishoff offers Haas a spot on the RAW roster in exchange for the medal. He accepts and then Kurt beats him down but Shelton comes out to make the save and the Worlds Greatest Tag Team celebrate.

Till Haas turns and starts beating down Benjamin.

The following week he talks about all he ever heard was how amazing Shelton was. How he beat HHH, how he won the IC title, how he stole the show at WM in the "Money in the bank match". Meanwhile he's stuck on Smackdown working with Queer Eye and carrying the dead weight that is Bob Holly. He reads the internet, and hears the whispers. He knows everyone thinks Benjamin CARRIED Haas when they were together. He's here to set the record straight on just who was the better wrestler, and just who carried who.


This would begin and long fued between the two and we might would get to see some actual WRESTLING on RAW.

Never happen.


This also can establish a side story where Angle now owes Bishoff for saving his medals.

(edited by Shade on 19.7.05 0740)
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#30 Posted on 19.7.05 1001.19
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    Originally posted by Shade
      Originally posted by AngryJohnny
        Originally posted by StaggerLee
        I am also wondering if the Jim Cornette firing might be a work as well. I would love to see him on TV leading the "fired" wrestlers.
      In a perfect world Charlie Haas would get to call the tennis racket his backup


    In a perfect world Haas comes back and accepts the Angle Challenge since it's open to any indy worker from what I can tell. He doesn;t pin Angle but holds out for the full 3 minutes and gets Angle's medal. Kurt freaks out and refuses to give Charlie the medal. This brings out Bishoff who, even though he doesn't like it, has to enforce the rules that Angle himself set up. Kurt begs and offers Haas anything other than the medal. Money, autographed Kurt Angle pictures, naked pictures of Jackie. Anything! Haas says he can keep his medal if Kurt will give him his spot on the Raw roster. Kurt is taken a back and Bishoff jumps in and says no way. He just GOT Angle in the draft and he isn't losing him like this. Then Haas says, "Thanks for the medal" and goes to leave. Kurt and Bish argue till they call a leaving Haas back to the ring. Bishoff offers Haas a spot on the RAW roster in exchange for the medal. He accepts and then Kurt beats him down but Shelton comes out to make the save and the Worlds Greatest Tag Team celebrate.

    Till Haas turns and starts beating down Benjamin.

    The following week he talks about all he ever heard was how amazing Shelton was. How he beat HHH, how he won the IC title, how he stole the show at WM in the "Money in the bank match". Meanwhile he's stuck on Smackdown working with Queer Eye and carrying the dead weight that is Bob Holly. He reads the internet, and hears the whispers. He knows everyone thinks Benjamin CARRIED Haas when they were together. He's here to set the record straight on just who was the better wrestler, and just who carried who.


    This would begin and long fued between the two and we might would get to see some actual WRESTLING on RAW.

    Never happen.


    This also can establish a side story where Angle now owes Bishoff for saving his medals.

    (edited by Shade on 19.7.05 0740)


Works for me. Send that in to WWE, see if they use it. It'd be nice to see someone actually beat Kurt in the challenge, just to see his reaction.
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#31 Posted on 19.7.05 1303.22
Reposted on: 19.7.12 1306.03
    Originally posted by dwaters
      Originally posted by Shade
        Originally posted by AngryJohnny
          Originally posted by StaggerLee
          I am also wondering if the Jim Cornette firing might be a work as well. I would love to see him on TV leading the "fired" wrestlers.
        In a perfect world Charlie Haas would get to call the tennis racket his backup


      In a perfect world Haas comes back and accepts the Angle Challenge since it's open to any indy worker from what I can tell. He doesn;t pin Angle but holds out for the full 3 minutes and gets Angle's medal. Kurt freaks out and refuses to give Charlie the medal. This brings out Bishoff who, even though he doesn't like it, has to enforce the rules that Angle himself set up. Kurt begs and offers Haas anything other than the medal. Money, autographed Kurt Angle pictures, naked pictures of Jackie. Anything! Haas says he can keep his medal if Kurt will give him his spot on the Raw roster. Kurt is taken a back and Bishoff jumps in and says no way. He just GOT Angle in the draft and he isn't losing him like this. Then Haas says, "Thanks for the medal" and goes to leave. Kurt and Bish argue till they call a leaving Haas back to the ring. Bishoff offers Haas a spot on the RAW roster in exchange for the medal. He accepts and then Kurt beats him down but Shelton comes out to make the save and the Worlds Greatest Tag Team celebrate.

      Till Haas turns and starts beating down Benjamin.

      The following week he talks about all he ever heard was how amazing Shelton was. How he beat HHH, how he won the IC title, how he stole the show at WM in the "Money in the bank match". Meanwhile he's stuck on Smackdown working with Queer Eye and carrying the dead weight that is Bob Holly. He reads the internet, and hears the whispers. He knows everyone thinks Benjamin CARRIED Haas when they were together. He's here to set the record straight on just who was the better wrestler, and just who carried who.


      This would begin and long fued between the two and we might would get to see some actual WRESTLING on RAW.

      Never happen.


      This also can establish a side story where Angle now owes Bishoff for saving his medals.

      (edited by Shade on 19.7.05 0740)


    Works for me. Send that in to WWE, see if they use it. It'd be nice to see someone actually beat Kurt in the challenge, just to see his reaction.


It seems like that's where they're going with this "Matt Martel" thing.
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#32 Posted on 19.7.05 1326.04
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