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#1 Posted on 8.6.05 1744.08
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Ressurecting this thread from April (The W...duh): just when we thought there was peace in the DVD this one Toshiba Strikes Back.

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Toshiba now says (Yahoo! News) they've got the tech to mass-produce high-definition, recordable DVDs (or HD-DVDR), capable of storing 15 gigs each, in much sharper images than current DVDs. (Read-only HD-DVDs will hold about 45 gigs, compared to 50 for Sony's competing Blu-Ray format.)

Good news for manufacturers: it'll only take minor tweaking to their current DVD printing processes to make these new HD-DVDRs. Hitachi and Mitsubishi are on board for making the discs next spring, when Toshiba rolls out its line of HD-DVDR home recorders. (Slightly more technical article here.) (EE Times)

Bad news for us: the format war is back on. Both these articles say Sony's Blu-Ray is a direct competitor, despite the earlier talk of The One Format To Rule Them All.

VHS vs. Betamax, Part II: Electric Boogaloo, anyone?
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#2 Posted on 8.6.05 1928.13
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There's only one player being left out here: the retailers.

Best Buy, Circuit City, Target, Wal-Mart, etc. aren't going to stand for eighty different DVD players. You'll have your old DVD standbys from ten different manufacturers, plus the HD-DVDs, plus the Blu-Rays. Shelf space, anyone? There have already been rumblings awhile back that Best Buy would demand a standard before they stock any, and if they and other leading retailers decide to choose one themselves, how would the other stand a chance?
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#3 Posted on 8.6.05 2001.29
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If Sony actually gets the Blu-Ray in the Playstation 3 at a decent price, and it's released Spring 2006, that's advantage Sony, right? Because there's now way these HD DVD players are going to be able to compete with a 300-dollar PS3, no matter how stripped down the PS3 player may be*.

*Obviously, none of the HD DVD features of the PS3 have been mentioned yet, outside of the fact that the unit will use Blu-Ray.
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#4 Posted on 8.6.05 2152.06
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The PS3 should guarantee Blu-Ray dominance. Sony knows this and will load it up with plenty of features.
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#5 Posted on 10.6.05 2038.01
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I'm putting my hat in the Blu-ray camp. More space is the key factor for me, i've heard that it could take up to 4 layers and 200GB which is huge. Is it true you would need a HD-TV to really take advamtage of HD-DVD? And what about HVD. That sounds even more awesome then Blu-ray. Square DVDs anyone?
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#6 Posted on 11.6.05 0832.26
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I'm not sure the PS3 would be the difference maker that some of you guys think it's would be. I mean, I don't know anyone who uses their PS2 as their primary DVD player (which is not to say that no one does). I have a PS2 for games, and a dedicated DVD player for movies because the PS2 just isn't that great of a DVD player. You could easily see the same thing happening with the PS3, especially now that DVD players cost about $50.
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#7 Posted on 11.6.05 1044.53
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TENKEN, how many college aged people do you know? I use my PS2 as my DVD player and I know at three people who use their XBOXs to play DVDs.

When the PS2 came out DVD players were more expensive than they are now. But here is why I think the PS3 will make the difference. The general public HATES upgrading their "stuff" because someone says their obsolete. People will be resistant to hopping onto the new disc format. But people will buy the new generation of consoles and if they buy the PS3(which has a lot of momentum out of E3), they will already be upgraded.
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#8 Posted on 11.6.05 1114.40
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That's a fair point about upgrading. As far as collage-age people using their systems as players, when I was in undergrad three years ago, we still always knew somebody with a real DVD player. I did use a PS2 in a pinch a couple of times, but most of the time when we wanted to watch a movie, we used a real player. But as I said, your milage may vary.
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#9 Posted on 11.6.05 2357.00
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If the PS3 is going to run BluRay and still be backwards compatible, I don't see how it could come close to retailing at $300 without Sony taking a huge loss.

As for myself, I don't see the PS3 factoring into the equation at all. The PS2 didn't have much in the way of quality or reliability when it came to playing regular DVDs. If Sony thinks I'm going to trust them that their BluRay drive won't just burn out in a year like their DVD drive did, they're crazy.

When the next-gen players start rolling, I'll go with whichever one offers me the best Cost vs Features scenario.

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#10 Posted on 12.6.05 0534.32
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Jeez loueez, is there absolutely any need for a digital movie format that can contain 300GB?! With that kinda space, you might as well go ahead and put multiple movies together on the same disc. Or have hellafide special features, or playable PS3 games, or the ability to control nuclear missiles, or... something.

Otherwise you've got a 300GB disc with 290GB of free space, and what's the use of that?
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#11 Posted on 12.6.05 2106.37
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If you become the head of a multi national computing conglomerate, that's the kind of statement that will come back to haunt you in 10 years.
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#12 Posted on 14.6.05 0618.53
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It's an interesting point about how much the PS2 helped (or didn't help) make the DVD format more prevalent today. When DVD's initially came out I didn't feel the urge or need to buy a DVD player because at the time they were too expensive and I didn't really see the need to go through a total format upgrade just to watch movies I could just as easily watch on VHS. But once I got my PS2, which could play DVD's, buying DVD's didn't seem like a tremendous upgrade anymore but rather "hey I can play those, and if they really are that much better, why not?" And so I guess what I'm saying is that the simple fact of having (in this case) a Blu-Ray player included with something that they're already going to buy anyway, it makes taking a chance on the new format that much more convenient and practical. Rather than, for example, having to take a chance and go out and buy a brand new HD-DVD player when the format is unproven in the public realm. It's kind of like "if Blu-Ray movies suck, oh well, I can still play games on my PS3 so no real biggie" but if HD-DVD doesn't catch it's "crap I just wasted all this money on an HD-DVD player." Not saying I favor one format over the other (don't know enough about them) but having Blu-Ray in PS3 will definitely help the format's initial success and distribution.
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