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#41 Posted on 7.6.05 1011.59
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The only people who can be drafted to Smackdown tonight (sorry, Thursday...) who can reasonably offset the loss of John Cena and create a measure of significant impact would be Triple H, Batista, Randy Orton (possibly), Shawn Michaels, or Ric Flair. Or Eric Bischoff himself. Those five wrestlers are the biggest main eventer names on RAW (all due respect to Chris Benoit and perhaps I'm being too generous to Orton, injury or no.)

There are upper midcard guys like Edge, Kane, Christian and Shelton who would also create an impact, but drafting them won't help dissipate the perception that Smackdown is second rate, especially with Cena gone. With Cena and the WWE Title on RAW, all the anticipation of Christian going to Smackdown is rendered pointless.

The illusion of "randomness" would be somewhat ruined if Batista were to end up on Smackdown this week, though they already left themselves the out that Hell in a Cell at Vengeance will happen regardless of Batista or Triple H being drafted.

If Triple H were to end up on Smackdown, even without the World Title, he is the only character with the clout to demand either one of the two World Titles be given to Smackdown or he'd create yet another World Title for himself like what happened in 2002, forcing Cena and Batista to unify their belts. That's a scenario with a lot of messy complications, however.

After every draft on Monday, Smackdown will appear to be at a disadvantage because they're on second every week, unless they draft one of the main eventers on RAW mentioned above. The whole point of this month-long draft lottery idea is to create an imbalance company-wide. Things should be weird all month, which isn't a bad thing. It's kind of interesting.

I was never a big fan of the "random" draft lottery, though. I really liked the original 2002 brand extension draft, when Vince McMahon and Ric Flair had dossiers on every member each other's rosters and were wheeling and dealing to assemble the best line up for their shows. The annual draft would be cooler if it were that way, with Bischoff and Long trying to outsmart and outmaneuver each other.


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#42 Posted on 7.6.05 1021.47
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    Originally posted by GRL
    I missed Raw, but my friend and I were talking earlier in the day about who they could draft, and I posed the question "how could they not draft Cena?" So for Smackdown, I suppose the question is, how could they not draft Batista?



It's not a Draft in that they can pick anybody they want. It's a Draft LOTTERY, meaning they pick randomly from every name on the opposing roster
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#43 Posted on 7.6.05 1032.06
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They've never really clarified how it works. I'm under the impression it is each GM picking specifically who they want, and until I see the big tumbler full of balls, that's what I'm going with.
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#44 Posted on 7.6.05 1036.53
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    They've never really clarified how it works. I'm under the impression it is each GM picking specifically who they want, and until I see the big tumbler full of balls, that's what I'm going with.


Well, actually, they did clarify how it works. It's a LOTTERY, with names drawn at random. Here are the specifics:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/2005draftnew1_0516.jsp
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#45 Posted on 7.6.05 1037.01
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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    They've never really clarified how it works. I'm under the impression it is each GM picking specifically who they want, and until I see the big tumbler full of balls, that's what I'm going with.


They mentioned a few times leading up to this that it's a random lottery and also mentioned that getting Cena last night was the luck of the draw.
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#46 Posted on 7.6.05 1048.02
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Lies!

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 7.6.05 1155)
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#47 Posted on 7.6.05 1123.42
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      On the question of what Stacy does: Nothing. The better question is replacing the what with who.
      Only a few months until Christy is on the strip club tour doing shows as a former Playmate.


    Yikes, do you get off on denigrating women in pro wrestling? (Or maybe just anybody in pro wrestling who isn't from the past~?) I mean, I don't find it offensive, just peculiar.






Notice the two women and the one man(Maven) that I denigrated got their jobs in wrestling by winning the equivalent of a game show. Didn't denigrate Victoria, the person who actually belongs in a ring. And, I claimed the ECW roster looked like refugees from a homeless shelter, mainly Sandman and Rotten. The company has been dead for 4 plus years, so that would qualify as wrestling from the past.
Specifically on Hemme: Why would they keep her around for $250k plus after her one year is up when they will have another person in that role for $250k and probably be able to pick up another 2-3 of the losers from the contest for far less than they would pay Christy? They already have gotten the return on the investment from Playboy, so why keep her around. As for the strip joint tour: How many times do strip clubs advertise former Playmates/Pets as Special Attractions? Alot. Thus, it would seem there would be far more money in it for Christy than going to OVW or TNA. Now, 12 months from now when they have an extra $250k lying around when the Mark Henry 10 year contract of death finally expires, perhaps they could use that to keep the coming years winner around longer. But, why spend $250k on one girl who already has appeared in Playboy when you could have 3 for the same price who could then be moved over to Playboy?
On Stacy: Except for the upskirts, she is useless. Has been in the business for around 6 years, so she should at least appear to have a clue.

(edited by redsoxnation on 7.6.05 1224)

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#48 Posted on 7.6.05 1157.33
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Just a few things to drop in:

1) Gene Snitsky is one ugly mofo.

2) How sad is it that Orlando Jordan is now Smackdown's #1 champ? Though I do suspect some chicanery that would end up bringing one of the World Titles back to Smackdown.

3) I suspect Sylvain Grenier, Shawn Michaels and either Edge or Dave Batista going to Smackdown.
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#49 Posted on 7.6.05 1218.20
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    If Triple H were to end up on Smackdown, even without the World Title, he is the only character with the clout to demand either one of the two World Titles be given to Smackdown or he'd create yet another World Title for himself like what happened in 2002, forcing Cena and Batista to unify their belts. That's a scenario with a lot of messy complications, however.



I'm assuming that the entire point of the contract signing (since there was an incredible lack of 'post-contract-beatdowns') was that either Batista or Triple H WILL be going to Smackdown. The contract is signed, so regardless of what show their on they're going to have the match, and the guy who ends up going to Smackdown will be the winner so he can bring the belt with him.


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(edited by Tribal Prophet on 7.6.05 1018)
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#50 Posted on 7.6.05 1219.13
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It really shouldn't require chicanery to get the title back to Smackdown. Long should be well within his rights to strip Cena of the title due to his being drafted (on account of it would render him unable to defend the title at the specified request of the general manager). You could even make a big angle out of it, where Cena is trying to get back to Smackdown before they strip him of the title
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#51 Posted on 7.6.05 1225.57
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    It really shouldn't require chicanery to get the title back to Smackdown. Long should be well within his rights to strip Cena of the title due to his being drafted (on account of it would render him unable to defend the title at the specified request of the general manager). You could even make a big angle out of it, where Cena is trying to get back to Smackdown before they strip him of the title


Even if Cena lost the offical belt, he's got the Bling Belt to carry. Like the Hardcore or Million Dollar Belts.
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#52 Posted on 7.6.05 1231.30
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Cena was really on last night, it was nice to see continuity and "the edge" back in his promos. I hope that HHH realizes that he needs to stay away from Cena that is their (meaning his and Steph's) mealticket for years to come.

My hope is that somehow, Christian wins the WWE belt and brings it back to SD! as the last lotto pick. Him walking around declaring he is "the Savior of SD!" would be classic. I would have a huge celebration and bring back the raining sparks to his intro when this happens.

You have to admit that promo skills are excellent and he won't be hampered by the "kiddie effect" in his promos like Cena was there. They could then work out some gimmick where Tomko is employed by Christian and not the WWE, thus he follows Tomko over to SD!.

The idea about Rob Conway would be a great one. I think Shelton (if he had lost the IC belt last night) would probably be the best pick for this. I have no idea what Conway is like really (meaning personality-wise) and I think Shelton, for some reason, would be easier for the fans to connect to (there is just something really likeable about the guy).
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#53 Posted on 7.6.05 1235.23
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http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/

John Cena is listed as a RAW Superstar and it notes that the WWE Championship is now RAW property. Orlando Jordan is the top champion on Smackdown. This answers the question of whether the titles are properties of the respective brands. Apparently, they are not. A drafted champion seems to take this title with him and the brand left behind loses the wrestler and the title.

The only reason to do this kind of asinine thing would be to create the opportunity to switch the title belts for the shows. The possibility is strong that the winner of the Hell in a Cell will end up being drafted to Smackdown and take the World Title with him. I don't know what the point would be to switch championships like that, but it was long rumored to happen if you read the Observer, Torch or PWInsider.

The thing about switching the World Titles is it screws up the tag team titles. If the World Title becomes Smackdown property, do MNM become World Tag Team Champions and not WWE Tag Team Champions all of a sudden? Do Rosey and Hurricane become WWE Tag Team Champions? It creates a big dumb mess, which is why I hope they don't do this sort of thing.

I just don't see the upside.

(edited by John Orquiola on 7.6.05 1036)
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#54 Posted on 7.6.05 1246.55
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Notice the two women and the one man(Maven) that I denigrated got their jobs in wrestling by winning the equivalent of a game show.
I dislike Christy as much as anyone, but I never understood this logic. WWE hires people all the time based on some seemingly irrelevant qualification -- they were big on American Gladiators, maybe, or they were a fitness model, or their dad was in the business. Why is winning a wrestling contest somehow a lesser qualification?
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#55 Posted on 7.6.05 1252.22
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    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Notice the two women and the one man(Maven) that I denigrated got their jobs in wrestling by winning the equivalent of a game show.
    I dislike Christy as much as anyone, but I never understood this logic. WWE hires people all the time based on some seemingly irrelevant qualification -- they were big on American Gladiators, maybe, or they were a fitness model, or their dad was in the business. Why is winning a wrestling contest somehow a lesser qualification?


As far as their "Dad being in the business" I can kind of see the logic. They might be thinking that they would have been taught by Dad...of course this didn't always carry through. See David's Sammartino and Flair.

As far as Cena goes...he has charisma, a good look and isn't awful in the ring (shitty punches aside). I really like the modified FU that he's been using as of late too.

His current shtick works much better on RAW where he isn't hampered by a younger skewing audience like Smackdown. Conversely, if he screws up a promo he doesn't have the magic of editing to help him. Time will tell...
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#56 Posted on 7.6.05 1252.24
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    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Notice the two women and the one man(Maven) that I denigrated got their jobs in wrestling by winning the equivalent of a game show.
    I dislike Christy as much as anyone, but I never understood this logic. WWE hires people all the time based on some seemingly irrelevant qualification -- they were big on American Gladiators, maybe, or they were a fitness model, or their dad was in the business. Why is winning a wrestling contest somehow a lesser qualification?


I think the disdain comes not from winning the contest, but the WWE firing competent wrestlers to make room for incompetent ones. Ys, Maven has improved, but couldn't anyone who already knew how to wrestle do what he is?
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#57 Posted on 7.6.05 1313.50
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/

    John Cena is listed as a RAW Superstar and it notes that the WWE Championship is now RAW property. Orlando Jordan is the top champion on Smackdown. This answers the question of whether the titles are properties of the respective brands. Apparently, they are not. A drafted champion seems to take this title with him and the brand left behind loses the wrestler and the title.

    The only reason to do this kind of asinine thing would be to create the opportunity to switch the title belts for the shows. The possibility is strong that the winner of the Hell in a Cell will end up being drafted to Smackdown and take the World Title with him. I don't know what the point would be to switch championships like that, but it was long rumored to happen if you read the Observer, Torch or PWInsider.

    The thing about switching the World Titles is it screws up the tag team titles. If the World Title becomes Smackdown property, do MNM become World Tag Team Champions and not WWE Tag Team Champions all of a sudden? Do Rosey and Hurricane become WWE Tag Team Champions? It creates a big dumb mess, which is why I hope they don't do this sort of thing.

    I just don't see the upside.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 7.6.05 1036)


This whole business of switching the champions is stupid. I know that WWE doesn't care about making the titles mean something, but I think that they should. If the World Title and the WWE Title are on the same show, what is the difference between the two? At least before, one title made you the best wrestler on Smackdown and the other made you the best wrestler on Raw. Imagine if the WCW Champion and WWF Champion would have switched companies in 1997. For the Brand Split to work, people have to believe that Raw and Smackdown are as different as WWF and WCW, not interchangeable parts under the WWE umbrella.
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#58 Posted on 7.6.05 1320.05
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What if ...

Jericho turns on Cena in the tag match last week, thus setting up a match between the two at Vengenance. Jericho wins the title & takes it back to Smackdown.
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#59 Posted on 7.6.05 1341.45
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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Destrucity
        Originally posted by redsoxnation
        Notice the two women and the one man(Maven) that I denigrated got their jobs in wrestling by winning the equivalent of a game show.
      I dislike Christy as much as anyone, but I never understood this logic. WWE hires people all the time based on some seemingly irrelevant qualification -- they were big on American Gladiators, maybe, or they were a fitness model, or their dad was in the business. Why is winning a wrestling contest somehow a lesser qualification?


    I think the disdain comes not from winning the contest, but the WWE firing competent wrestlers to make room for incompetent ones. Ys, Maven has improved, but couldn't anyone who already knew how to wrestle do what he is?
Yeah, they could. But would the person they found for that job be willing to get squashed every week? Would that be the best use of their talents? And how much are they getting paid relative to Maven?

Would you honestly be happier if it were Matt Hardy out there getting squashed? Or would you be disappointed that he wasn’t doing something better?

(edited by Phantom on 7.6.05 1143)
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#60 Posted on 7.6.05 1355.49
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    Originally posted by Phantom
    Yeah, they could. But would the person they found for that job be willing to get squashed every week? Would that be the best use of their talents? And how much are they getting paid relative to Maven?

    Would you honestly be happier if it were Matt Hardy out there getting squashed? Or would you be disappointed that he wasn’t doing something better?


How would we know what Maven's getting paid and how that compares to other performers? He can't be making main-event money, but he also can't be earning any royalty money from merchandise; he has none. Would anyone working in Maven's spot necessarily get squashed? I suspect Maven is in the position he is (and has been) because he hasn't improved that much as a performer or on the mic. He's got a good dropkick and he had a great finisher in a singles match with Hurricane a few months back. But he's nondescript everywhere else. And the rest of the TE winners have even had less of an impact.

But I don't begrudge the TE winners as much as I'm disappointed that the WWE has either fired or driven away quality female wrestlers in favor of cheesecake -in-training. And Christy's signature split spots have already been matched by SD's Melina.
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