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#1 Posted on 16.4.02 2231.13
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I've been watching RVD for a while now, and I think the novelty has worn off. Aside from the dazzling highspots (like that leaping drop kick thingy from Raw), I think RVDs offense is the fakest looking I've seen since, hmmmm, well ever... His forearms and punches on Raw were horrid, his kicks don't look all that damaging either. So, I don't get RVD at all. Is he really that good? What was he like in ECW? Was he any better? Am I the only one who dislikes this guy?
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#2 Posted on 16.4.02 2243.41
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I'm not the biggest fan of his flip/flop offense, because half the time I find myself thinking "Why doesn't his opponent hit him/move/do both" But, it seems lately that he has toned down that style of offense and that he does miss some of the hotshot moves. We're not seeing a Van Damnitor in every match, and that's a good thing. I'm happy that he seems to be adopting a more fluent in ring style, but I understand the need to keep some of his flashy offense to made him RVD
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#3 Posted on 17.4.02 0305.45
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I don't really see the need to sell anyone on RVD. If you couldn't find a single thing enjoyable about the RVD-Jeff Hardy matches at InVasion and SummerSlam, I ain't got time for ya.
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#4 Posted on 17.4.02 0520.35
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He used to be worse. He seems a lot more flexible now in working with wrestlers of different styles, and his matches make a lot more sense in a wrestling context. But I think his biggest pluses are outside the ring, like his charisma. He's probably the model for what the WWF is looking for in this decade. Well, him and Brock Lesnar.
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#5 Posted on 17.4.02 0754.32
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I'll say this, during his run in ECW I couldn't stand him for various reasons, but mainly because he was given a lot more credit than he deserved in his matches. His matches were repetitive and against the same four to five people. His fans, at the time, thought it was cool to chant for RVD more because of his being a pot-head, than having in-ring ability. Now while he was good in ECW, I don't think he was as great as his fans made him out to be.

When he jumped to the WWF I didn't think he'd last, mainly because he wouldn't be able to do the same gimmick he had in ECW. And while his character has suffered without being able to do the pot-head stuff, his in-ring work has improved with having to work with a wider variety of people ranging in talent from being very good (Jericho) to being a useless stiff (Taker).

While I still think he has a way to go, he has vastly improved since his coming to the WWF, and is a person that I admit to now looking forward to seeing when he gets in the ring. This might not be a good sell-job on RVD, but this is the best I could do.
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#6 Posted on 17.4.02 0808.04
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    Originally posted by StampedeFan23
    I've been watching RVD for a while now, and I think the novelty has worn off. Aside from the dazzling highspots (like that leaping drop kick thingy from Raw), I think RVDs offense is the fakest looking I've seen since, hmmmm, well ever... His forearms and punches on Raw were horrid, his kicks don't look all that damaging either. So, I don't get RVD at all. Is he really that good? What was he like in ECW? Was he any better? Am I the only one who dislikes this guy?

    My 2 cents...


His strikes are truly pathetic, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. He does one spot I can only describe as "mini kicks" which makes me laugh out loud every time I see it.
That being said, I wouldn't loathe him so much if he did an actual wrestling move as opposed to nothing but (bad) strikes and backflips. But his appeal, as limited as it is, serves it's purpose. He's currently overpushed since he's boys with the booker, but there are much worse people out there (Spike Dudley, D'Von Dudley) also recieving pushes.
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#7 Posted on 17.4.02 0959.04
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So far, I've essentially heard a few variations of "RVD can't punch" as the reason for him not being a good wrestler. I've got to say I agree, but the good points outweigh this if you ask me.

1) RVD can bump and sell great (I know I'll get some disagreement on the sell part). Plus he'll sell in the context of the flow of the match ("psychology" or whatever).

2) The rest of his basic offense, with the possible exception of the always-idiotic monkey flip, looks pretty good to me.

3) he's not only doing a great job of structuring his matches WWF-style, he's also doing them one better and (like the Rock does also) adding a new spot here and there just to keep everyone from getting bored. When was the last time Jeff Hardy did that (no, the "Side-Effect" doesn't count)?

As for the dazzeling highspots, RVD hasn't really done that much that would be considered one of his "dazzling highspots" on Raw. Somesault Senton into the crowd is a dazzling highspot. Van Terminator is one too. Press into a dropkick is just a cool move that came about in the flow of the match.

The problem with highspots is that they usually don't get set up well or aren't done as part of the flow of the match. RVD used to be really guilty of this. Now however, he's really good at incorporating everything in the flow of the match. Come on, did you see that press/drop kick coming?

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#8 Posted on 17.4.02 1250.29
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The differences between ECW RVD and WWF RVD are:

1) In the WWF, RVD isn't being asked to wrestle 25-minute matches. More like five, maybe ten on PPVs. He can get in, do the things he does well and get out, without having to fill twenty minutes with mannerisms and brawling.

2) In the WWF, RVD isn't wrestling with and/or against Sabu. This helps minimize his past reliance on foreign objects, chairs and spots that take three minutes to set up.

3) In the WWF, RVD has noticeably toned down many of his gymnastic embellishments. (See #1.)

4) In the WWF, RVD loses once in a while, thus lending some variety to his matches.

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#9 Posted on 17.4.02 1258.42
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Sell yourself on RVD.

If you can't then you just don't like him, which is a perfectly acceptable alternative.

Personally, I like him. Yes, his punches and kicks lack impact, but he's an extremely gifted athlete and good at setting up and hitting unusual looking moves. He's entertaining, which is all that I really ask for.
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#10 Posted on 17.4.02 1347.27
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I've been a fan of him since he came to the WWF, and have since gone back and watched some of his ECW stuff.

So from someone who's only recently become a fan, I point to his interesting offense, good look and the always-entertaining, "I don't give a shit" personality. I've been impressed with the way that he just seems naturally over, without having to rely on funny promos or an elaborate intro. Fans just react to him. And I think it's because he can do things that are impossible for the average person to physically accomplish.

And yeah, his punches (forearms) are weak, and the kicks are soft, but didn't he have to tone them down because he was busting everybody open?
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#11 Posted on 17.4.02 2318.14
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No, that was just about kicking people in the face with chairs. That made people bleed. But he should definately leave the 'mini-kicks to the midsection' to Tajiri, because he can't do it worth shit. And is it RVD's fault that the crossover spinning heel kick is really really slow, or the guy he's wrestling with? Besides that I like RVD fine.

-Jaguar

Except when he wrestles really short matches, and wins with the 5-star frogsplash. That gets really old.
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#12 Posted on 17.4.02 2343.58
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Here's something about Van Dam that no one has touched yet.

He's the master of the non-promo. When told that he gets to fight the Undertaker, he mulls it over, shrugs his shoulders, and says, "Cool".

Gotta hand it to the man, the "laid back" promo is pretty damn unique.
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#13 Posted on 18.4.02 0254.34
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You gotta like a guy who, when told he's facing someone insane like The Big Show, simply shrugs his shoulders and says, “Cool.” Must be great to have that level of confidence.

Yet he backs it up in the ring at the same time. He uses the same basic strategy against a small guy as he would a much bigger guy. And even when he loses, he's like, “No problem.” So in a way, the stoner gimmick lives a little bit because he's just sooooo laid back.

But let's talk about RVD's unique style really quick. Sure, not everyone likes it. I do like it. A lot of fans like it. The thing is, not everyone can be a technical wrestler like Chris Benoit or Lance Storm. Not everyone can be a brawler like Steve Austin or The Undertaker. And quite frankly, if every wrestler fell into one of those two categories, it'd get boring after awhile. It's the uniqueness of guys like RVD and Jeff Hardy (and on the opposite side of the scale, William Regal) that make wrestling great. Diversity rules.
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#14 Posted on 18.4.02 0954.57
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Very true, Eke. I've been an RVD fan since mid-96, and his style hasn't changed a lot. The biggest change was when he started the WWF punching and kicking in between moves, I thought, "ugh, this is NOT his style at all." I feel he should do more sweeps, and kicks to extremeties. But, in the WWF, one can't go right from move to move, and forget about long sequences, this ain't Japan or Mexico...
Still, I'm glad to see that his style, although abbreviated, is still relatively unchanged. True, the highspots have been almost nonexistant(remember all those moves off the turnbuckles to ringside, and sometimes into the crowd?), mainly due to the time it takes to set up, and the potential to damage others(fans). I am sure we'll be seeing more VanDaminator variations, as well as the VanTerminator. Now, if he could get some mic time, he really isn't that bad, especially compared to other upper-mid carders.
Trust me, we haven't seen one tenth of what this dude is capable of...
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#15 Posted on 18.4.02 2146.34
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Thanks for replying everyone. Seems to me that the WWF should work on getting RVD a character to work with. I've only seen him do the "cool" personality a couple of times now. Right now, he's Jeff Hardy without the funky haircuts (BTW, that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing)
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#16 Posted on 18.4.02 2149.37
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    Originally posted by StampedeFan23
    Thanks for replying everyone. Seems to me that the WWF should work on getting RVD a character to work with. I've only seen him do the "cool" personality a couple of times now. Right now, he's Jeff Hardy without the funky haircuts (BTW, that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing)


So they have sold him on ya?
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#17 Posted on 19.4.02 1435.03
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Well, for one he's been involved in the best matches on either RAW or Smackdown for the last couple of weeks. He kept a good match with a man with a totally different style flowing for 9 minutes when he wrestled the Undertaker. He's learned to use pshcologoy and uses it better than a lot of wrestlers already. He's also in the only match that intrests me on the Backlash card...the dream match with Eddy Guerreo.

RVD has the smae internet stigma the Rock had a couple years ago. The fans love him a number of internet faithful bash him at every turn.
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#18 Posted on 19.4.02 2248.45
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I'll give him credit, he's got some chops. His match with the Undertaker a couple of weeks ago was great. I didn't think those two could mesh but they did. As far as I know, RVD was busting folks open with his kicks, but that doesn't mean he has to make them look fake. If the Undertaker can throw those huge soupbones and make them look real, then RVD can work on those kicks. I'll keep watching him, but, to me, he is just a spotfest, which I'm not big on. Bring on Lance Storm!
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#19 Posted on 20.4.02 2154.10
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Oh, man, the best part is that he points to himself all the time! With his THUMBS! Give that man the Undisputed Title!

EDIT: He also pisses himself before he wrestles.

(edited by Mack Salmon on 21.4.02 1444)
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#20 Posted on 20.4.02 2242.13
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    Oh, man, the best part is that he points to himself all the time! With his THUMBS! Give that man the Undisputed Title!


I don't know it sure beats spitting water and cupping your hand to you ear,.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 20.4.02 2343)
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