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#1 Posted on 9.5.05 1403.05
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http://www.unrealid.com/index.html

I urge you to contact your representative and express your distress with this issue.

If we need this kind of identification, let's do this in the open and not slap it on a bill to fund the armed services.
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#2 Posted on 9.5.05 1618.56
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    http://www.unrealid.com/index.html

    I urge you to contact your representative and express your distress with this issue.

    If we need this kind of identification, let's do this in the open and not slap it on a bill to fund the armed services.


Guru--Thanks for the heads up. That type of manuvering makes me insane. Of course, it REALLY makes me insane when they're using to try and push through a terrible policy like a national id.

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#3 Posted on 10.5.05 0625.11
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    Originally posted by Corajudo
    That type of manuvering makes me insane. Of course, it REALLY makes me insane when they're using to try and push through a terrible policy like a national id.


Best part is that the law will actually undo some of the advances that some states have enacted since 9/11.
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#4 Posted on 10.5.05 0652.35
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I've also read that is they can't enact this type of legislation, they will attempt to give Congress the power to regulate Driver's Licenses in order to make them uniform across the states and require proof of citizenship in order to use it at airports, etc. Under this proposal, they would also create a DL that ONLY allowed you to drive but could not be used at Airports, etc (for green card workers, for example.). Currently, seven states do not require you to prove citizenship to obtain a DL.
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#5 Posted on 10.5.05 0658.14
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First the "war" on drugs was used to erode our constitutional freedoms and we go along. Then the Patriot act in the name of security. Now this. I am much more concerned about issues like this than anything a terrorist can do.
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#6 Posted on 10.5.05 0817.27
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Here (arstechnica.com) is a brief commentary about another part of the bill affecting the process of judicial review. The more I hear about this the more it sounds like someone is really trying to pull a fast one. Would now be a good time to link here (eff.org)?
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#7 Posted on 10.5.05 1830.35
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Oops, too late. Or at least attention now needs to be turned toward President Bush. It passed the Senate:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20050510/pl_usnw/sensenbrenner_statement_on_senate_s_passage_of_real_id_legislation__measure_now_goes_to_bush_for_his_signature165_xm

I'm not sure I would be totally against some form of National ID if it was done right. After all, like it or not, things like addresses and phone numbers are pretty much a matter of public record and are not that hard to find on anybody as long as you have access to the internet. Also, I don't know about you, but I have to use my driver's license and/or social security number a LOT to do much of anything. In a sense, those are already serving as "National ID's".

Of course, since I said "done right", that pretty much rules out the government, as I'm sure they would want to collect too much information and then fail to protect it. Also, from the websites linked above, it appears that this will be linked to driver licenses somehow, which would defeat part of the purpose of this I would think (which would be to replace driver licenses as a proof of residency, since less states are requiring proof of residency to get the driver's license in the first place)

And then what I truly despise is how this act was tacked on to an unrelated "support the troops" bill. Of course, whether you would be for this or not, this is a big enough deal that it deserves its own debate and vote. I absolutely hate the tactic of tacking on leglislation to a bill that everyone will be afraid to go against because opponents can make it look like those voting against are against the main bill (ie in this case, against the troops) For this reason alone, in my opinion, the bill should be vetoed and Bush should demand a clean bill that only includes the spending appropriations for the troops, and let the National ID be debated separately.
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#8 Posted on 10.5.05 1927.18
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From a "Rights" perspective, any ID system that is not opt-in restricts the rights of those who wish to remain anonymous. We can argue all day about whether there are any entirely above-the-law reasons why anyone would want to remain anonymous and maybe even whether or not it should be a "right," but there are people who believe it is...

That said, any centralized, complete (as far as population goes), and legislated ID database immediately becomes target number one for every organization, domestic or international, that's ever wanted a piece of America or the American government. If it's kept electronically, good luck. Best case scenario is that it's kept on paper and only accessed by humans. Even then, there are no guarantees about the security of queries against it. We all know that's not the way it'll go.

A probably overdone but funny picture of what it could mean to one's daily life is here (albinoblacksheep.com). Obviously, the government's not going to sell the data, but what happens when data warehousing firms are suddenly able to link information with a unique ID?

Lastly, this is a genie that won't go back into the bottle. The day it becomes a reality is the day you can kiss your privacy goodbye. At least now personal identity information has to be stolen in bits and pieces from various places; the database that would surely be behind the card system would be a one-stop shop for identity thieves. And once your private information becomes public, the only hope is to change it and pray there's no "a.k.a." or "alias" table in the database.
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#9 Posted on 10.5.05 2014.13
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And state Governor's are complaining about the costs of the new system also:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/May/20050510News011.asp

Some of it might be political maneuvering by the Governors, but costs are an issue. You simply can't pass expensive, unfunded mandates when the states are already struggling with their budgets already.
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#10 Posted on 11.5.05 0701.52
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    Originally posted by messenoir
    You simply can't pass expensive, unfunded mandates when the states are already struggling with their budgets already.


While I agree with the sentiment, you've got to be kidding. Both parties are famous for not funding or underfunding mandates (see No Child Left Behind) and letting states deal with the mess.

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