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#1 Posted on 7.4.05 0944.04
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Just tell me why Robin's head is on a pig's body, that's all I wanna know ...

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#2 Posted on 7.4.05 1330.25
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    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Just tell me why Robin's head is on a pig's body, that's all I wanna know ...




The Super-Friends are facing animal versions of themselves.
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#3 Posted on 7.4.05 1405.38
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
      Originally posted by Alessandro
      Just tell me why Robin's head is on a pig's body, that's all I wanna know ...




    The Super-Friends are facing animal versions of themselves.


I think the question is more of why Superman gets a winged lizardy thing, Wonder Woman gets an octopus with lobster claws, and Batman gets a four armed gorilla, when all Robin gets is a wussy pig.

The pig reminds me of the relatively new Skittles commercial with the sheepboys.
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#4 Posted on 7.4.05 1420.55
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Apparently, Robin's gets the bad side of these covers. In this one, everyone else is fighting a Superfriend, but Robin has to fight a puppet, one of which is already broken on the ground.

Robin's a wimp.

This reminds me of that Batman is a Dick website that was on here before. (If I am not lazy, I'll search and link it)
http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=24550

(edited by AWArulz on 7.4.05 1522)
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#5 Posted on 7.4.05 1427.58
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Apparently, Robin's gets the bad side of these covers. In this one, everyone else is fighting a Superfriend, but Robin has to fight a puppet, one of which is already broken on the ground.

    Robin's a wimp.

    This reminds me of that Batman is a Dick website that was on here before. (If I am not lazy, I'll search and link it)
    http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=24550

    (edited by AWArulz on 7.4.05 1522)


That's no puppet! That's Zan of the Wonder Twins. And it looks like Robin already took out Jayna.

Not that that's all that hard, actually.
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#6 Posted on 7.4.05 1435.44
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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Originally posted by AWArulz
      Apparently, Robin's gets the bad side of these covers. In this one, everyone else is fighting a Superfriend, but Robin has to fight a puppet, one of which is already broken on the ground.

      Robin's a wimp.

      This reminds me of that Batman is a Dick website that was on here before. (If I am not lazy, I'll search and link it)
      http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=24550

      (edited by AWArulz on 7.4.05 1522)


    That's no puppet! That's Zan of the Wonder Twins. And it looks like Robin already took out Jayna.

    Not that that's all that hard, actually.


Like he was saying, everyone else is fighting a Superfriend, and Robin's fighting... the two shitty Superfriends.
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#7 Posted on 7.4.05 1703.21
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Technically, the other two are puppet super friends as well.

Wait, I think they are all puppets.

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#8 Posted on 7.4.05 2149.32
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Technically, the other two are puppet super friends as well.

    Wait, I think they are all puppets.

    (edited by Guru Zim on 7.4.05 1504)


Are they? Or are they fighting THEMSELVES? Or Earth-2's superfriends? Or is that Earth-K? Can't be Earth Prime, because Superboy's not present. But wait, Jan and Zayna didn't exist in actual DC continuity, so they must be the Anti-Monitor's Shadowmen. Yeah, that's it.

...

...these covers make me so thankful for Crisis. Sure, it's a convoluted story, but that crap needed to be cleaned up. Bad.
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#9 Posted on 8.4.05 0113.02
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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Like he was saying, everyone else is fighting a Superfriend, and Robin's fighting... the two shitty Superfriends.


Sh*tty Superfriends, eh? I'll see your Zan & Jayna (no Gleek love?), and raise you El Dorado, Firestorm, Cyborg, and The Atom. (Thanks, Seanbaby!)

*leaves self open to trumping w/ Marvin, Wendy & Wonder Dog*
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#10 Posted on 8.4.05 1138.10
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It's easy to look back now and giggle at all the old covers and concepts. But the comic market was different back then. Comics were still primarily seen and marketed as kid's stuff.

Things had progressed somewhat by the mid-70's, but keep in mind that "SuperFriends" was based off of the cheesy KIDS cartoon. "Superfriends" was to "Justice League of America" what "Spidey Super Stories" was to "Amazing Spider-Man". It's almost like making fun of the Pokey Little Puppy.

As for Crisis "cleaning things up"...well, it really didn't. Back then it seemed confusing to have two Flashes, Green Lanterns, and the JLA and JSA. Twenty years later, we STILL have two Flashes, Green Lanterns and the JLA and JSA. The only difference is that the heroes don't have to cast a spell, fire up the cosmic treadmill or whip up some machine to jump earths and meet their counterparts. Batman and Superman have lost their duplicates...but there's that whole ambiguous "Hypertime" concept introduced in 1998 (Remember Batman recognizing a ghost of Kathy Kane?). Wonder Woman lost her duplicate for awhile, but then Fury and Hippolyta were retconned as "Golden Age Wonder Women". And heck, TWO Hawkmen made alot more sense than the current state of the character.

In retrospect, CRISIS seemed like a monstrous pain-in-the booty, just to integrate the Charlton Heroes.
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#11 Posted on 8.4.05 1729.07
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It did do a lot of cleaning up, however. Most importantly, you said it yourself, the Cosmic Treadmill and other such nonsense wasn't needed anymore for silver-age and mondern-age heroes to meet their golden-age counterparts. It was a lot better for the casual or new reader, as you were taking a chance on picking up a book and understanding what was going on (since the whole Earth-1 and Earth-2 nonsense could be confusing to a new reader).

It sort of helps to have Golden Age counterparts on the same Earth. It's not so confusing to have two Flashes or Green Lanters when one or both can act as mentors to the others. They're also markedly different, and it's fairly easy to distinguish between them.

The comment I made, though, was more directed at some of the utter and complete nonsense in DC continuity that crisis got rid of...such as everybody and their cross-eyed Uncle surviving the explosion on Krypton (including KRYPTO THE SUPER MUTT). So yes, things have gotten convoluted since then (let's not forget "Zero Hour" creating even more nonsense), but at the time it cleaned up a lot of stuff. Sure, it didn't take long for DC to screw it up again, but that's bound to happen when you have that many writers tackling characters over such a long period of time.

And don't get me started on that Hypertime nonsense. Gah, that was dumb.
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#12 Posted on 8.4.05 1833.57
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I contend that alot of the nonsense has returned, though. Krypto's back. The Bottle City of Kandor is back. Supergirl's back (had to go through two versions). Superboy was winked out of existence in the Crisis, but returned two years later. Old Superboy stories, introduced with the phrase "the adventures of Superman when he was a boy" seemed to fit... now Superboy and Superman are two completely different people. Even Ace the Bathound came back (although he looked different and we haven't seen him since 1995, dammit). A good portion of those old preposterous stories were labeled as "imaginary stories"... so stuff like Batman, Jr and Superman, Jr -- and some of the Superman is a Dick stories -- were presented as being out of continuity, up-front.

Initially, Crisis changed alot of stuff. But 20 years later, those changes have been negated. Probably the biggest change, continuity-wise, happened about 9 years after Crisis: Joe Chill was eliminated from continuity and Batman's origin in 1994's Batman #0 (or was it Detective #0..one of them). Otherwise, it's been a long road to get back to the way things were.

The "Earth-1" and "Earth-2" confusion didn't go away, it evolved and was replaced by "Pre-Crisis" and "Post-Crisis".

A few other post-Crisis reversions:
Firestorm has been modified three times and we're right back to where we started (Russian/Ronnie version, flamey elemental version and the current Jason/Ronnie Firestorm). He's even fighting Typhoon again.

Cyborg was modified four times and now he's right back to 1984. (Blown up/de-humanized in 1991. Became "Cyberion" in 1994. Became "Gold-Borg" in 1999. Was "cured" and returned to normal in 2000.)
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#13 Posted on 9.4.05 0621.43
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    Originally posted by The Thrill
      Originally posted by drjayphd
      Like he was saying, everyone else is fighting a Superfriend, and Robin's fighting... the two shitty Superfriends.


    Sh*tty Superfriends, eh? I'll see your Zan & Jayna (no Gleek love?), and raise you El Dorado, Firestorm, Cyborg, and The Atom. (Thanks, Seanbaby!)

    *leaves self open to trumping w/ Marvin, Wendy & Wonder Dog*
Oh no you DIDUHNT just talk shit about Firestorm!

Also, there's been like 4 Supergirls since Crisis. The protoplasmic blob, the one trying to capitalize on the Dini version, and the one from the Batman/Superman comics that seem to be all the rage with the kids these days. And let's not even touch the Power Girl mess.

And Cyborg's ties to the Doom Patrol land him in the biggest DC continuity fuckup that doesn't rhyme with "Legion."
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#14 Posted on 9.4.05 0924.52
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    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    Also, there's been like 4 Supergirls since Crisis. The protoplasmic blob, the one trying to capitalize on the Dini version, and the one from the Batman/Superman comics that seem to be all the rage with the kids these days. And let's not even touch the Power Girl mess.

    And Cyborg's ties to the Doom Patrol land him in the biggest DC continuity fuckup that doesn't rhyme with "Legion."


To clear up a couple of things, PAD's Supergirl came about before Dini introduced her on the cartoon and had nothing to do with the Dini version beside the corporately mandated costume change around 60 or so issues in.

Cyborg doesn't have ties to the Doom Patrol beyond his friendship with Beast Boy, whose adoptive parents were members of Doom Patrol.

In response to the whole travel between Earth-1 and Earth-2 thing. Barry/Wally didn't need the Cosmic Treadmill to reach Earth-2, they just shifted their vibrational frequency and viola they were there, and vice versa for Jay getting to Earth-1. The Cosmic Treadmill was used to travel through time, and is currently being reintroduced in the pages of The Flash.

And you disparage Firestorm, The Atom, and Cyborg but don't mention Apache Chief, Black Vulcan and Samurai?!?!?
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#15 Posted on 9.4.05 1118.38
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    Originally posted by Zundian
    And you disparage Firestorm, The Atom, and Cyborg but don't mention Apache Chief, Black Vulcan and Samurai?!?!?


Yep, and I stand by 'er. Apache Chief, Black Vulcan, and Samurai were at least part of the classic lineup from the Best. Superhero. TV Show. EVER:

Challenge of the Superfriends. Babyface SF stable vs. uber-heel Legion of Doom stable. You tell ME with a straight face that the Hall of Doom wasn't the coolest building in world history. :-)
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#16 Posted on 9.4.05 1518.16
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And then there's DC's insane Green Lantern continuity...
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#17 Posted on 11.4.05 0220.52
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If you want hilariously out of context covers, try www.superdickery.com
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#18 Posted on 12.4.05 0658.17
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Since the conversation has turned in this direction, let me just ask ... If the Crisis was supposed to eliminate all the alternate Earths and things, then what are the "Elseworlds" stories supposed to be? With no more alternate realities (as far as I know), are they supposed to be people's dreams or something?

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#19 Posted on 12.4.05 0849.35
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    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Since the conversation has turned in this direction, let me just ask ... If the Crisis was supposed to eliminate all the alternate Earths and things, then what are the "Elseworlds" stories supposed to be? With no more alternate realities (as far as I know), are they supposed to be people's dreams or something?




More or less. Elseworlds are what they used to call "Imaginary Stories" (insert the usual Alan Moore quote here). They're completely out of continuity and usually just one-shots.

And I actually have those issues of Super Friends. Well, had -- I recently gave 'em to my kid nephews.

When Joe Kelly was writing JLA a couple years ago, he did introduce a character called Manitou Raven, who was clearly supposed to be Apache Chief. No Super Samurai, though, and the DCU already has Black Lightning.
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#20 Posted on 13.4.05 1946.22
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Over the years, they have turned Giganta into the cartoon version of the character.

Also, I believe Priest, when writing JLTF, introduced the Wonder Twins.
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