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#1 Posted on 25.2.05 1835.38
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Shockingly, the administration at Temple (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) has come to their senses and actually disciplined John Chaney for his latest bit of insanity. Personally, I've always viewed him as the poor man's Bobby Knight, not quite as good a coach but every bit the jerk and intent on wearing out his welcome and this latest episode just adds confirmation to that perception. Unfortunately, although he should be (sportsline.com),I don't see Chaney getting fired which is too bad for college basketball.

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#2 Posted on 25.2.05 1839.37
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I think, now that the kid's college career has proven to be over, Chaney should be fired. He doesn't deserve to have his Temple career come to the end he desired any more or any less than the St. Joseph's player did, and since the kid is done, Chaney should be done.
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#3 Posted on 25.2.05 2231.45
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I just can't believe that the whole thing was over some illegal screens. If it were physical play on Saint Joseph's part, I could maybe understand, but this is just nutty.
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#4 Posted on 27.2.05 0052.47
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Well...

I feel bad for the kid, but he didn't go to college just to play basketball, did he? I assume that while he played at St. Joseph's, he got an education of some description? The second article itself said, "He's not good enough to play overseas," so presumably he was going to have something non-basketball-related to do after he left St. Joe's. It's not like the guy's a freshman with an entire college career ahead of him. It was going to end after this season anyway.

I'm not trying to ask, "What's the big fuckin' deal," but... it's not like the guy's life is over. Not as if his only chance to have a bright future was to join the NBA or something. A lot of people tend to look at college basketball as being the "be-all, end-all," but first and foremost they oughta be there to get an education so they can get a well-paying job.

I'm not condoning this action, I'm simply saying that this, taken by itself, is hardly justification for firing Chaney. Having no knowledge of him other than what I read in the article, though, I would have to say his career should have been over the moment he strangled Gerry Gimelstob in 1984. That shit's inexcusable. Perhaps this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back, but this is hardly the first time a coach has sent one of his guys in as a "goon". I still think, for example, that Brandon Hunter of the Celtics was sent into a playoff game against the Pacers specifically to try and injure Jermaine O'Neal.

With a lotta other coaches, I'd say, "Certainly he couldn't have expected that the guy's arm would have been broken." But judging from Chaney's past history, I'd hesitate to make that statement. Temple should have fired his ass a long time ago, and perhaps this would never have happened. At the very least, Temple's administration will have to take a long, hard look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Is this kind of behavior acceptable for someone on the payroll at Temple University?" If they decide to keep Chaney, they'd better be ready to deal with the public relations backlash.
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#5 Posted on 27.2.05 0755.57
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To be honest, Eke, for me it's not really about John Bryant. He's merely the latest, and hopefully the last, result of an administration coddling an execrable human being simply because he happens to win games. This is all about John Chaney and his decision to deliberately injure a player. That, in my opinion, is a firing offense. To put it a different way, Chaney's supposed to be a teacher as well as a coach and the lesson he taught was that when things aren't going your way, don't try harder or work to improve. Instead, he taught them that you can solve your problems by sending in the goons and injuring the players and people who are better than you. I would hope that lesson isn't the one that Temple wants taught to their students.

As my wife, an attorney, and one of the wire reports pointed out, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see criminal charges filed against Chaney for his actions, especially in light of things like this. (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) It wouldn't be much of a stretch to charge him with conspiracy to commit assault and assault. While I don't think that those charges should be filed or that they will be, anytime you and/or reporters are talking about potential criminal charges because of what you, as a coach, had a player do, I'd say that's a real good sign that your school needs to seriously think about firing you.

Honestly, I don't expect Chaney to get fired because Temple has coddled and condoned him for so long that I just don't see them changing now. Just like the man I compared him to in my first post, as long as he keeps winning 16 or 17 games a year, the university will keep putting up with his actions. Remember, he didn't even get suspended for grabbing Gimelstob so why should things be any different just because he deliberately had somebody injured because he was mad at the refs?

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#6 Posted on 27.2.05 1501.03
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There wouldnt be a single NHL or minor league hockey coach in existance if everybody who sent a player out to hit somebody got fired.
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#7 Posted on 27.2.05 1547.07
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But hockey is by its nature a physical game. Basketball isn't, or at least it isn't supposed to be. And if he sent him out to purposely injure someone, that's a whole nother story.
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#8 Posted on 27.2.05 2248.19
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    But hockey is by its nature a physical game. Basketball isn't, or at least it isn't supposed to be. And if he sent him out to purposely injure someone, that's a whole nother story.


I might be giving Chaney too much credit, but I'm not sure he sent the guy out there to intentionally injure anyone on St. Joe's. It sounded to me like he said to go knock them around a bit. Needed to learn how to properly foul hard.
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#9 Posted on 28.2.05 0803.24
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    There wouldnt be a single NHL or minor league hockey coach in existance if everybody who sent a player out to hit somebody got fired.


You're absolutely right. Of course, none of them have ever admitted it or shown any premeditation like Chaney did. If Marc Crawford had admitted to sending Bertuzzi out to goon it up with Steve Moore, he'd be asking you if you'd "like fries with that?" right now.

The coach is supposed be the leader of the team. Coaches have enough trouble (and get enough heat) for failing to control what happens with players off the court. When you have a guy that not only doesn't control what is going on during the game, but encourages his players to take those types of actions, you gotta go.

No one seemed to be in a furor over Woody "Satan" Hayes being fired when he punched the Georgia player - and that was a 70 year old guy punching a kid through a facemask.

I love the argument that he didn't mean for the guy to break someone's arm. I can see that being used in a courtroom. "Your honor, the defendant didn't mean to shoot the man in the face with the gun, he just wanted to scare him a bit." Guess it worked for Jayson Williams, though.

Someone should've gotten a comment from Rick Neuheisel on this. "I got fired for entering a March Madness pool, but this guy keeps his job after telling his player to foul the crap out of another player?"



(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 28.2.05 0904)
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#10 Posted on 28.2.05 0858.37
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    Someone should've gotten a comment from Rick Neuheisel on this. "I got fired for entering a March Madness pool, but this guy keeps his job after telling his player to foul the crap out of another player?"


They WOULD have gotten a comment from Neuheisel, but he'd had Temple, -3 1/2, so he was too upset to talk about it.

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#11 Posted on 28.2.05 1714.30
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Well, they are now saying on Sportscenter that Chaney won't coach the A-10 tourney. I can only hope that this is the beginning of the end for Chaney.

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#12 Posted on 28.2.05 2320.36
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    No one seemed to be in a furor over Woody "Satan" Hayes being fired when he punched the Georgia player - and that was a 70 year old guy punching a kid through a facemask.

    (edited by Reverend J Shaft on 28.2.05 0904)


Clemson, not Georgia.

I don't think the issue is whether Coach Hayes hurt the other player; rather, he is a leader of young men, college students, and what kind of example is he setting? That when things aren't going your way and you're frustrated, to lash out?

    Originally posted by bash91
    Well, they are now saying on Sportscenter that Chaney won't coach the A-10 tourney. I can only hope that this is the beginning of the end for Chaney.

    Tim


Does anyone remember that in the 1993 tournament, John Chaney pulled this same act against Michigan's Fab Five? I remember it at the time, and was disgusted then. It is recounted in Mitch Albom's Fab Five, but you can find a quick version: Click Here (washingtonpost.com)

"We win" indeed.

What sickens me is that Chaney preaches as much about fair play as any 10 coaches you can name. Yet, he tries to strangle George Washington's coach in 1984, barges into a John Calipari press conference and threatens to kill him, and practises goonism.

John Chaney should be fired, and his "self-suspensions" that have gotten progressively worse are feeble attempts to stay ahead of the tide and placate rising public opinion against.

(edited by Alpha Dog on 1.3.05 0702)
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#13 Posted on 1.3.05 1847.44
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Am I the only one who is as certain as one can be without solid evidence that this sort of thing goes on at damn near every single basketball program in the country? Maybe I'm just cynical (I do, afterall, think most baseball players use steroids and most outstanding college football players get secret money and university whores), but I think Chaney is just in the inenviable position of having been caught. If you think he's even close to the only one to do this sort of thing, I think you give other college basketball coaches too much credit.
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