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#1 Posted on 22.2.05 1900.44
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Greetings all,

Without getting into fantasy booking, let's say Batista wins the title at WrestleMania; what happens then? Who would there be for him to feud with? HHH again? That wouldn't seem to make any sense for a HHH/Batista deal after having the *supposed* blow-off at 'Mania. Everyone has already singled-out Randy Orton (and besides, I don't think a relatively green face/face feud would work.) And I don't see Jericho moving up anytime soon. Benoit has feuded with Batista already.

So, to quote The Onion...what do you think? If Batista wins the title, where does he go. I honestly do not see him winning the title. In fact, a part of me would like to see HHH pin him straight. I just see Batista as being a Transition Champion if he does win, I don't know how he would aid the WWE in digging themselves a little out of their hole. But that's just me, besides, maybe the rumored Draft will shake things up?.

Secondly, I have some 80's WWF questions that hopefuly some of you older W's can help me with.

--Relate to me the story of how/where/when "Macho Man" became the "Macho King" and how did Sherri become the "Sensational Queen."
--I remember on a pre-WM6 Primetime Wrestling show, Gorilla brought up all the people who Bobby Heenan had screwed over. Gorilla said, "Ask Hot Rod, he'll tell you the type of guy Bobby Heenan is." When did Piper have a fall-out with Heenan and what brought on Piper distracting Rick Rude at SummerSlam '89? Did the Piper/Rude feud go anywhere?

Thanks for your help, W's.
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#2 Posted on 22.2.05 1919.05
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Savage became the Macho King when he beat King Jim Duggan(who had beaten King Haku, who had become monarch due to the death of King Harley Race's career). Sherri had hooked up with Savage in early '89, and thus became Queen to his King. This would last until Savage lost a career match to Warrior at Mania VII, with Sherri turning on Savage after he lost and leading to the Savage/Elizabeth reconciliation. Of course, Savage returned from this retirement, but he never regained his monarchial crown.
Piper and Rude had a House Show feud that fall, but Piper disappeared back to Hollywood shortly afterward.
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#3 Posted on 22.2.05 2027.33
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    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    Greetings all,

    Without getting into fantasy booking, let's say Batista wins the title at WrestleMania; what happens then? Who would there be for him to feud with? HHH again? That wouldn't seem to make any sense for a HHH/Batista deal after having the *supposed* blow-off at 'Mania. Everyone has already singled-out Randy Orton (and besides, I don't think a relatively green face/face feud would work.) And I don't see Jericho moving up anytime soon. Benoit has feuded with Batista already.

    So, to quote The Onion...what do you think? If Batista wins the title, where does he go. I honestly do not see him winning the title. In fact, a part of me would like to see HHH pin him straight. I just see Batista as being a Transition Champion if he does win, I don't know how he would aid the WWE in digging themselves a little out of their hole. But that's just me, besides, maybe the rumored Draft will shake things up?.


I dont want to come across as a HHHater but this question has been floating around in my head for a while as well. HHH has set himself up as the major heel of the RAW brand, so much so that for the last 2 years he has been the focus of many of the feuds.This Batista turn sets him up for a further 6 month run as the main focus on RAW. Its like a log jam , you look ahead and all you can see is HHH v anyone.To say its over at Wrestlemania( if Batista wins) ignores the fact that there must be revenge. And then what for Batista? While it is a heady ride straight to the top for Batista the drop IMO will be just as quick, unless he swaps shows.But this then allows HHH to dominate RAW once again. So confusing. And if Batista loses the air of expectation is pricked with a pin called HHH and all the hype built will escape to wherever.

I understand there are some back room moves with HHH taking on more and more. Great for the company and all but I would like to see HHH drop down to Jericho level and have some fun for a while. Then concentrate on his back room work . But he wont because 10 is so close to 16.

Rant over and back on topic.. Batista can set himself up as a loner .. the Animal who fights any dog who wants to his title. This allows people like Benoit to have a shot without turning either face or heel. Same with HBK he can have a run at it . Setting Batista up as a loner champ without any factions gives the WWE the opportunity to play both sides of the card equally, giving it the life it needs .
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#4 Posted on 22.2.05 2128.56
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Lest we forget the oft rumored draft lottery can switch some names around on Raw, and I could quite easily see an Edge/Batista feud that could be quite good.
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#5 Posted on 22.2.05 2137.38
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    Originally posted by PerthHeat
    Batista can set himself up as a loner .. the Animal who fights any dog who wants to his title. This allows people like Benoit to have a shot without turning either face or heel. Same with HBK he can have a run at it . Setting Batista up as a loner champ without any factions gives the WWE the opportunity to play both sides of the card equally, giving it the life it needs .

This remeinds me of Stone Cold's first face run and title run. While he was a face, he also hold no allegiance. He would fight a heel like The Rock one week, then fight a face like Undertaker the next.

This could work for Batista. He could mouth off to Bischoff and then beat up Jericho in the same night. Have a confrintaion with Shawn Michaels in the back, and then go out and take on Edge. It breathe some much needed fresh air into the title pixture.
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#6 Posted on 23.2.05 0004.47
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There was a rumour floating around a few months ago that the pencilled-in plan for Wrestlemania was to have Orton and Cena win the world titles, and then have both guys switch shows in order to create a whole raft of new and fresh feuds. I wonder if the same thing couldn't happen with Batista and Cena; it would rob Smackdown of a very marketable star in favour of a popular but more generic 'big guy' wrestler, but if, say, Jericho or HBK were moved over to Smackdown in the draft as well, that would perk things up nicely.
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#7 Posted on 23.2.05 1410.44
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If Batista wins, it will be Batista vs a whiny Edge complaining he got screwed again. Toss in a RAW-only minifeud with Snitsky somewhere to stall for time.

Then the belt goes back to HHH at the next major PPV.
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#8 Posted on 23.2.05 1538.59
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I'd heard the same thing Big Bad mentioned, and I think you still do it. Switch Batista for Cena, and have Orton move to Smackdown as well (you can also move Jericho, but that's separate from this point).

Both Cena and Batista will be unable to achieve their potential if they remain on the shows they are on now. With Batista, the cloud will always be hanging over him, similar to how it was with Benoit a year ago, that it's only a matter of time before HHH beats him and takes the belt back. People might enjoy him as champion, but they'll always be waiting for the other shoe to drop. They've already set up programs to get Batista almost to SummerSlam on Smackdown with the JBL/Big Show interactions leading into No Way Out, and it would be a waste not to use them. Add to that the fact that we've already seen Batista vs. Jericho, vs. Benoit, vs. Kane, vs. Michaels, etc and there's really no reason for him to stay on Raw.

As a sidenote, I feel Orton needs to be switched so that he can try to shed that Evolution/HHH whipping boy image that I think has gotten stuck to him the last few months.

Cena, on the other hand, would probably face the HHH obstacle that any champion would have to overcome, but moving to Raw could really freshen up his character. I don't think he is as popular now as he was when he first began wading into tweener territory in late 2003, mostly because UPN (reportedly) told them to clean up his act. You can get away with a lot more at 9 PM on cable than you can at 8 PM on a network, and the only way Cena really makes it is if they take the cuffs off and let him play the character to the max. I firmly believe the Attitude era stars would not have been as hot as they were if they had to watch their mouth every time they got a mic. No, Cena doesn't need to fill every promo with non-stop expletives, but when he's limited to poop jokes he's goofy, not edgy. Edgy sells, and I think Raw gives him the best chance to be that.
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#9 Posted on 23.2.05 2137.49
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As far as "who's a big star/most over now," I honestly don't think any backstage HHH (or otherwise) shenanigans ("what's the name of that restaurant you like going to?") could impede John Cena from making it big.

Think of it this way, maybe. Say Austin, in his prime, was just exploding in popularity and you had the HHH of today doing his thing. I really don't think HHH could stop him. Now, Cena is no Austin by any means, but I think the formula would hold that HHH couldn't stop Cena's overwhelming overness; he'd really be a fool to do so and I think a lot of people would let him know it.

HHH and WWE would have a lot of people severely pissed off (namely Jim Cornette who is extremely high on John Cena, and if you've ever seen his Shoot Interviews, for a pudgy, balding, out of shape guy...I *guess* you don't want him on your bad side?!)

As to the second part of my question, Thanks REDSOX, but I knew that part already :). I meant, did this all take place on Superstars or what? I remember seeing a picture of Macho King with all the bad guys in his ring/court. DiBiase was addressing him on the mic. The pic is over at Obsessed With Wrestling, I believe. Sorry for not making that clear, but thanks.
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#10 Posted on 23.2.05 2147.08
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    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    As to the second part of my question, Thanks REDSOX, but I knew that part already :). I meant, did this all take place on Superstars or what? I remember seeing a picture of Macho King with all the bad guys in his ring/court. DiBiase was addressing him on the mic. The pic is over at Obsessed With Wrestling, I believe. Sorry for not making that clear, but thanks.


The coronation happened at a Superstars taping. I remember watching it and thinking how bizarre it was watching Ted DiBiase crown Randy Savage king when they had been feuding over the title only a year earlier (and were my first memory of a championship rivalry). As for when he beat Duggan, I believe the match aired on Prime Time Wrestling on USA, although we didn't get that up here so I can't be 100% sure.
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