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#1 Posted on 22.2.05 1251.42
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Looks like an attempt to create a new red state in Eastern Washington.

    Originally posted by Rachel LaCorse, Seattle P-I/AP, 2/21/05
    If Sen. Bob Morton has his way, he'll soon be a resident and lawmaker in the 51st state of the United States.

    To Morton, the Cascade Mountains are more than just the dividing line between wet and dry Washington. They are the indisputable wall between political ideologies that only became more apparent during the recent contested governor's race.

    The Republican from Orient is the prime sponsor on a joint memorial in the Senate that asks President Bush to create a new state east of the Cascades that would comprise 20 of the current state's 39 counties. Nine other Republican senators have signed on in support. Similar measures have been introduced in past years without success.

    "It's not sour grapes," Morton said. "It's common sense. People who think alike should be united."

    Morton said Eastern Washington has its own distinct culture, lifestyle and agriculture-driven economy. And he says growth development restrictions and other regulations imposed by Olympia put a stranglehold on his area.

    But even if the measure passes the Senate and House and is signed by the governor, the U.S. Constitution says that Congress, not the president alone, has the power to create a new state.

    Morton acknowledged the challenge of anything coming of the measure, but said "it's worth every effort."

    Other Republicans also noted that because about one-third of the state's voters reside in Washington's largest, and overwhelmingly Democratic, county - King County - that their constituents' voices are overshadowed by their western neighbors.

    Bitterness over the red-blue divide in the state only increased in November's governor's race. Eastern Washington overwhelmingly voted in support of Republican candidate Dino Rossi, only to see Democrat Christine Gregoire pull ahead after a third count.

    "Look at the election results. We elected Rossi. King County elected Gregoire," said Sen. Bob McCaslin, R-Spokane Valley.


The problem the article mentions isn't that big of a deal, as the bill is addressed to Congress as well, but it will take an act of congress to create a new state. And don't expect that to happen anytime soon...
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#2 Posted on 22.2.05 1331.01
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#3 Posted on 22.2.05 1501.10
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About a decade ago, SW Kansas wanted to spilt from the rest of the state. They possessed what was at that time the largest natural gas reserve in the US (the Hugoton field). Some of their reps supported it but nothing came of it. Alot of it was militia drivel.

Having been on both ends of that state, one has to agree that their outlooks and lifestyles are worlds apart.
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#4 Posted on 22.2.05 1520.22
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Splitting states to create new states only opens up pandoras box. Suppose by some fluke the splitting of Washington occurs. First, the people of D.C. will be screaming bloody murder that states can split into statehood, but they can't get statehood, and some portions of Puerto Rico will start screaming as well. Second, does this cause the Balkanization of states such as California, Texas and Florida, where there are diverse differences within regions? I sincerely doubt smaller states are going to vote for additional states that decrease their power in the Senate, as each split of a state adds 2 Senators, and weakens them in the electoral college, as the amount of electors from the split states grow due to the 2 Senators. That, and the government would then have to spend money to make new flags etc. 50 is a nice, round number to keep things at.
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#5 Posted on 22.2.05 1624.26
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Won't happen. What would be the capitol? Spokane? Walla Walla? Effing PULLMAN?!

Besides, they would have to rename Washington State University, and well, I don't think anyone over there is so clever as to come up with a new name.
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#6 Posted on 22.2.05 1716.21
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This is not a new debate. I have heard arguments for splitting oregon and washington down the cascades and creating two new states. One composed of the liberal and wet left half of the states and the other the dry arid right part of the state.

Eh, not gonna happen.
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#7 Posted on 22.2.05 2223.47
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    Originally posted by Rachel LaCorse, Seattle P-I/AP, 2/21/05
    "It's not sour grapes," Morton said. "It's common sense. People who think alike should be united."




Whereas people who think differently should be as completely and bitterly divided as possible, apparently...
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#8 Posted on 23.2.05 0028.17
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This could just be an urban legend, but doesn't Texas retain the right to split into as much as five states as part of their entrance into the union?
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#9 Posted on 23.2.05 0055.49
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
    This could just be an urban legend, but doesn't Texas retain the right to split into as much as five states as part of their entrance into the union?
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp
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#10 Posted on 23.2.05 0648.56
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There have also been failed attempts at creating new states before. Franklin, two different Jeffersons(West Texas in 1915, Southern Oregon/Northern California in 1941). Nothing came of them either (and that doesn't even count the gigantic proposal for the State of Deseret...)
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#11 Posted on 23.2.05 0816.05
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    Originally posted by Jim Smith
      Originally posted by Rachel LaCorse, Seattle P-I/AP, 2/21/05
      "It's not sour grapes," Morton said. "It's common sense. People who think alike should be united."




    Whereas people who think differently should be as completely and bitterly divided as possible, apparently...


Well said. This is indicative of the schism we find ourselves in politically. The search for common ground seems to be over for both sides.
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#12 Posted on 23.2.05 1350.44
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That 'state of Deseret' thing Grimis linked to is hilarious. Just imagine....Las Vegas, Sin City, could've been in a Mormon territory.

Canada, actually, went through something like this about a decade ago. Over half of the Northwest Territories was split off into the territory of Nunavut.

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#13 Posted on 24.2.05 1950.01
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    That 'state of Deseret' thing Grimis linked to is hilarious. Just imagine....Las Vegas, Sin City, could've been in a Mormon territory.


Plus, it looked like Brigham Young's 4-year-old son drew the state boundaries.
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#14 Posted on 25.2.05 0714.40
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    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    Plus, it looked like Brigham Young's 4-year-old son drew the state boundaries.
I think that the line was an attempt to follow the boundaries of the Great Basin. Either than or an amoeba...
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#15 Posted on 26.2.05 1942.31
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People make noise about spliting off NYC from NY State at times - most notably by Norman Mailer and Jimmy Breslin in the 70s.

It's really just political inertia. I personally (in a perfect world) don't really think there should be such a thing as state as they exist now - I'd either ditch them totally and go with a strong Federal system, or redraw boundaries of 5 or 6 regions based on a loose common culture and ideals, and then have a looser Confederation (this is basically Spain, by the way).
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#16 Posted on 28.2.05 0740.33
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    People make noise about spliting off NYC from NY State at times - most notably by Norman Mailer and Jimmy Breslin in the 70s.

    It's really just political inertia. I personally (in a perfect world) don't really think there should be such a thing as state as they exist now - I'd either ditch them totally and go with a strong Federal system, or redraw boundaries of 5 or 6 regions based on a loose common culture and ideals, and then have a looser Confederation (this is basically Spain, by the way).


While that may sound good, in Kansas we can't even agree to consider merging police forces between cities or counties. We have counties side by side with less than 2k people in each, yet they insist on maintaining a full slate of county officials that they can't afford. It's more than political inertia, it's a sense of identity that we as human beings strongly identify with and will fight to keep. Even when it would make perfect sense.
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