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#1 Posted on 20.2.05 0217.27
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It's a shame that there won't be any new episodes for a long while (April, at least), because this was as intense an episode as it gets. I was originally VERY down on the government conspiracy angle (now revealed as Project Cadmus), but the writers have not only managed to make it compelling, but make it completely make SENSE!

Key Points:
-Lex Luthor is indeed running for president. If they can pull this off in animated form as well as they did in the comics, we're in for a treat.
-Batman and Amanda Waller cerebrally go toe-to-toe to open the show. Waller's reasoning of the Justice League going rogue like the Justice Lords from Season 2 is completely within reason.
-The original seven league members assemble. Hearing everyone groan upon hearing The Question's name was hilarious.
-I went into this episode thinking to myself, "Any Superman/Doomsday fight that doesn't completely tear the house down wouldn't do these characters justice." Having said that, the Superman/Doomsday fight was among the best in the show's run, rivaling the all-out, drag-out Superman/Darkseid fight from Season 2.
-I'm a sucker for continuity, which is why I marked out for the Phantom Zone projector from the Superman animated series.
-The ending with the wounded Bruce Wayne verbally lambasting Superman was a philosophical mindfuck if I ever saw one. Batman's argument holds even more weight when one thinks that Superman actually attempted to lobotomize Doomsday just like his evil parallel self did.

This episode had such an epic feel. The roommates observed that Doomsday deserved a two-part episode, but this is one of those rare cases where I feel the half-hour format worked. Justice League fans, download this episode immediately!

And more good news? Looks like there are 23 more episodes on the way.

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#2 Posted on 20.2.05 0235.04
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I didn't like this interpretation of Doomsday in that he could talk and rationalize things. That he can actually do that kind of defeats the whole purpose of the character.

I got the sense that Batman might not be against creating some sort of contingency for the league at the end. Which was addressed in the story, Tower of Babel. Though I really hope they go somewhere with the Diana/Bruce relationship now that they've been renewed for more episodes. I was kinda disappointed they brushed that relationship off the comics.

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#3 Posted on 20.2.05 0543.03
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A) Good to have the Flash back.

As great as this show has been, he has sorely been missed.

B) Good fight. I just expected Doomsday to plow through the B List as soon as I saw Hawk and Dove.

C) Batman kicks ass. Seriously. The fact that he relates to the government's fears and he understands them AND he ends up just completely jacked after saving the day... he's only human and it shows.

Plus, only he'd tell Superman to STFU in as many words.
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#4 Posted on 20.2.05 0938.28
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Looks as if without cable I need to wait for DVD series to come out. But I have to say, hearing that there is 23 more episodes on the way is GREAT news.

Lex Luther as president = greatness. But maybe animating the Parallax complete with Rebirth? Oh yes, that in fact rock the kaboosh.

EDIT: Could someone tell me what the episode name was for the Doomsday show so I can be ready for it when it gets released on DVD/video?

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#5 Posted on 20.2.05 1427.24
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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Could someone tell me what the episode name was for the Doomsday show so I can be ready for it when it gets released on DVD/video?


Last night's JLU Doomsday episode is entitled "The Doomsday Sanction". Doomsday's first appearance on JL was the 2-part "A Better World" from Season 2 (or "Season 3", according to Cartoon Network).

Actually, we're in the midst of those 23 new episodes. This recent batch of new episodes are the first few. So we've got roughly...umm...20 more episodes.

The conspiracy story is great... it harkens all the way back to "Legacy" from Superman's old show. Roughly 5-6 years for a cartoon storyline?! Continuity is a big part of comics, and it's great that JL/JLU has been able to keep continuity at the forefront. The continuing stories with Hawkgirl, Batman/Wonder Woman, Dr. Fate's "Defenders", Luthor, Vandal Savage, etc. In print form, readers love continuity, cuz' it's like the writers are saying "thanks for reading, bub". Same effect here. Another reason why "Justice League" is probably the best comics-to-TV project ever produced. I don't think that's "Comic Book Guy" talk, either. A very high-quality show.

I haven't seen every episode of Superman's old show...but has the Phantom Zone ever been used, seen or mentioned before in the Animated DCU? Seems like a natual to have Doomsday return with General Zod in tow.
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#6 Posted on 20.2.05 1658.20
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Justice League has nothing on the older Batman and Superman shows. Not even Batman Beyond. Sorry, but that's the fact .
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#7 Posted on 20.2.05 2036.14
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I thought that JL and JLU were related to the Superman and Batman animated series that were on WB about 5 years ago. The characters all look the same and most of the voice actors are the same people. Batman Beyond was good but pretty weird so I can see why they ignored that series and the Batman series on now is just toy selling crap.
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#8 Posted on 20.2.05 2352.10
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    Originally posted by Dahak
    I thought that JL and JLU were related to the Superman and Batman animated series that were on WB about 5 years ago. The characters all look the same and most of the voice actors are the same people. Batman Beyond was good but pretty weird so I can see why they ignored that series and the Batman series on now is just toy selling crap.


They aren't ignoring Batman Beyond, its still in canon with the universe of Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and the Batman/Superman shows. In fact, in one episode of Justice League Unlimited they travel to the future and team up with Terry McGinnis (Batman in the future).
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#9 Posted on 21.2.05 0933.39
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    Originally posted by estragand
    The conspiracy story is great... it harkens all the way back to "Legacy" from Superman's old show.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "harkens," but this episode has ties all the way back to Batman: The Animated Series which aired on Fox. Dr. Milo, the man who released Doomsday, was on two episodes; Dr. Hugo Strange, who knows Batman's identity, appears to be part of Cadmus; and mention was made of Dr. Kirk Langstrom, the original Man-Bat.

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#10 Posted on 21.2.05 1818.44
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
      Originally posted by Dahak
      I thought that JL and JLU were related to the Superman and Batman animated series that were on WB about 5 years ago. The characters all look the same and most of the voice actors are the same people. Batman Beyond was good but pretty weird so I can see why they ignored that series and the Batman series on now is just toy selling crap.


    They aren't ignoring Batman Beyond, its still in canon with the universe of Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and the Batman/Superman shows. In fact, in one episode of Justice League Unlimited they travel to the future and team up with Terry McGinnis (Batman in the future).


Batman Beyond is an official possible future. It's nice that they showed Terry McGinnis in the future episode but they also showed Static Shock too so you take what you get.
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#11 Posted on 21.2.05 1826.12
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I liked seeing Terry again as well. I did NOT like seeing him getting owned by those Joker scrubs whose asses he kicked in Return Of The Joker. They made Terry look like a bum which makes me believe the writers didn't care for Batman Beyond very much, since Justice League and Batman Beyond probably had different creative teams (Dini and Geda on Beyond). And I think one of Justice League's biggest problems is that it doesn't have Dini's vision and Geda's direction, its really Bruce Timm's show.

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#12 Posted on 21.2.05 1843.35
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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    I did NOT like seeing him getting owned by those Joker scrubs whose asses he kicked in Return Of The Joker. They made Terry look like a bum which makes me believe the writers didn't care for Batman Beyond very much, since Justice League and Batman Beyond probably had different creative teams (Dini and Geda on Beyond).


I think it's important to remember that that wasn't the actual future, but rather one created by irresponsible time travel. The Jokerz were armed with futuristic weaponry, and they didn't just beat Batman (Terry), they beat most of the Justice League of that period, including Superman and that time's Green Lantern.

Static Shock is kind of silly, but I have no problem with future adult Static being a major hero of the Batman Beyond future.
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#13 Posted on 21.2.05 2159.47
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You know what actually bothered me about that future episode? The fact that in one episode of Batman Beyond, Terry meets Superman and the League of the future, and expressly turns down membership. Yet in the JLU episode, he was clearly a League member. I know continuity between the series is a little loose, but that really got me for some reason.
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#14 Posted on 21.2.05 2234.50
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Well it was a bizarro future you know.

And I forgot to thank the writers for offing Milo. The Catwoman turns into a Cheetah thing was possibly the worst episode ever.

Also, Beyond Bruce not remembering the meeting of his future self gives me hope that our Batman may get a little happier end of the road than being hunched over and alone after screwing Batgirl.
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#15 Posted on 21.2.05 2241.55
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
    You know what actually bothered me about that future episode? The fact that in one episode of Batman Beyond, Terry meets Superman and the League of the future, and expressly turns down membership. Yet in the JLU episode, he was clearly a League member. I know continuity between the series is a little loose, but that really got me for some reason.


I think much like Batman in the current JLU he would've been an ally or associate member. Not technically a full member, but there when they needed him.
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