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|#21 Posted on 11.2.05 1332.51 |
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| In my country until 5-6 months ago, we had mandatory military service.|
When you turned 18 you had to register in a military center, if you didn't registered you risked a few years in jail.
You could postpone your service if you had valid reasons (college, health issues...).
Now its a voluntary system.
Still all the 18 years young males have to register in the military bases, and until you turn 45 or 50, in case of war, you can still be drafted.
My father was drafted in 1972 and he served 3 years in the army during the Portuguese colonial wars (Angola, Moçambique, Cabo Verde, Goa and Damão).
Portugal at that time was under the fascist regime of Oliveira Salazar.
If you had any objection against the draft you would be accused of betraying "O Glorioso Portugal" and put to jail or have a few "reunions" with the regime policial force (PIDE) and those reunions ended in a very bad way.
So what im trying to say is that a draft can be made for the wrong reasons even if its necessary.
The only thing that can prove that it was worth it is time.
Is refusing to die for your country wrong?
Even if its a fascist regime or a government that you don't believe in?
And no, America is not a fascist regime
Sorry for the English
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|#22 Posted on 11.2.05 2225.49 |
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Originally posted by Lexus
Dodging a draft is telling the U.S. Government that you don't believe in their war effort, it's true. But, you're also giving the next guy in line the shaft. Fact is, even if you don't go to war in a draft, there are those who will have to due to no other reason than they had no way out.
Well luckily I'm a selfish bastard. And if they're not smart enough to figure out a way out, then I'm sure they fit right in in the "do what you're told no matter what" armed forces.
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|AIM: || ||#23 Posted on 13.2.05 0906.18 |
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| Lexus, this thread hasn't gotten retarded just because people disagree with you. I don't see any personal jabs being thrown and CRZ hasn't blown up on us yet...well maybe now it's in order.|
Anyway, I can understand your positions about the draft, and with your upbringing and family, it's understandable. You're more of a patriot than me. I refuse to believe, though, that I'm a bad person if I don't go to war when the US tells me to go. It's awfully judgmental to say somebody is "sick" for not going to war and risking their lives instead of sticking where they are. People have jobs, wives, families, kids, obligations. And no, I don't believe that your #1 obligation is to your country. And I don't think that makes me an asshole or a bad person either. Maybe not a model American, but if a choice comes between remaining at home to take care of my real life and going somewhere with a gun for a regime that I don't think does much good for my life, guess where I'm staying? That's right, with my wife and kid, who I think need me around a lot more than the great Mr. Bush.
Now, you do mention that if somebody disagrees with the war, then you aren't so harsh to hate for not going to said war. I obviously don't have trust in Bush, and therefore would not follow in his little escapades out to the desert, but I also wouldn't go into a war even if I believed in the man. That, again, does not make me "sick". I'm no good to my family dead. And that's just how I see it. There's a time and place and a reason to risk my life, and for a government like this, it's just not that reason.
It's not my duty if somebody else can't get out of the draft. It's not my fault that if I leave the draft, somebody else goes in. It's the nature OF the draft. I'm not responsible for soldier B losing his arm in Iran when he was in the same position as me, facing a draft, and I decided to go a different path. You can't blame me for somebody else getting hurt when I dodge the draft and they don't. Maybe they should've done the same if they weren't willing to lose that arm.
(edited by FurryHippie on 13.2.05 0711)
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