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#1 Posted on 8.2.05 0740.50
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    Originally posted by Street & Smith's
    The publication is on sale now and retails for $6.99.

    The list:
    1. Kentucky
    2. UCLA
    3. North Carolina
    4. Kansas
    5. Duke
    6. Indiana
    7. Louisville
    8. Arkansas
    9. Connecicut
    10. Cincinnati
    11. Utah
    12. Ohio State
    13. Oklahoma State
    14. Arizona
    15. Syracuse
    16. Pennsylvania
    17. NC State
    18. St. John's
    19. Princeton
    20. Temple
    21. Georgetown
    22. Kansas State
    23. Texas
    24. Oklahoma
    25. Michigan State
    26. Michigan
    27. Illinois
    28. UNLV
    29. SAN FRANCISCO
    30. Purdue
    31. W. Kentucky
    32. Villanova
    33. Marquette
    34. W. Virginia
    35. Maryland.
    36. BYU
    37. Houston
    38. Missouri
    39. Notre Dame
    40. Iowa
    41. California
    42. Wyoming
    43. St. Joseph's
    44. Stanford
    45. Creighton
    46. Wake Forest
    47. Miami of Ohio
    48. Xavier
    49. UTEP
    50. LSU
    51. Weber State
    52. Murray State
    53. LaSalle
    54. Alabama
    55. Wisconsin
    56. Virginia
    57. DePaul
    58. Oregon State
    59. Tulsa
    60. Pittsburgh
    61. Memphis
    62. North Carolina A&T
    63. Bradley
    64. Georgia Tech
    65. Colorado
    66. Dartmouth
    67. Texas Tech
    68. Holy Cross
    69. Pepperdine
    70. New Mexico State
    71. Southern Methodist
    72. Santa Clara
    73. Idaho State
    74. Boston College
    75. Providence
    76. Southern Cal
    77. Tennessee
    78. Massachusetts
    79. Dayton
    80. Davidson
    81. Chattanooga
    82. Utah State
    83. Alcorn State
    84. Iowa State
    85. Washington
    86. Ohio
    87. Navy
    88. Charlotte
    89. Gonzaga
    90. Valparaiso
    91. Seton Hall
    92. Arizona State
    93. Northeastern
    94. Oregon
    95. Louisiana Monroe
    96. Florida
    97. Loyola (IL)
    98. New Mexico
    99. Mississippi State
    100. Butler


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#2 Posted on 8.2.05 0857.57
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Do we know what the ratonale for this is? I mean, I don't understand where Kansas State of all programs comes from, or how a Division I nobody like NC A&T comes in far ahead of a Loyola-IL team that won a national title...
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#3 Posted on 8.2.05 0912.28
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Well, I'm assuming that's why you'd pay the $6.99. I was surprised to see Tennessee in the top 100 myself (although they were good back before I was born).

(EDIT: $6.99 is the cost of the full thing in the article that was linked.)

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#4 Posted on 8.2.05 0921.03
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Since I am a giant Kentucky mark it is nice to see them #1. I think that's the right spot for us! But really you could have also put UCLA, Kansas, North Carolina, and Duke at #1 and not heard much grumbling. But hey we will take our 1800+ wins, 42 SEC Conference Titles, 25 SEC Tourney Titles, and 7 National Championships and pitch a tent in that #1 spot!

I am shocked to see Mississippi State ranked so low (#99). They just went to the final four a few years ago. When Kentucky goes down there the crowd is always loud and the countless times I have watched them on JP Sports over the years they always seemed to have a good crowd.

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#5 Posted on 8.2.05 0957.19
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    97. Loyola (IL)


CHICAGO.

If only everyone else hadn't caught on to our great "black people who can play basketball can play basketball for US" innovation.

The easly explaination about them being low is - outside the NC and a good run in the 80's which looks worse when everyone from it flopped in the NBA - they've been a pretty below average school in below average confrences. Possibly, the biggest thing that's happened on campus in the last five years was Yao Ming doing a pre-draft workout. (The immortal UIC/Loyola 2OT Horizon League Tournament Final which still makes me depressed to this day was at Cleveland State - I think.)

The identity of being a NC team with four black starters and one white starter is diminishined by the following year being the "5 black guys vs 5 white guys" milstone. They did get a SportsCentury out of it! (which was aired, like, ONCE, not that I'm bitter about missing it.)

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#6 Posted on 8.2.05 1048.29
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Providence has 2 Final Four appearances, a few Elite 8 appearances, 2 NIT Titles in the days when the NIT actually meant something, and we are behind Idaho State and Boston College?
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#7 Posted on 8.2.05 1102.28
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    Originally posted by Ffej


    I am shocked to see Mississippi State ranked so low (#99). They just went to the final four a few years ago. When Kentucky goes down there the crowd is always loud and the countless times I have watched them on JP Sports over the years they always seemed to have a good crowd.




They're kind of new to this whole "winning" thing, though...that final four must be the only reason they're in the top 100. the 90's were a breakthrough decade for them. Of course you know that I'm gonna say that Vandy got robbed. If you take all the criteria mentioned for what the magazine used, we're top 5 in the SEC easily behind UK, Ark, UT (damn the Mears + Ernie and Bernie era), and Bama...

So do ya think UK can go undefeated in the SEC this year again in what was supposed to be a rebuilding (or maybe I should say re-loading) year?? Tubby is just un-human. Best coach in America IMO.
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#8 Posted on 8.2.05 1428.41
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Hey, at least Holy Cross made the list ...

Holy Cross is listed 68th in Street & Smith’s 100 greatest men’s college basketball programs in the magazine’s January edition.

The Crusaders are well documented with a whole page written and prepared by Patrick Maloney, former assistant media relations director at the college.

Considerations in selecting the top teams included NCAA tournament appearances, total NCAA wins, Final Fours, NCAA finals, NCAA championships, NIT championships, conference regular-season championships, conference tournament championships, independent championships, all-time won-loss percentage, graduation rate, NCAA infractions, and first-round draft picks.

This year marks the 86th season of Holy Cross men’s basketball. The Crusaders have a record of 1,189-775 (.605), and have made 22 postseason tournament appearances — 11 NCAA tournaments and 11 NIT tournaments. Holy Cross is one of only 16 schools to win the NCAA Tournament (1947) as well at the NIT (1954).

Throughout its storied history, Holy Cross has produced six first-team All-Americans — Bob Cousy, Togo Palazzi, George Kaftan, Tommy Heinsohn, Jack “The Shot” Foley and Ron Perry Jr. HC has sent nine players on to play in the NBA and had four players inducted into the Hall of Fame. Twenty-three players were drafted by professional teams. Three Crusaders have gone on to coach in the NBA — Cousy, Heinsohn and Joe Mullaney — while 15 graduates have coached in college, including current men’s coach Ralph Willard.

A highlight of Crusaders history came during the 1953-54 season when the Crusaders won the NIT championship with Palazzi gaining MVP honors. Palazzi also had a great performance in the 1952 Dixie Classic, scoring 75 points and grabbing 78 rebounds in three games.

In 1956 games, Heinsohn scored 51 points and had a New England-record 42 rebounds. Foley scored 55 points in a game, and in 1962 against Connecticut poured in 56 points, 39 in the first half, both New England records.

Ron Perry Jr. had a big night against Connecticut when he scored 46 points, a Boston Garden collegiate record. Jim McCaffrey had 46 points and 15 assists against Iona in 1985.

“I can see why Holy Cross is rated only 68th,” Palazzi said. “Back when Holy Cross was the king of New England basketball, both the NCAA and NIT had under a dozen teams playing. Today, the NCAA has 64 teams in the fold and the NIT many more teams. I’m sure that Holy Cross would have had many more invites.”
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#9 Posted on 8.2.05 1458.03
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    Originally posted by Ffej
    Since I am a giant Kentucky mark it is nice to see them #1. I think that's the right spot for us! But really you could have also put UCLA, Kansas, North Carolina, and Duke at #1 and not heard much grumbling. But hey we will take our 1800+ wins, 42 SEC Conference Titles, 25 SEC Tourney Titles, and 7 National Championships and pitch a tent in that #1 spot!

    I am shocked to see Mississippi State ranked so low (#99). They just went to the final four a few years ago. When Kentucky goes down there the crowd is always loud and the countless times I have watched them on JP Sports over the years they always seemed to have a good crowd.




I may be an even bigger Wildcat mark than Ffej, but I'll say that only UCLA could make a valid argument on number 1, and that would only be via the 11 NC v. 7 NC, but I would argue if the 'Cats weren't # 1.

I do agree with Chuck that I feel that over time Vandy has been as stout if not stouter than Mississippi State.

I hope the 'Cats can go undefeated in the SEC this year and while I think they can win out, I think they'll trip somewhere along the way. I sort of want them to, in a "not really" way, but I'm more concerned about winning 6 in a row from March to April and I think a loss would help grab their attention.

Florida is a big game tonight in Lexington and they still have to go to Gainesville, MSU at Lexington, 'Bama in Tuscaloosa, and a trip to South Carolina (given the way USC played at Rupp, that could be a tough game). Gotta appreciate the Tubby love though Chuck.
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#10 Posted on 8.2.05 1507.33
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It looks like a trip to the local news stand is in order to see what the ranking criteria was for this list since the Street & Smith's website is basically a piece of informational junk. I'm just glad to see some recognition for the 2 Ivy league powerhouses - Princeton & Penn. Both schools continue to respresent well in an age where academics & graduation rates have taken a backseat to making the Big Dance.
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#11 Posted on 8.2.12 1522.58
Sence then WVU has has made The Final Four(2010), Elite Eight(2005), and Sweet 16(2006,08) won the Big East Tourny(2010), only year not in NCAA won the NIT(2007), Hired Huggy Bear as coach, get his 700th career win, have a top ten draft pick in the NBA(Alexander, 8th, Mil)*

And as fan support: March 7, 2009, against #6 Louisville in Morgantown, featuring the largest crowd ever for ESPN's College GameDay.




*He was a bust, we can all admit that.
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#12 Posted on 8.2.05 1618.05
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I bought this! So I know.

NCAA Tournament Appearances: 10 points each
NCAA Tournament Wins: 4 points each
NCAA Final Fours: 14 points each
NCAA Tournament Finals: 16 points each
NCAA Championships: 25 points each
NIT Championships: 10 points each
Regular-Season Conference Championships: 12 points each
Conference Tournament Championships: 6 points each
Best Record for an Independent: 6 points each
All-Time W/L Percentage: Winning PCT x 40
Graduation Rate: NCAA's 2002 four-class graduation average x 10
NCAA Infractions: -3 points each
First Round Draft Picks: 1 point each
Mascot Ferocity: +/-5 points

For example's sake, the top ten:
Kentucky Wildcats: 5
UCLA Bruins: 5
North Carolina Tar Heels: -3
Kansas Jayhawks: 3
Duke Blue Devils: 2 (he's wearing a headband!)
Indiana Hoosiers: 1
Louisville Cardinals: 1
Arkansas Razorbacks: 3
Connecticut Huskies: 3
Cincinnati Bearcats: 2

EDIT!: AND the magazine also gives #101-105:
101. Florida State
102. Manhattan
103. Louisiana Tech
104. Columbia
105. Ball State

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#13 Posted on 8.2.05 1841.45
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I'm sorry, when the Arizona Wildcats ended up playing the Kentucky Wildcats for the National Championship (who won that game again? ) you should automatically lose all of your "Mascot" points. Originality counts.

And personally on the ranking scale? Plays in the ACC: +10 points.

-Jag

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#14 Posted on 8.2.05 2047.17
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      97. Loyola (IL)


    CHICAGO.




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Vic Rouse

Vic Rouse's tip in at the buzzer to beat Cincinnati in the 1963 NCAA was always one of Chicago's greatest sports moments. It's kind of moved down the list in the post-Jordan era in Chicago people's consciousness. In the early Eighties, Loyola made its comeback in the wake of the great DePaul run (Aguirre/Cummings) with the emergence of Alfredrick Hughes (although DePaul was still pretty good with Dallas Comegeys). Hughes was a dynamite scorer and those teams were FUN!

Utah at # 11?

This is really the only one of the top 40 that made me say WTF!


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#15 Posted on 8.2.05 2227.23
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Thanks Feely, now I see how they got the rankings they did. Although I am suprised UK's two run ins with the NCAA (in the 50's for point shaving and 80's when Eddie Sutton thought stuffing cash into envelope and MAILING it was okay) did not drop us down below UCLA.


    I hope the 'Cats can go undefeated in the SEC this year and while I think they can win out, I think they'll trip somewhere along the way. I sort of want them to, in a "not really" way, but I'm more concerned about winning 6 in a row from March to April and I think a loss would help grab their attention.


I couldn't agree more. Had the '96 team not lost to Mississippi State in the SEC Tournament I don't think they could have won out. Sometimes in sports you need that loss if you have been a roll for a while. That said I am glad it did not come from Florida tonight. I just don't like Matt Walsh, the kid is so Laettner-esque it's disturbing.


    Tubby is just un-human. Best coach in America IMO.


While I love Tubby to death I have to say Coach K and Rick Pitino are better college coaches than Tubby. I may even be tempted to put Roy Williams a notch above Tubby, but Tubby has a National Title and Williams does not. It's just a matter of when in the next 3 or 4 seasons Pitino wins a title at Louisville and you know Coach K will have the Dookies in the Final Four at least twice in the next five years. Keep in mind I like Tubby much better than either Governor Pitino or Coach K, I just think the record states they can Coach better than Mr. Smith.


    I'm sorry, when the Arizona Wildcats ended up playing the Kentucky Wildcats for the National Championship (who won that game again? ) you should automatically lose all of your "Mascot" points. Originality counts.


Touche' And to make matters worse our Wildcat went through the "Penis for a tongue" scandal.

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#16 Posted on 9.2.05 1009.35
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Good thing the Ducks got their 1939 NCAA Tournament Championship. But I was still surprised to see their name on the list. I'm pretty sure we got a -5 for mascot ferocity.
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#17 Posted on 9.2.05 1150.42
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Incidentally, isn't "mascot ferocity" one of the most arbitrary and useless indicators of a top program?
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#18 Posted on 9.2.05 1212.04
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Would YOU take Duke as seriously is they were the DUKE BIG BLUE?
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#19 Posted on 9.2.05 1546.40
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There should be bonus points for the program that produced the most Dudes Who Teams In The Top 5 Named Their Arenas After.
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#20 Posted on 9.2.05 2019.18
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I just like the fact that #'s 3 and 5 play each other twice EVERY YEAR. In fact, I'm watching them play right now.

-Jag
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