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NickBockwinkelFan
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#1 Posted on 1.2.05 1838.05
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Even with the general apathy shown to MMA on the board, I'm a little suprised that no one has said anything about UFC Ultimate Fighter.

The first two shows were fairly lackluster, bogged down with by the numbers reality show cliches (the drunk, the asshole, the slob, the ego maniac, the stolen food, the late night partying). They featured the standard reality show "get to know everybody" and mixed in the truly awful cliched "challenges", like competitive log sawing (the athletes at ESPN2's Stihl Timbersports are losing no sleep).

A big criticism of the show has centered on the participants themselves. UFC, worried about the perception of MMA and it's competitors, strove to pick quality people (college grads, etc) over the best fighters in many cases. Of the numerous applicants, many of the top fighters were turned down due criminal records, even if they had shown that those problems were long in their pasts. They do have some excellent, promising, young fighters involved in the show and I feel that after last night after a third elimination that the field fillers have been weeded out.

Where this show is at it's best, is when they show the training and the coaches at work. Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are world class fighters who seem to be good teachers and motivators. This is the big difference from WWE's Tough Enough, as a parallel would be Benoit and Angle doing the training.

They finally got it right with last night's episode (no.3). By having the eliminations being determined by who loses the fight in the octagon, the show reaches it's potential. Watching Bobby Southworth have to cut 24 lbs in 18 hours is unbelievable. It really brought back my high school coach's mantra, "alright gentlemen, let's tape on the bags!" (which meant: heavy duty black Hefty bags worn under sweatshirts and duct taped off at the wrists and then run, ride the bike and get wrapped up in the mats)

Ultimate Fighter has finally hit it's stride with an excellent fight to cap last night's show. Is anyone else watching?





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#2 Posted on 1.2.05 1906.52
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I'd heard some good stuff about this show, but I'm glad I was too lazy to change the channel after Raw. I'm amazed that a person could lose so much weight (even if its just water) so quickly. Bobby was such a wuss about it though. I liked when after the weigh in, the doctor was telling Liddell that Bobby was fine, and Liddell was just nodding and grinning because he knew that Bobby hadn't even begun to sweat... Then Bobby goes and takes all the credit for making weight to get into the fight. Nevermind the fact that the blond haired guy had to DRAG him into the sauna, and Liddell had to sit against the door to keep him in there. Those two guys are the only reason Bobby was able to fight, and he's a fool if he can't see that.
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#3 Posted on 1.2.05 2232.29
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Bobby looks to have some decent skills and size. He just showed up in bad shape and has a bad attitude. The problem is that it doesn't appear that he got the message by the end of the show. That means he's probably going to have to fight again soon and will get beat by a better fighter.

Lodune had some serious psychological issues that really looked to have prevented him from being in the right mental shape to win the fight. He's got the drive but he had some serious confidence issues by the night before the fight. He'll have to get those sorted out before he can go anywhere.

The best part of the show was when Bobby wussed out during the competition and Chuck was furious and ranted to Dana White. I'm waiting for Chuck to direct that tirade towards Bobby.
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#4 Posted on 2.2.05 0209.34
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    Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
    Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are world class fighters who seem to be good teachers and motivators. This is the big difference from WWE's Tough Enough, as a parallel would be Benoit and Angle doing the training.
I've watched parts of the previous episodes, & thought it was pretty good. (I've now got the TiVo set up to grab the replays.) One thing I thought was particularly interesting was some discussion about the coaches respective styles -- that one of them (Coture?) was tending to train all his guys in his own style; & that the other (Liddell?) wanted to round out the guys' repertoire while still focusing on their pre-existing strengths. (Liddell graduated from Cal Poly??? Woosh! :-) )

    Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
    They finally got it right with last night's episode (no.3). By having the eliminations being determined by who loses the fight in the octagon, the show reaches it's potential. Watching Bobby Southworth have to cut 24 lbs in 18 hours is unbelievable. It really brought back my high school coach's mantra, "alright gentlemen, let's tape on the bags!" (which meant: heavy duty black Hefty bags worn under sweatshirts and duct taped off at the wrists and then run, ride the bike and get wrapped up in the mats)
I'll get back to you after I've actually seen the episode. However, in the meantime, I'll just toss this out. (Not that I expect this to be a shocking revelation.) The whole "making weight" thing is ... highly off-putting to many people. Me included. Whether it's for (competitive) wrestling, boxing, MMA .. whatever. I generally find that all to be much grosser & stupider than pretty much anything that happens in-ring. (No personal offence intended.) I get the concept of wanting to divide the competitors up, so it isn't all "big guy squash". But still... desiccation is best left as a food preservation technique. I'll get back to you after I've seen the episode. :-)
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#5 Posted on 2.2.05 0409.05
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I love me some MMA and watch the show!

I totally agree that the first two episodes had a lot of crap and were below par but that the third episode was awesome. The third episode felt like some pretty original TV as almost the entire hour was a build up to the fight a the end. The challenge was still stupid but even that was better this episode as it had Southworth crumbling and continued to build to the end of the episode. If every remaining episode is like this one I'll be shitting in tall cotton. I was worried when they said Willa Ford was going to host the show but she's barely on it and is just there for eye candy. Hell, Dana White plays a bigger part in the show. And he's just as dreamy!
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#6 Posted on 7.2.05 1351.48
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I think this show is awesome and I have no complaints. I exhaust myself disecting WWE so it is nice to just sit back and be entertained.

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#7 Posted on 8.2.05 1645.05
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I found episode 4 pretty entertaining and the show was capped by a good fight. They kept building toward the Leben vs Koshchek showdown (which should be an excellent match-up) but we ended up with Sanchez vs Karelexis. These two guys didn't like each other much and their mutual contempt for one another actually built a decent storyline over the last half hour.

The "challenges" continue to be pointless and Leben saying, "I came here to fight, not throw medicine balls!", was the quote of the night. I feel that the challenges are the weakest link in the show and are truly unneccesary. There has to be a better way to determine the fight match-ups. Also, I don't care for moving a guy off of a team just to even things up. Eventually they will have to merge the teams unless they bring in others to spar. But over-all I enjoy the show.

The Sanchez/Karelexis match was (in Couture's own words) a classic grappler vs puncher match-up. After Karelexis swung those huge punches and exposed his hips for an immediate takedown, the writing was on the wall. When Karelexis gave Diego his back, it was over. Rear naked choke and a quick tap out. Karelexis was lucky that Diego didn't rain elbows into his face (ala Couture) when the opportunity presented itself. Nice backstory for Diego as an expectant father who really could use the $5000.00 submission bonus.

Good Show.

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