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#1 Posted on 13.1.05 0827.19
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This just in: (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)

The big rumor flyin' around here is that Packer president Bob Harlan, when he meets with head coach/GM Mike Sherman later today (Thursday Jan. 13), is that Harlan will strip Sherman of his general manager duties, leaving him just as the Packers' head coach.

The top candidate to replace Sherman as GM is Ted Thompson, the Seahawks' VP of football operations...who has some history with both Sherman and the Pack:

    Originally posted by The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
    Thompson served as pro personnel director and director of player personnel under {ex-Packers GM Ron} Wolf from 1992-'99. He worked with all three of the Packers' top personnel men - personnel analyst John Schneider, pro personnel director Reggie McKenzie and college scouting director John Dorsey - while in Green Bay and still has a close relationship with them.

    Schneider and Dorsey also worked with Thompson in Seattle.

    Though they aren't considered close, Thompson was with the Packers when Sherman was an assistant coach in '97 and '98 and shares a close relationship with Sherman's mentor, Seattle coach Mike Holmgren. Both Thompson and Sherman are considered to be committed primarily to doing what's right for the organization, and they could be a good fit together.


Oh, and yes, my station reported this yesterday. (WBAY-TV)

Personally, I think it's a good move, considering the only draft choice of Sherman's that's amounted to anything is WR Javon Walker, and Carroll may be the franchise's biggest bust in years. Although, I'm tempted to lynch Sherman as coach, too. Anybody who gives the franchise its first 2 playoff losses at home, especially within 3 years, is kinda on my sh*t list.
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#2 Posted on 13.1.05 0858.53
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I don't understand why they even hired him in the dual role. We've seen this again and again in the NHL as well as in football: the coach and GM for a given team need to be two different people. It's too much job for one man.

The names people bring up when they talk about success in dual roles are Mike Shanahan, Tom Coughlin, and Bill Parcells. None of the three has done anything useful since Shanahan won a Superbowl.

I don't think Sherman's that great a coach, but I think he'd have a better record and one less home playoff loss if he was just the coach and not the GM as well.
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#3 Posted on 13.1.05 2201.35
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Actually, I think lately people mention Andy Reid and Bill Belicheck, who are a little bit more succesful. But I agree that most people can't pull it off.
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#4 Posted on 13.1.05 2213.44
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I don't think Belicheck is the GM/person in charge of personnell. Scot Piolli(?) is. Belicheck, however, has a lot of say in who they bring in.
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#5 Posted on 13.1.05 2226.49
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I stand corrected. New England doesn't have a GM. Pioli is the Vice President in charge of Player Personnel.

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#6 Posted on 14.1.05 0737.31
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Every NFL team has to list the person who has "final say" in all decision. For NE that is Belicheck. It is the reason why Pioli could leave to be the GM of the Browns if he really wanted to (and if they wanted him).
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#7 Posted on 14.1.05 0858.41
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    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    I don't think Belicheck is the GM/person in charge of personnell. Scot Piolli(?) is. Belicheck, however, has a lot of say in who they bring in.


As does Joe Banner in Philly but I think both Reid and Belicheck have the final say.

The total control makes sense since the coach is going to be the one using the players so picking your own guys is logical its just the workload that is too much for some to handle.
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#8 Posted on 14.1.05 0930.51
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While it may be pronounced "Bell-a-chek," it is spelled Belichick. I know everybody in this thread and probably on this whole internet spells it incorrectly, but damn. It's Belichick. He's won two freaking Super Bowls and we can't spell his name correctly?
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#9 Posted on 14.1.05 1018.10
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    Originally posted by pieman
    While it may be pronounced "Bell-a-chek," it is spelled Belichick. I know everybody in this thread and probably on this whole internet spells it incorrectly, but damn. It's Belichick. He's won two freaking Super Bowls and we can't spell his name correctly?

I don't think I've ever typed his name. However, I must confess to having gone to the Patriots website, because I was convinced that there was an "e" in the third syllable, not an "i".

I am sorry to have doubted you, pieman (PS - I miss your Rollie Pollie Ollie avatar).
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#10 Posted on 14.1.05 1027.45
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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    (PS - I miss your Rollie Pollie Ollie avatar)
What, Bert Blyleven doesn't work for you? Guru was hosting RPO for me. If lets me know where it is, I will put it back up!
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#11 Posted on 14.1.05 1122.07
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Ted Thompson is in as Packers GM, while Mike Sherman will be Executive VP and Head Coach. Seems like an odd split, but it would indicate that Sherman will be around a little longer.
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#12 Posted on 14.1.05 1302.15
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    Originally posted by pieman
    Guru was hosting RPO for me. If lets me know where it is, I will put it back up!
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#13 Posted on 14.1.05 1322.09
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That's why you guys are the computer guys and I am not (among other things).
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#14 Posted on 15.1.05 2244.21
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From what I've heard about the Pats, is that when Belichick and Pioli are making decisions on players, they have to agree... one doesn't have "final say" over the other.

When they're doing a draft board, they'll go over a name, and if either says no, they throw the name out and only keep the guys they both like.
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