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#1 Posted on 11.1.05 1324.35
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A few wrestlers who received a push over the past year or so from the WWE. Most are now dead, or thrashing, in the water.

Here are some dead or faltering pushes, off the top of my head:

Rene Dupree: Looked so good on RAW, they wanted to get him away from La Res so he could shine in singles matches; the French Phenom jumped to SD, where he had a lot of TV time at first, lots of promos and interviews, but then slid quickly down the card. Can the bad blond highlights be the cause?

Shelton Benjamin: started his push as the man Triple H could never beat. Triple H has now beaten him. Shelton, as IC champ, you may now have all the wins over Maven that you could ever wish for.

Kenzo Suzuki/Hirohito: "Hirohito" was supposed to the WWE's big new program last summer. The bronze warrior, who first arrived to the ring in a sedan chair carried by servents, is now the dancing clown in the Uncle Sam costume. Good one.

Mark Jindrak: lame Lex Luger gimmick got lamer by a long shot. Teddy Long got the best of this deal. More TV time led to his run a SD GM. Jindrak wasn't so lucky.

Garrison Cade: Tried teaming him up with Heyman. Pretty drop kick, but terrible booking and an angle with no personality. Better luck next time, Garrison. See you on Heat.

Mordecai: Capitalizing on the success of The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown, WWE brings in its own Knight Templar to feud with the Dead Man. This sucked ass. Rest In Peace. Whatever.

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#2 Posted on 11.1.05 1338.57
Reposted on: 11.1.12 1339.41
    Originally posted by Stilton
    Rene Dupree: Looked so good on RAW, they wanted to get him away from La Res so he could shine in singles matches; the French Phenom jumped to SD, where he had a lot of TV time at first, lots of promos and interviews, but then slid quickly down the card. Can the bad blond highlights be the cause?


While he did decidedly lose the Cena feud, he just lost the tag titles after a three-month reign.


    Shelton Benjamin: started his push as the man Triple H could never beat. Triple H has now beaten him. Shelton, as IC champ, you may now have all the wins over Maven that you could ever wish for.


Moved to RAW and immediately became a name performer by beating Triple H in a variety of ways, taking the IC title from Jericho after delivering a promo against Vince and winning out the Christian feud and apparently now the Maven feud. He's got to be considered the top midcard face on the show.

The perfomer whose push I mourn is Hurricane. Was once half the tag champs, worked well with the big guys, got a major rub from The Rock and now is the in the Tommy Dreamer Memorial RAW Jobber spot. He's put over Simon Dean and Mohhamd within two months' time. The gimmick is one now of the lovable loser, eclipsing the once entertaining superhero gimmick.

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#3 Posted on 11.1.05 1345.34
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    The bronze warrior, who first arrived to the ring in a sedan chair carried by servents, is now the dancing clown in the Uncle Sam costume. Good one.


Aw, c'mon...Kenzo is A#1 and the best in his current gimmick. Anyone can sit on a sedan and act all stoic, but can just anyone be Kenzo? I think not.

    Originally posted by Stilton
    Shelton Benjamin: started his push as the man Triple H could never beat. Triple H has now beaten him. Shelton, as IC champ, you may now have all the wins over Maven that you could ever wish for.


HHH hasn't really beaten him clean yet, and to just mention Maven is forgetting what Jericho and Christian have already done to help get him over as a badass. It's not if they lose to HHH, it's how. Booker lost to a coma-inducing pedigree clean as laundry and Jeff Hardy got nothing against him in 2001...that's different than having a false pin with Flair running all over the place as a distraction into a pedigree for a cheap win. His time should come somewhere around mid-late 2005 or so at his current rate.
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#4 Posted on 11.1.05 1352.32
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I beg to differ with the Shelton Benjamin dead push. An injury slowed him down, but he came back pretty solid I thought.

But, we could add Charlie Haas to the mix. He seems lost in the shuffle now.
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#5 Posted on 11.1.05 1355.57
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Gotta disagree with Shelton's push being killed. Right now, he's probably where he needs to be, holding the IC belt, and developing into the next superstar of the WWE. If he continues to improve on what he already has, there's no way he cant be a future WWE champ.

I never got to see him on SmackDown, except for the few times he was on a co-brand PPV with Haas. Kind of an afterthought. But after his first match on Raw, I was an instant fan. I get to go to the Raw show next Friday night in Abilene, and him being there is one of the highlights of the night to me. Not to mention, he busts out the Stinger Splash, an ode to my favorite wrestler of all time, Sting.

But again, give him time, he'll be sitting up top soon enough.
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#6 Posted on 11.1.05 1407.08
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    A few wrestlers who received a push over the past year or so from the WWE. Most are now dead, or thrashing, in the water.

    (list clipped)


How is this different from any other year? People get pushed, it doesn't work out for some, and then they stop getting pushed; happens all the time. What's your point about these guys or this year?

(in other words: in what way is this not a list thread?)
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#7 Posted on 11.1.05 1414.16
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Triple H And Beating People:

-Shelton Benjamin: [12/27/04] Flair-ference.
-Maven [11/15/04] Interference from Flair, Batista, Benoit & Jericho.
-Shawn Michaels [10/19/04] Edge-ference.
-Chris Jericho [10/4/04] Lumberjack-ference.
-Randy Orton [9/12/04] Interference from Flair & Batista.
-Eugene [9/6/04] Clean cage win.
-Eugene [8/15/04] Flair & Regal interfered.
-William Regal [6/28/04] DQ win with Eugene as ref (during his honorary membership in Evolution).
-Shawn Michaels [6/13/04] Clean Hell in a Cell win.
-Tajiri [4/26/04] Clean.

So...that's three clean one-on-one wins during ALL OF LAST YEAR. Triple H must be the push killer.
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#8 Posted on 11.1.05 1424.24
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I'd add Chavo Guerrero, Paul London, and Kidman to the list of pushes gone south.
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#9 Posted on 11.1.05 1432.09
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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Originally posted by Stilton
      A few wrestlers who received a push over the past year or so from the WWE. Most are now dead, or thrashing, in the water.

      (list clipped)


    How is this different from any other year? People get pushed, it doesn't work out for some, and then they stop getting pushed; happens all the time. What's your point about these guys or this year?

    (in other words: in what way is this not a list thread?)


Just an oberservation and opportunity for discussion on current happenings. I'd call it more a year-in-review thread than a list thread.

Some disagree with me that Shelton's push has been diminished, so there is already some discussion happening there. I personally would have liked to have seen him keep his streak against Triple H a little longer, so that it would mean something to his build-up as a future WWE SUPERstar.

It's an interesting facet to the business, and the WWE in particular, this fickleness. A lot of wrestlers seem like great prospects, but if they don't catch fire immediately, then the investment in them drops, sometimes to nil (well, for some of the guys, at least).

Some guys kill their own push because they screw up in some way. Some guys just fail to get over with the crowd -- maybe because of bad booking or lame gimmicks, or maybe because of a lack of talent (I'm looking at you, Heidenreich).

This thread is chance for all the W's to discuss where the WWE, or where certain wrestlers, went wrong over the past year, so that is why I don't see it as a list thread.

Cheers.
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#10 Posted on 11.1.05 1525.33
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Rene Dupree, Kenzo Suzuki, Mark Jindrak, and Mordecai didn't deserve pushes to begin with. Rene would've been better off sticking with La Resistance to cut two stupid acts into one, which at least gets to do the three-man team and have a dog. Kenzo, Jindrak, and Mordecai shouldn't have even been on TV.

Like TheGreekPhysique, I would instead mourn the loss of
- Chavo Guerrero as an important player
- Paul London's five months of relevance
- Billy Kidman & The Fatal Shooting Star Press

Those guys were given up on for reasons that had nothing to do with any of their actual performances. Kidman and London, in fact, had the best match at No Mercy and were rewarded by being forgotten about. OTOH, Dupree, Jindrak, Kenzo, and Mordecai were given every chance to succeed but all sucked too bad to do so.

I liked Garrison Cade though. They didn't really give up on him, he just got hurt mid-summer and has been gone.

But the biggest dead push of 2004 is former #2 star of the Raw Brand Eugene. He went back to where he should've stayed in the first place, as a popular fun midcard act, but from June to August he was chewed up and spit out by HHH, who joins himself at the hip to every hot act and then steals their internal organs.
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#11 Posted on 11.1.05 1539.20
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    ...but from June to August he was chewed up and spit out by HHH, who joins himself at the hip to every hot act and then steals their internal organs.


See Also: The Benoit/Orton World Title Feud, Shawn Michaels' Return, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Kane's Unmasking, Goldberg, Chris Jericho...
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#12 Posted on 11.1.05 1547.57
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    This thread is chance for all the W's to discuss where the WWE, or where certain wrestlers, went wrong over the past year, so that is why I don't see it as a list thread.
No, really. It's a list thread. Although...I'm not surprised at all that YOU don't see it as a list thread. Honestly, I finally ban TopTenPro and sure enough, someone immediately steps in attempting to take his place.
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#13 Posted on 11.1.05 1609.24
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      ...but from June to August he was chewed up and spit out by HHH, who joins himself at the hip to every hot act and then steals their internal organs.


    See Also: The Benoit/Orton World Title Feud, Shawn Michaels' Return, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Kane's Unmasking, Goldberg, Chris Jericho...


Sorry, you're only getting one from that list.

Benoit/Orton lasted three weeks, and didn't have any substance for HHH to latch on to.

What other program could HBK have worked upon his return?

RVD had already cooled off by the time HHH got off the DL.

Booker and HHH never had any significant contact until a year and a half after Booker debuted. There are some who say Booker was irreparably damaged way before then.

HHH was just a side player in Kane's unmasking. The issue was Austin "motivating" Kane to be a monster again.

Goldberg wasn't there to be latched on to. *The* program in 03 was supposed to be HHH-Goldberg.

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#14 Posted on 11.1.05 1725.42
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    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I beg to differ with the Shelton Benjamin dead push. An injury slowed him down, but he came back pretty solid I thought.

    But, we could add Charlie Haas to the mix. He seems lost in the shuffle now.


I'll agree with you on Benjamin, he's not done yet. His injury slowed him down, plus having an elimination match for the Title this month had all of the top talent dedicated to that. Maybe now that the World Title pictures if figured out one of those top talents will take on Shelton.

As for Haas, I don't think he qualifies since you have to GET a push in order to lose it.

I'll throw Victoria into the mix, for months now all we've seen is Lita and Trish and it seems Victoria is now forgotten.

(edited by Quezzy on 11.1.05 1526)
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#15 Posted on 11.1.05 1751.38
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
      Originally posted by Freeway420
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        ...but from June to August he was chewed up and spit out by HHH, who joins himself at the hip to every hot act and then steals their internal organs.


      See Also: The Benoit/Orton World Title Feud, Shawn Michaels' Return, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Kane's Unmasking, Goldberg, Chris Jericho...


    Sorry, you're only getting one from that list.

    Benoit/Orton lasted three weeks, and didn't have any substance for HHH to latch on to.


How about Benoit having Orton beaten on RAW until Evolution interfered? How about Orton beating Benoit clean without Evolution's help at SummerSlam? As soon as Orton got the boot from Evolution, Benoit magically forgot that he wanted the title.
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#16 Posted on 11.1.05 1850.28
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    Originally posted by Freeway420
    So...that's three clean one-on-one wins during ALL OF LAST YEAR. Triple H must be the push killer


Well, yeah, if he's in every single damn PPV title match, he can do clean jobs to he breaks his back because he knows that it won't hurt him at all or keep him from being everything to everyone on Raw. I don't really care if HHH never does a clean job again, I'd just kind of like to see him not do them somewhere in the mid card for a while, not that that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.
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#17 Posted on 11.1.05 2001.39
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I don't know if this counts as a dead 2004 push, but I think its pretty sad that Rob Van Dam is continously stuck in boring tag team feuds when he should be wrestling for the world title or at least the US title on Smackdown. Its just that the singles, mid-card programs going on there right now are so boring, and Cena is feuding with slugs like Carlito and/or Jesus. If they did like a program like RVD vs. Rey Mysterio with the US title added into the mix that would be pretty interesting since its a fresh match and program. Something Smackdown could really use right about now.

(edited by The Vile1 on 11.1.05 1925)
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#18 Posted on 11.1.05 2010.53
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If anything, Triple H jobs too much these days. The WM job to Benoit meant something because of his refusal to ever lose. Only problem there, is that in order to build that properly we have to sit through years of unflinching dominance from an amazingly boring peformer. And when he finally does lose, it doesn't mean all that much if he never leaves the main event position. Which he doesn't. So even when he jobs he really doesn't do anyone any good.

Which would be fine if he drew money, but he doesn't do that either. And that's why he's a terrible top heel.
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