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#1 Posted on 4.1.05 2143.13
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Click Here (cjr.org)

Really a good, informative read if you ask me. CJR blasts the media and the black mark left by the CBS mess, but not because of the network's possible use of forged documents but for the rest of the media's anxiousness to jump to conclusions and assume the documents were fake while ignoring the ties between a network of people seeking to discredit Dan Rather.

The CJR doesn't say CBS is innocent - they seem to imply that the network probably screwed up - but it says bloggers and the mainstream media don't know nearly enough as it is now and they certainly didn't have enough info in September when the story "broke."
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#2 Posted on 4.1.05 2243.01
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    Originally posted by CJR
    Indeed, they could be fake but accurate, as Killian’s secretary, Marian Carr Knox, told CBS on September 15.


Well, the memos were fake. But they said something true, so that's ok. Yeah, that's responsible journalism.

It goes on:

    Originally posted by CRJ
    The very first post attacking the memos — nineteen minutes into the 60 Minutes II program — was on the right-wing Web site FreeRepublic.com by an active Air Force officer, Paul Boley of Montgomery, Alabama, who went by the handle “TankerKC.” Nearly four hours later it was followed by postings from “Buckhead,” whom the Los Angeles Times later identified as Harry MacDougald, a Republican lawyer in Atlanta. (MacDougald refused to tell the Times how he was able to mount a case against the documents so quickly.) Other blogs quickly picked up the charges. One of the story’s top blogs, Rathergate.com, is registered to a firm run by Richard Viguerie, the legendary conservative fund-raiser. Some were fed by the conservative Media Research Center and by Creative Response Concepts, the same p.r. firm that promoted the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.


Ok, great. So it was attacked by Republicans. No news on the memos themselves being promoted by Democrats, Democrat operatives, or Rather and Rather's daughter's ties to the Democrat party.

The obvious agenda of this piece is to defend the mainstream media and paint the whole thing is largely a GOP operation. "Mistakes were made," perhaps, but isn't really the fault of the people trying to uncover them?

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#3 Posted on 4.1.05 2346.21
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Really a good, informative read if you ask me. CJR blasts the media and the black mark left by the CBS mess, but not because of the network's possible use of forged documents but for the rest of the media's anxiousness to jump to conclusions and assume the documents were fake while ignoring the ties between a network of people seeking to discredit Dan Rather.
    The CJR doesn't say CBS is innocent - they seem to imply that the network probably screwed up - but it says bloggers and the mainstream media don't know nearly enough as it is now and they certainly didn't have enough info in September when the story "broke."


If by good informative read you mean shoddy, factually incorrect, and generally poor reporting, I'd have to agree with you. Otherwise, I'd say it is an attempt by CJR, who ignored the story the first time around, to vainly attempt to excuse their hiding their head in the sand rather than actually, you know, looking at the "journalism" being practiced.

But, rather than taking my word for it, I'd suggest taking a look at the sites that Mr. Pein so casually impugns. For example LGF (littlegreenfootballs.com) has a rather thorough response to the charges up. Jim Lindgren (volokh.com) also has a rather pointed response to the article and includes some information from typography experts disputing Mr. Pein's incorrect assertions. If you don't like those two, you can also check out Wizbang's (wizbangblog.com) response to the article and Pein's characterization of their actions. In short, I'd say that the CJR piece is nothing more than a bad job of CYA.

Tim

edited to say that I originally forgot to include Powerline's illuminating response to the article.

Tim

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#4 Posted on 5.1.05 0704.23
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The CJR report is, ironically, shoddy journalism in defending shoddy journalism. What's really sad is that the Columbia School is the most respected school in journalism, which may explain why this sort of behavior a la CBS, Jason Blair, is tolerated.
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