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#1 Posted on 27.12.04 1919.45
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/un.tsunami/index.html


I know its early but America expects to give 15 million. After spending 200 billion on Iraq, that does seem stingy.

Meh, I guess something is better than nothing.
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#2 Posted on 27.12.04 2018.16
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From what I read the U.S. is giving as much if not more than anyone else. Sure Australia and Spain is giving more by GDP and certainly the US should give more aid. But most of the time giving money doesn't really help out as much as food, medicine, and doctors do. Also I did not read how much Canada is giving in either of the 2 articles. Is that listed anywhere I am curious what percentage of GDP they are sending.
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#3 Posted on 27.12.04 2148.47
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It seems Canada's initial response is $4 million, also seen as "stingy".

I think all financial aid right now is simply an initial response, and those numbers are certainly going to grow over time.
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#4 Posted on 28.12.04 0011.01
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Not to mention other types of aid, such as search and rescue, military assistance, etc.
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#5 Posted on 28.12.04 0058.25
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If they'd just admit that Godzilla was the *real* cause of all of this destruction...


But they never will...

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#6 Posted on 28.12.04 0205.39
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    It seems Canada's initial response is $4 million, also seen as "stingy".

    I think all financial aid right now is simply an initial response, and those numbers are certainly going to grow over time.


OK that's as much as the entire EU is giving and about 3 times as much as the US (based on GDP) is giving.
I hope that the people there get enough food, water, blankets, medicine and help like that ASAP.
But the UN really needs to just shut up. Until they have the courage to at least mention the Sudan situation they have no moral authority whatsoever. I count the US and all the other countries in there with that too.
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#7 Posted on 28.12.04 0618.40
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Americans give more to relief efforts than any nation on earth. The UN can go to hell...
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#8 Posted on 28.12.04 1055.07
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How much did Canada spend on its "free" healthcare? Probably more than the 4 million they coughed up for this.

How about you worry about what YOUR government spends money on, and let us American's worry about what OUR government spends our money on? Deal?

The Planes, supplies and sending the Navy ships over, plus the fuel to fly the helo's to evacuate the wounded, to relocate people, to provide them with food, clean water, shelter, etc will break the $14 million mark alone, not to mention the manpower the USA will have dedicated to the efforts.
And, I am pretty sure the citizens of the USA have given the Red Cross more than $14million this year, and I am quite sure a lot of that cash will find its way overseas. So, thanks for taking a swipe at our nation and our government. When your country provides as much as we will, come back and let us know.
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#9 Posted on 28.12.04 1127.23
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Both countries, and the rest of the world, are going to end up giving a whole lot more aid to the region. Around here, everyone seems to be moved to donate funds in a force I haven't seen since the Live Aid concert in 1985.

I guess the UN's intention was to shame countries into donating. It was wholly unnecessary, and extremely premature.

I don't see there being anything useful in claiming one country's superiority over another by comparing amounts donated.
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#10 Posted on 28.12.04 1150.14
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I've got two words for 'em. (And, no, they aren't nice ones, either.) Where was the UN when the hurricanes came through Florida? Where is the UN when floods ravage Europe? I've just learned to ignore that bunch of fools (although I did bite this time - dang).
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#11 Posted on 28.12.04 1150.16
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"How much did Canada spend on its "free" healthcare? Probably more than the 4 million they coughed up for this."

Irrelevant

"How about you worry about what YOUR government spends money on, and let us American's worry about what OUR government spends our money on? Deal?"

How about no. The UN made a statement and I agreed with it. Thats not being overly concerned with what your government does.

"The Planes, supplies and sending the Navy ships over, plus the fuel to fly the helo's to evacuate the wounded, to relocate people, to provide them with food, clean water, shelter, etc will break the $14 million mark alone, not to mention the manpower the USA will have dedicated to the efforts. And, I am pretty sure the citizens of the USA have given the Red Cross more than $14million this year, and I am quite sure a lot of that cash will find its way overseas."

That is all you had to say rather than get all paranoid and defensive. Pull the pickle out of your ass.

"So, thanks for taking a swipe at our nation and our government. When your country provides as much as we will, come back and let us know."

Yours wasn't the only country the UN took a snipe at. Many were reported as being stingy including my own, and I happen to agree.
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#12 Posted on 28.12.04 1224.34
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"How much did Canada spend on its "free" healthcare? Probably more than the 4 million they coughed up for this.

Irrelevant"

Just as irrelevant as how much we spend in Iraq.

"How about no. The UN made a statement and I agreed with it. Thats not being overly concerned with what your government does."

But you point out America in the title of the thread, and point out the irrelevant war spending as well. Seems like you might have a wee bit too much free time to be worrying about US Taxpayers money, and how it is sent overseas.

"Yours wasn't the only country the UN took a snipe at. Many were reported as being stingy including my own, and I happen to agree. "

Then perhaps leaving the US's spending policies out of the discussion might have been a better option for you. But, if you agree that all nations should be shelling out more cash, then we do agree on something. No need to bicker about it either way.





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#13 Posted on 28.12.04 1307.04
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#14 Posted on 28.12.04 1336.40
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seems like the retreat into xenophobia love of country was a little hasty

Click Here (reuters.com)

UN Official Backs Down: Rich Nations Not 'Stingy'

U.N. Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland rowed back from statements he made on Monday after an annoyed Secretary of State Colin Powell said Washington was "the greatest contributor to international relief efforts in the world."

"The United States is not stingy," Powell told CNN's "American Morning" program.

Egeland told reporters on Tuesday: "I've been misinterpreted when I yesterday said that I believed that rich countries in general can be more generous."

"It has nothing to do with any particular country or the response to this emergency. We are in early days and the response has so far been overwhelmingly positive," he said.

"The international assistance that has come and been pledged from the United States, from Europe and from countries in the region has also been very generous," Egeland added.


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#15 Posted on 28.12.04 1431.45
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I hope he pack pedals much farther than that in the coming days.

So our GOVERNMENT is only giving $15 million ($35 million now). Most Americans don't see the government as a form of charity - most of our charity is made up of private infrastructure. And even BEYOND the money - we are donating manpower. C-130s. Hell, our navy.

I said a long time ago that the UN and many nations in the world are always screaming about the US minding its own business when it comes to things like Iraq, but then scream that we aren't doing enough when things like this happens. He seem to have proved my point, in a way.

Even if we WERE stingy, we should have been thanked for pledging what we did, instead of assailed for not doing more. Hell, this tragedy is still very young yet, we don't even know the extent of what is GOING to be needed yet. Why go out of your way to irk those you want more money from down the road? Makes no sense to me.

This whole thing just pushed me farther in the camp of "Pull out of the UN."
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#16 Posted on 28.12.04 1435.31
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The U.N. isn't exactly racist or xenophobic. They just don't like Europeans and Americans. Not that the African and Asian nations don't have very good reasons but basicly if they have an opportunity to bash the rich white countries they will. If they gave a shit about their own problems like Rwanda, Congo, Sudan, and a whole lot of other countries I could at least respect them. But no they don't care and unfortunately neither do we. The truth of the matter is that unless white people are doing either the killing or dying the world in general just doest care.
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#17 Posted on 28.12.04 1509.45
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Stealing shamelessly from Atrios:

Tsunami aid: $15 million
Cost of Bush's inauguration festivities: $30-40 million dollar budget (before security costs).

In THAT kind of context, $15 million does look kinda weak. I know which of those two I'd consider to be more important, and more productive towards rebuilding America's image and PR around the world.

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I said a long time ago that the UN and many nations in the world are always screaming about the US minding its own business when it comes to things like Iraq, but then scream that we aren't doing enough when things like this happens.


As well they should. We're sending $15 million in disaster relief, but spending several orders of magnitude more on what many consider to be an unwarranted invasion. I'd rather see it the other way around, myself.


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#18 Posted on 28.12.04 1535.02
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I dont believe the Federal Government pays the tab on the inauguration, I believe the RNC does.


    Seems like you worry a bit too much about what people think about America.


So, are we supposed to care about our global reputation?

I dont get why when we make a decision that is in our best interests, we get the "the global community is against that policy" yet when we actually have an opinion about how we're seen, then somehow that is wrong too?

But, I guess if I were Canadian, where 90% of the planet doesnt have an opinion of my nation, one way or the other, I could be pretty much indifferent as well.
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#19 Posted on 28.12.04 1718.11
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First on American money: Maybe I'm crazy, but when did the executive branch get the power to direct money overseas without legislative approval? I'm not saying money shouldn't be sent to aid the region, just a constitutional question. That, and making Congress have to go into session during the holidays is always humorous.
Also, I hope representatives of the League of Nations, I mean United Nations, keep making statements like this. Eventually, they'll make one comment to many and the U.S. Government will finally come out of its 60 year coma and get out of this organization, and in the process reclaim the East Side of New York as American territory.
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#20 Posted on 28.12.04 1811.27
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I am sure that the money pledged to the relief effort is part of a discretionary budget that was already approved by Congress for the purposes of foreign aid.

I just think it is low class to call anyone stingy at this point, when we don't even have a clear idea what is needed yet. AND when you are calling someone stingy, without even considering the sum total of all of the aid given. I am confident when it is all said and done, the US will have donated more than its fair share, no matter what scale you choose to look at. His comments were an unnecessary and wholly inappropriate political shot when his mind should be on more important matters.


(edited by Pool-Boy on 28.12.04 1612)
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