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#1 Posted on 5.4.02 0827.26
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Taken from Metal-Sludge and KNAC's website, who in turn got it from megadeth.com, IIRC:

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DAVE MUSTAINE -- FOUNDER, VOCALIST, AND LEAD GUITARIST OF METAL PIONEERS MEGADETH -- SUFFERS SERIOUS INJURY, ANNOUNCES DEPARTURE FROM MEGADETH;
GROUP DISBANDING AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS TOGETHER

During the first week of January 2002, while Megadeth was on hiatus, in Texas, I suffered an injury that caused severe nerve damage to my left arm and hand. It was diagnosed as Radial Neuropathy - specifically, a "compressed radial nerve." My doctors tell me it will take about a year to make as complete a recovery as I can, and even then, we don't know how complete that is going to be. I am working hard with a great team of doctors and physical therapists daily, and God willing, someday I hope to play guitar again.

In the meantime, while I work on rebuilding my arm, I will take this opportunity to reappraise my career and my future. For the time being I have decided to exit Megadeth, and explore other areas of the music business where I might make a contribution without being able to play my instrument.

I have had a terrific time singing and playing for you while I was in Megadeth. I am truly grateful for all of the numerous Gold, Platinum, and Multi-Platinum Records I have been awarded, as well as the many International Record Awards. And I can never thank you, our fans past and present, enough for your loyalty and affection over the years.

My immediate goals now are to do what I can to make something good come out of this terrible situation. First and foremost, I want to use this opportunity to devote more time, energy and attention to my wife Pam and my two children, Justis and Electra. Pam has done a wonderful job carrying the load while I was a long-distance husband and father in the studio or criss-crossing the world on tour, but in terms of being a Gold or Platinum parent, I have a long way to go, and I'm eager to get started.

In closing I would like to depart with the beautiful French words I wrote on the record Youthanasia: "A tout le monde, a tous mes amis, Je vous aime, Je dois partir." (To all the world, to all my friends. I love you, I have to leave)

Dave Mustaine
April 3rd, 2002
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Ack. Now one of the last "true" metal bands has apparently bit the dust. With Mustaine's injury, James Hetfield's rehab from alcohol and drug abuse, and Jason Newstead leaving Metallica, is traditional metal as we know it dead?
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#2 Posted on 5.4.02 1029.12
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"Traditional metal" really "died" after Metallica's black album was released. With the MTV advent of the "alternative music boom," even Metallica was forced to change their sound, look and style to "fit in" with a permanently changed musical/video landscape where their traditional sound was no longer "acceptable" by the mainstream they were so desperately trying to appeal to at that point. I point to the "Load" album as evidence. They did things they said they'd "never" do from then on and it's just not been the same. Anyone who says they didn't change is most likely in denial.
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#3 Posted on 6.4.02 1459.21
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i'm no great metal fun but i'm bummed about the demise of megadeth. mustaine's fingering hand has to be 100% to play that stuff. it's best he's not trying to fool anyone.

bring on the boxed sets and unreleased material!

i stopped listening to metallica after "...and justice for all" so i missed out on the black album and load stuff. justice was a peak for them though. it was their version of U2's "rattle and hum" - the sound couldn't really go anywhere else.
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#4 Posted on 6.4.02 2236.23
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    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.
    justice was a peak for them though. it was their version of U2's "rattle and hum" - the sound couldn't really go anywhere else.
Not to split hairs here or be argumentative, but The Joshua Tree is considered U2's peak by most (myself included). Rattle and Hum was a film made about the concert tour that supported the Joshua Tree album.
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#5 Posted on 7.4.02 1236.43
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yeah, you got a point there. RAH was a very ep-ish album.
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#6 Posted on 8.4.02 0229.34
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Is traditional metal dead? With bands like Iced Earth, Black Label Society and Nevermore still out there, metal is just getting ready for another golden age...not to mention the great bands from metal sub-genres like In Flames, Children of Bodom, and Blind Guardian.

Still sucks that MegaDave is now gone. Bah.
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#7 Posted on 10.4.02 2104.19
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    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    Taken from Metal-Sludge and KNAC's website, who in turn got it from megadeth.com, IIRC:



    ---------------------------------------------------------

    DAVE MUSTAINE -- FOUNDER, VOCALIST, AND LEAD GUITARIST OF METAL PIONEERS MEGADETH -- SUFFERS SERIOUS INJURY, ANNOUNCES DEPARTURE FROM MEGADETH;

    GROUP DISBANDING AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS TOGETHER



    During the first week of January 2002, while Megadeth was on hiatus, in Texas, I suffered an injury that caused severe nerve damage to my left arm and hand. It was diagnosed as Radial Neuropathy - specifically, a "compressed radial nerve." My doctors tell me it will take about a year to make as complete a recovery as I can, and even then, we don't know how complete that is going to be. I am working hard with a great team of doctors and physical therapists daily, and God willing, someday I hope to play guitar again.



    In the meantime, while I work on rebuilding my arm, I will take this opportunity to reappraise my career and my future. For the time being I have decided to exit Megadeth, and explore other areas of the music business where I might make a contribution without being able to play my instrument.



    I have had a terrific time singing and playing for you while I was in Megadeth. I am truly grateful for all of the numerous Gold, Platinum, and Multi-Platinum Records I have been awarded, as well as the many International Record Awards. And I can never thank you, our fans past and present, enough for your loyalty and affection over the years.



    My immediate goals now are to do what I can to make something good come out of this terrible situation. First and foremost, I want to use this opportunity to devote more time, energy and attention to my wife Pam and my two children, Justis and Electra. Pam has done a wonderful job carrying the load while I was a long-distance husband and father in the studio or criss-crossing the world on tour, but in terms of being a Gold or Platinum parent, I have a long way to go, and I'm eager to get started.



    In closing I would like to depart with the beautiful French words I wrote on the record Youthanasia: "A tout le monde, a tous mes amis, Je vous aime, Je dois partir." (To all the world, to all my friends. I love you, I have to leave)



    Dave Mustaine

    April 3rd, 2002

    ---------------------------------------------------------



    Ack. Now one of the last "true" metal bands has apparently bit the dust. With Mustaine's injury, James Hetfield's rehab from alcohol and drug abuse, and Jason Newstead leaving Metallica, is traditional metal as we know it dead?



It's really sad to see them go. Then again, you wonder if Megadeth could live on with another lead vocalist? While Megadeth had some killer riffs and some of the Marty Friedman / Al Pitrelli solos were amazing, Dave Mustaine was never really a good singer.

With a new front man and some good covers of their post - Countdown to Extinction stuff this band could build an absolutely massive following. Mustaine's lyrics,a t their best, match it with most of what U2 can produce.
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#8 Posted on 11.4.02 1432.49
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Oh yeah.

Who will forget the lyrical classic "High Speed Dirt"?

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a big Megadeth fan, but... most of the songs aren't really as good as U2 songs.

(edited by Guru Zim on 11.4.02 1233)
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#9 Posted on 11.4.02 1909.49
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Oh yeah.

    Who will forget the lyrical classic "High Speed Dirt"?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a big Megadeth fan, but... most of the songs aren't really as good as U2 songs.

    (edited by Guru Zim on 11.4.02 1233)



If you want to pan their lyrics, why not pick a song that has political meaning rather than a more lighthearted one about skydiving? I mean it would be like saying that: "A mole digging in a hoel digging in my soul... excavation" is the best that U2 can come up with!

Lets start by looking at some fo the other songs off that same album:

SYMPHONY OF DESTRUCTION
"You take a mortal man
and put him in control
Watch him bcome a G-d
when people's heads are rolled
Just like a pied piper
lead rats through the streets
We dance like marionettes
swaying to symphony of destruction"

A song very critical of absolute power being held by one person. Concentrate too much power in a "mortal man" - a Joe off the street and he will lead his people to their death like the pied piper lead rats.

FORECLOSURE OF A DREAM
"Rise so high yet so far to fall
A plan of dignity and balance for all
Political breakthrough euphoria's high
More borrowed money more borrowed time
Trapped in a corner caught up in a race
A means to an end ended in disgrace
And all perspective is lost in the spirit of the chase
..."

A song about revolution gone bad, or why socialist revolution is almost always doomed to failure. How the end = a utopia - doesn't justify the means, and in some cases the end is forgotten along the way. Again, a lyrical masterpiece by Mustaine.

COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION
"Endangered species caged in fright
Shot in cold blood no chance to fight
The stage is set now pay the prie
An ego boost, don't think twice
Technology; the battle's unfair
You pull the hammer without a care
Killed a few feet from the cages
Point blank, you're so corrageous

All are gone, all but one
No contest; nowhere to run
All are gone, all but one
This is it. This is the Countdown to Extinction

..."

Another lyrically brilliant song about how humans unfairly kill animals, making the 'survival of the fittest' an unfair battle because of man's huge technological advantage.

ASHES IN YOUR MOUTH
"People have round shoulders from fairing heavy loads
And the soldiers 'liberate' them, laying mines along their roads
Sorrow paid for valor is too much to recall
Of the countless corpses piled up along the wailing wall

Melting down all metals, turning plows and shears to swords
Shun words of the Bible, we need implements of war
Chalklines and red puddles of those who have been slain
Destiny, that crooked schemer, says the dead shall rise again

Where do we go from here?
And should we really care?
The end is finally here,
G-d have mercy!

Now we've rewritten history
The one thing we've found out
Sweet taste of vindication
It turns to ashes in your mouth

..."

This song captures in its lyrics the realization of the tradgedy of war, even after victory. When the "sweet taste of vindication turns to ashes in your mouth". How people shun religion ("Shun words of the Bible") to fight a battle justified by liberating people,a nd yet with mines along their roads life is worse. How religion is used to justify war ("...the dead shall rise again") and yet the actions and results of war absolutely shun its principles ("countless corpses piled up along the wailing wall").

ARCHITECTURE OF AGRESSION
"Born from the dark,
In the black cloak of night
To envelop its prey below,
Deliver to the light
To eliminate your enemy,
Hit them in their sleep,
And when all is won and lost,
The spoils of wars are yours to keep

Chorus
Great nations built from the bones of the dead,
With mud and straw, blood and sweat,
You own the world when your enemies
Praise your architecture of aggression!

..."

Again, another song about the real nature of war. When your army is so strong that even your enemies praise it you can moe into any battle you like and keep the spoils - more or less the position the USA is in now.

I would analyze more but you get the point. And I'll re-itterate the point that Dave Mustaine is one of the best lyricists in the world. And if you are a Megadeth fan it might pay to open up the song book, read, and think about the meanings of the songs that he's singing about. Most of them have a lot of meaning at several levels.

They have (had ?) their downsides, as I said earlier Dave Mustaine's singing is one of them. But their lyrics aren't. And I'm sure if you got a new lead vocalist and a half decent lead guitarist, and promoted them right, they would enjoy absolutely huge success.
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#10 Posted on 12.4.02 1230.18
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Don't get me wrong. I am a fan, but I consider them a guilty pleasure.

I can counter with the other songs you left off from that album All lyrics are copyright their respective owners (and cut and pasted from a geocities site http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9331/megadeth/countdowntoextinction.html)

The following is pretty much a bad poem everyone wrote in high school at one point.


This Was My Life

It was just another day
It was just another fight
It was words strung into sentences
It was doomed to not be right
There is something wrong with me
There is something wrong with you
There is nothing left of us
There is one thing I can do

Lying on your bed,
Examining my head
This is the part of me that hates
Paybacks are a bitch
I throw the switch
Somewhere an electric chair awaits
Hey! This was my life
Hey! This was my fate

This was the wrong thing to do
This was the wrong one to be doing
This was the road to destiny
This was the road to my ruin

Now there's motives for the suspect
Now there's nothing left to say
Now there's method to the madness
Now there's society to pay

In our life there's if
In our beliefs there's lie
In our business there's sin
In our bodies there's die

This was my life
This was my fate



Here is High Speed Dirt, which I contend is more about jumping from a plane to your death, than about sky diving. I think the phrase "I'm a dirt torpedo" clears up where he was going with this song.


High Speed Dirt

Do it if you dare
Leaping from the sky
Hurling thru the air
Exhilarating high
See the earth below
Soon to make a crater
Blue sky, black death
I'm off to meet my maker
Energy of the gods, adrenalin surge
Won't stop til I hit the ground, I'm on my way for sure
Up here in the air, this will never hurt
I'm on my way to impact, taste the high speed dirt

Paralyzed with fear
Feel velocity gain
Entering a near
Catatonic state
Pressure of the sound
Roaring thru my head
Crash into the ground
Damned if I'll be dead

Jump or die!

Dropping all my weight
Going down full throttle
The pale horse awaits
Like a genie in a bottle
Fire in my veins
Faster as I go
I forgot my name
I'm a dirt torpedo

High speed dirt...


And finally, I think I can make my point with Psychotron. What the hell is this song even about? A Science fiction metal song? Sorry, it doesn't do it for me in terms of great lyrics.


Psychotron

Assassin in stealth
Assailant from Hell
Impervious to damage
Computer on-board
Engaged in a war
Non-stop combatant
Maybe not a mutant, maybe a man
Part bionic
And organic
Not a cyborg
Call him Psychotron

Burning inside
Godspeed in glide
Battle plan running
A killing machine
Just downright mean
And forever gunning
Maybe not a mutant, maybe a man

Target to destroy
Arms in employ
Full assault fire threat
Sensors indicate
You will terminate
Life systems disconnect

Psychotron


Let me reiterate here... I am really truly a fan of Megadeth. You have to realize though, that in the scheme of things, they wrote more bad songs than good.

Don't feel bad. Even the Beatles had Rocky Raccoon. I still like them too








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#11 Posted on 12.4.02 2024.31
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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Don't get me wrong. I am a fan, but I consider them a guilty pleasure.

    I can counter with the other songs you left off from that album All lyrics are copyright their respective owners (and cut and pasted from a geocities site http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9331/megadeth/countdowntoextinction.html)

    The following is pretty much a bad poem everyone wrote in high school at one point.


    This Was My Life

    It was just another day
    It was just another fight
    It was words strung into sentences
    It was doomed to not be right
    There is something wrong with me
    There is something wrong with you
    There is nothing left of us
    There is one thing I can do

    Lying on your bed,
    Examining my head
    This is the part of me that hates
    Paybacks are a bitch
    I throw the switch
    Somewhere an electric chair awaits
    Hey! This was my life
    Hey! This was my fate

    This was the wrong thing to do
    This was the wrong one to be doing
    This was the road to destiny
    This was the road to my ruin

    Now there's motives for the suspect
    Now there's nothing left to say
    Now there's method to the madness
    Now there's society to pay

    In our life there's if
    In our beliefs there's lie
    In our business there's sin
    In our bodies there's die

    This was my life
    This was my fate



    Here is High Speed Dirt, which I contend is more about jumping from a plane to your death, than about sky diving. I think the phrase "I'm a dirt torpedo" clears up where he was going with this song.


    High Speed Dirt

    Do it if you dare
    Leaping from the sky
    Hurling thru the air
    Exhilarating high
    See the earth below
    Soon to make a crater
    Blue sky, black death
    I'm off to meet my maker
    Energy of the gods, adrenalin surge
    Won't stop til I hit the ground, I'm on my way for sure
    Up here in the air, this will never hurt
    I'm on my way to impact, taste the high speed dirt

    Paralyzed with fear
    Feel velocity gain
    Entering a near
    Catatonic state
    Pressure of the sound
    Roaring thru my head
    Crash into the ground
    Damned if I'll be dead

    Jump or die!

    Dropping all my weight
    Going down full throttle
    The pale horse awaits
    Like a genie in a bottle
    Fire in my veins
    Faster as I go
    I forgot my name
    I'm a dirt torpedo

    High speed dirt...


    And finally, I think I can make my point with Psychotron. What the hell is this song even about? A Science fiction metal song? Sorry, it doesn't do it for me in terms of great lyrics.


    Psychotron

    Assassin in stealth
    Assailant from Hell
    Impervious to damage
    Computer on-board
    Engaged in a war
    Non-stop combatant
    Maybe not a mutant, maybe a man
    Part bionic
    And organic
    Not a cyborg
    Call him Psychotron

    Burning inside
    Godspeed in glide
    Battle plan running
    A killing machine
    Just downright mean
    And forever gunning
    Maybe not a mutant, maybe a man

    Target to destroy
    Arms in employ
    Full assault fire threat
    Sensors indicate
    You will terminate
    Life systems disconnect

    Psychotron


    Let me reiterate here... I am really truly a fan of Megadeth. You have to realize though, that in the scheme of things, they wrote more bad songs than good.

    Don't feel bad. Even the Beatles had Rocky Raccoon. I still like them too











Well look, Zim, no-one thinks about politics 24 / 7. Note even George W. Bush. Not Bill Clinton. Mussolini didn't. Neither did Che Guevara or Lenin. No-one on either side of politics, and it is / was their job.

And between 10 studio albums ("Killing is my Business", "Peace Sells", "So Far So Good", "Rust in Peace", "Countdown to Extinction", "Youthanasia", "Hidden Treasures", "Cryptic Writings", "Risk", "The World Needs a Hero"; I'm not counting any of the live albums, the re-release of KIMB or Capitol Punishment here) you will have some absolute shit. But for every piece of shit there is just as much lyrical brilliance.

It would be amazing if they could fill 10 albums with war and political lyrics, but then again people don't think about war and politics 24 / 7.

With High Speed Dirt, the song was written when Dave Mustaine was kicking speed and other bad habbits, and was lookign for a new high; so he took up sky diving. Part of the rush of sky diving is that you are dropping from a plane, possibly to you death; and it's a fear that's always there.

And I'm guessing the story behind Psychotron was that Marty Friedman and Dave Mustaine had some futuristic riffs for which they needed lyrics for.
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#12 Posted on 12.4.02 2322.19
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Most of Dave's lyrics are either hit or miss, silly crap or something quite good.

Comparing U2 to Megadeth is like comparing apples and oranges. U2 is mainly pop-rock(although I'm not a fan, so maybe I'm wrong), and the bulk of Megadeth's music is thrash metal. Also, may I point out, being thrash metal, the lyrics are not that important. If someone listens to thrash for the lyrics, then they are missing the point.
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#13 Posted on 13.4.02 1732.45
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On a side note, High Speed Dirt has now been running through my head for the last five days, dammit
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#14 Posted on 14.4.02 0246.52
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Some random responses to other posts in this thread:

Originally posted by Guru Zim:
On a side note, High Speed Dirt has now been running through my head for the last five days, dammit

Heh heh... sucker. Oh yes, by the way...

HIGH SPEED DIRT!! DUH NUH NUH NUH NAHH DO DO DAH
HIGH SPEED DIRT!! DUH NUH NUH NUH NAHH DO DO DAH

Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)

Originally posted by AJ_Levy:
Then again, you wonder if Megadeth could live on with another lead vocalist? While Megadeth had some killer riffs and some of the Marty Friedman / Al Pitrelli solos were amazing, Dave Mustaine was never really a good singer.

The problem with that is the idea that Dave Mustaine IS Megadeth. The band was his way of getting back at Metallica for kicking him out shortly before recording and releasing "Kill 'Em All." Megadeth without Dave Mustaine's kinda like Creedence Clearwater Revisited (read: CCR without John Fogerty) - both really don't work that well.

Also, word has it that guitarist Al Pitrelli has already rejoined his old band, Savatage.

Originally posted by Papercuts:
"Traditional metal" really "died" after Metallica's black album was released.

Did it really, though? While, in retrospect, 1991 and 1992 were metal's proverbial last breath, I see it as more of an evolution. While Metallica essentially gave up on most of its speed metal roots, it was still better than 99% of the stuff out there. I don't think you start to see Metalliac hit the shitter until "Chode," er, I mean, "Load."

Also, look at "Countdown to Extinction," released in 1992. Perhaps it wasn't as blazingly fast or aggressive at prior albums, but Megadeth's sound evolved into an (admittedly) more commercial sound that still maintained most of the aggression and chops.

That's why you have bands like Megadeth and Metallica surviving well into the 90s, while other bands like Slaughter and Trixter and Firehouse ate the big one, yo.

Also, I guess I define "traditional metal" as the sounds of 80s metal, in all its various forms. What passes for metal today seems to lack some of the melody and chops of years gone by.

Originally posted by P-Man:
Is traditional metal dead? With bands like Iced Earth, Black Label Society and Nevermore still out there, metal is just getting ready for another golden age...not to mention the great bands from metal sub-genres like In Flames, Children of Bodom, and Blind Guardian.

I'm completely unfamiliar with all of the above - with the sole exception of Black Label Society, which I know is Zakk Wylde's (Ozzy's guitarist) band. Never heard any of the music, though - hope it's not the same nu-metal crap that's flooding the airwaves.
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#15 Posted on 14.4.02 2315.11
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No RageRockrr, the bands I mentioned are 100% NOT this nu-metal mallcore crap. Iced Earth is pretty much a combination of Iron Maiden and old Metallica, Black Label Society has a southern metal sound going, Nevermore is psychotic sounding thrash with a singer who sounds like Geoff Tate on a killing spree, In Flames puts out very melodic and yet very heavy music with a black metal(which means he screams as if he was getting tortured)singer, Children of Bodom have the thrash/death metal sound with a heavy keyboard presence, and Blind Guardian are power metal, with the dragons and wizards theme. Iced Earth is the best of the bunch.

Ok, I am done promoting my favorite bands now.

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#16 Posted on 15.4.02 0919.58
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The singing never really bothered me. It's like Billy Corgan and James Labrie, once you get used to them they are definitely tolerable.

B.t.w, didn't anybody like Youthansia? Or Risk?

Seriously, you guys should check out Arch Enemy... THEY ARE THE NEW BREED!!!!

And Megadeth is done...FOR NOW. Mustaine might fully recover and then they might reform.
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#17 Posted on 15.4.02 1218.42
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    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    Did it really, though? While, in retrospect, 1991 and 1992 were metal's proverbial last breath, I see it as more of an evolution. While Metallica essentially gave up on most of its speed metal roots, it was still better than 99% of the stuff out there. I don't think you start to see Metalliac hit the shitter until "Chode," er, I mean, "Load."
Uh, Load followed The Black Album. In other words, they hit the shitter after the Black Album. Traiditional metal read the writing on the wall and moved to a more "alternative" sound, hoping they'd be able to fit in with the Nirvanas and Alice In Chains of the world. Megadeath did the same thing. Part of their statement on this always was "We grew up." And while I'm sure that was part of the equation involved in the change, I know full well Metallica is run like a business. Not adapting to the current sound would have been bad business.
that's why you have bands like Megadeth and Metallica surviving well into the 90s, while other bands like Slaughter and Trixter and Firehouse ate the big one.
No, those three bands "ate the big one" because they were signed at the end of the pop hair metal craze Def Leppard was responsible for, after all the other bands had been signed and the "scenes" had been milked dry. And America realized they really weren't that good. The same argument can be made about the "alternative" scene. You had bands like Seaweed, for example, who had been together maybe a week and were signed simply because they were from Seattle. All the while a band like Dead Moon, who's been around for 15 or 20 years -- and one of Pearl Jam's influences -- still struggles in obscurity. Check out the documentary "Hype!" for a closer look at this phenomenon. It's not just exclusive to the alternative scene. The film will give you somewhat of a better understanding of how blind and bumbling (for lack of a better term) the music industry really is.
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#18 Posted on 17.4.02 1721.56
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Originally posted by Papercuts!:

    Uh, Load followed The Black Album. In other words, they hit the shitter after the Black Album.


Then I misinterpreted what you said earlier. We're both on the same page here.


    Traiditional metal read the writing on the wall and moved to a more "alternative" sound, hoping they'd be able to fit in with the Nirvanas and Alice In Chains of the world. Megadeath did the same thing. Part of their statement on this always was "We grew up." And while I'm sure that was part of the equation involved in the change, I know full well Metallica is run like a business. Not adapting to the current sound would have been bad business.


I think my problems with this statement are the following:
1 - Define "alternative."
2 - While I'm not sure I could define "alternative" as applied to the music business, I'd give examples of what I consider to be alternative artists: Rage Against the Machine, Nine Inch Nails, and Garbage, to name a few. Basically, I consider them to be artists that don't fit neatly into whatever terms the biz is using for genres.
3 - Unless I'm totally misinterpreting what you're saying, repeat the following phrase with me:
"The Black Album is not 'alternative.' The Black Album is not 'alternative.' The Black Album is not 'alternative.'"
Bob Rock produced the Black Album. This is the same guy that produced "Sonic Temple" by the Cult and "Dr. Feelgood" by Motley Crue. While I'll concede that "Chode" definitely moves into sounds with grunge and what might be considered "alternative," the Black Album sounds too much like "Sonic Temple" and "Dr. Feelgood" (great hard rock albums) for me to consider it "alternative."

Same thing with Megadeth. I'm not sure I'd call "Countdown to Extinction" an "alternative" record.


    No, those three bands (Slaughter, Trixter, Firehouse) "ate the big one" because they were signed at the end of the pop hair metal craze Def Leppard was responsible for, after all the other bands had been signed and the "scenes" had been milked dry. And America realized they really weren't that good.


I think we're saying the same thing again here, just for different reasons. You're saying they sucked because it was the biz scrapping the bottom of the barrel. I'm saying they sucked because they couldn't do anything interesting after one album or one song.


    Check out the documentary "Hype!" for a closer look at this phenomenon. It's not just exclusive to the alternative scene. The film will give you somewhat of a better understanding of how blind and bumbling (for lack of a better term) the music industry really is.


I've got a music business degree and I used to work in the biz before I went to law school. Believe me, I know how fucked up it is.
Oh, to go on a total tangent and respond to a different post:
Originally posted by Acrid:

    B.t.w, didn't anybody like Youthansia? Or Risk?


I listened to Youthanasia once, and never played it again. Never bought Risk, but I didn't really like "Crush 'Em," so that kinda persuaded me not to get the album. IMHO, "Countdown" and "Cryptic Writings" are much better albums. Even "The World Needs A Hero" is a better album.
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#19 Posted on 17.4.02 1934.01
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    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    I think my problems with this statement are the following:
    1 - Define "alternative."
    2 - While I'm not sure I could define "alternative" as applied to the music business,

We are saying the same things here. As for the whole "alternative" thing, I was going by the "MTV" definition, since we're talking mainstream mentality here. You know, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dinosaur Jr., RATM and the like. I HATE HATE HATE the phrase "alternative" when it comes to music. It's all rock and roll to me.

    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    Unless I'm totally misinterpreting what you're saying, repeat the following phrase with me: "The Black Album is not 'alternative.'
Just misunderstanding. No biggie. Like I said, we're saying the same thing. I never implied the Black album was alternative. I WAS, however, implying that Load is Metallica's attempt at being "alternative."
    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    I'm not sure I'd call "Countdown to Extinction" an "alternative" record.
Nor would I. Everything after, though, is certainly an attempt to move into that vein.
    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    I think we're saying the same thing again here, just for different reasons.
Yep. High five. :)
    Originally posted by RageRockrr
    I've got a music business degree and I used to work in the biz before I went to law school.
That's awesome! I worked heavily in music journalism for about four years and worked closely with a number of bands, too.
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