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#1 Posted on 23.12.04 1313.28
Reposted on: 23.12.11 1315.59
I'm glad to see someone in power in the Dems is seeing the problems that I've been flustered about since November. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have thrown their support for DNC chair to former Indiana Rep. Tim Roemer. I like the sound of this guy from this article originally in the LA Times (story.news.yahoo.com)

    Originally posted by Tim Roemer thoughts
    Roemer said he would not try to change the minds of abortion rights supporters. But he also said he would encourage the party to eliminate its "moral blind spot" when it comes to late-term abortions.


    "We should be talking more about adoption as an alternative, and working with our churches to sponsor some of those adoptions," Roemer said Wednesday from his Washington office. He said he was calling 40 to 50 delegates a day to make his pitch. Most of all, he said, he thinks that abortion opponents would be more comfortable if the party talked about the issue in a more open-minded manner.


    "We must be able to campaign in 50 states, not just the blue states or 20 states," said Roemer, referring to the most Democratic-leaning states.


The GOP showed vulnerability on issues of tangible measurement in the earthly realm. But when millions of voters won't even hear you out because they think you are not sitting right with God, you have to change the approach.
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#2 Posted on 23.12.04 1731.45
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If Roemer does get the DNC Chair position, it will be the second time within a year that Howard Dean couldn't seal the deal within the Democratic Party. If that happens, it would be tough to spin the argument that the Democrats need to run further left, as if that won't work within their own party, how will it play in elections where Democrats don't compose the entire electorate.
The thing the DNC needs most from the new chair is for the chair to not seem as condescending as Terry has over the past 4 years. At least when Rendell was chair, I could watch him being interviewed without despising him, something that I definitely can't say about Terry.

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#3 Posted on 23.12.04 1801.33
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I'll be honest, I will be shocked if Roemer gets it simply because of his abortion stance. But if the Democrats do give him the post, good for them. It proves that they have learned something.
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    If Roemer does get the DNC Chair position, it will be the second time within a year that Howard Dean couldn't seal the deal within the Democratic Party.
Which is why if he really wanted to run for President again, he had no business getting involved with this mess.
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#4 Posted on 24.12.04 0053.18
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    Originally posted by Tim Roemer
    "We should be talking more about adoption as an alternative, and working with our churches to sponsor some of those adoptions," Roemer said Wednesday from his Washington office.


Sounds awfully like a faith-based initiative to me.

    Originally posted by spf
    The GOP showed vulnerability on issues of tangible measurement in the earthly realm. But when millions of voters won't even hear you out because they think you are not sitting right with God, you have to change the approach.


Two problems I can see with this assertion:

1.) You made it up out of whole cloth.

2.) Your buddy Roemer is trying to get in with these Jesus-lovin' crazies, and you're over here badmouthing 'em. We mustn't condescend so overtly.
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#5 Posted on 24.12.04 0324.40
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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Originally posted by Tim Roemer
      "We should be talking more about adoption as an alternative, and working with our churches to sponsor some of those adoptions," Roemer said Wednesday from his Washington office.


    Sounds awfully like a faith-based initiative to me.

      Originally posted by spf
      The GOP showed vulnerability on issues of tangible measurement in the earthly realm. But when millions of voters won't even hear you out because they think you are not sitting right with God, you have to change the approach.


    Two problems I can see with this assertion:

    1.) You made it up out of whole cloth.

    2.) Your buddy Roemer is trying to get in with these Jesus-lovin' crazies, and you're over here badmouthing 'em. We mustn't condescend so overtly.

First off, no matter which set of numbers you choose to believe, a large chunk of voters chose moral values as their main reason for their vote. But here's a set to work with (beliefnet.com)

Which One Issue Mattered Most in Deciding How You Voted for President? (Check only one) Kerry Bush Nader
Taxes
Percentage of Electorate: 5 43% 57% 0%
Education
Percentage of Electorate: 4 73% 26% --
Iraq
Percentage of Electorate: 15 73% 26% 0%
Terrorism
Percentage of Electorate: 19 14% 86% 0%
Economy/Jobs
Percentage of Electorate: 20 80% 18% 0%
Moral Values
Percentage of Electorate: 22 18% 80% 1%
Health Care
Percentage of Electorate: 8 77% 23% --

In all of the other categories, you can make a case very easily that the candidate who won did a better of job of telling people why voting for them would improve the lives of the voters regarding that issue. But Moral Values is much more nebulous. Old men who will never have abortions and married straight couples who will never have to fight to get married are not being personally impacted by that issue. And since Bush took a 80% chunk from nearly 1/4 of the electorate, that's a massive vote bloc. Shift that vote even to 65-35 Bush and see where the numbers go. Otherwise on everything but Terrorism which Bush was never going to lose on since he climbed the rubble after 9/11, there is nowhere that the GOP dominates, and the next GOP candidate won't have that post 9/11 glow to use for the terror debate unless it's Rudy. Otherwise it's very tight or dominated by the Dems. So no, I don't really think the notion that the GOP won by appealing much more convincingly to voters who are choosing a candidate based on how they feel their moral compass is aligned is at all an indefensible notion. And as for the mention of God, considering this time of year people hammer home to me that we are a Christian nation full of Christians living under Christian laws and that saying "Happy Holidays" is making Jesus angry...I don't think I'm out of line in assuming most of those folks who chose "moral values" are likely to be devout believers in Jesus of Nazareth's divinity.

As for the second point, that's why he's running for DNC chair and not me. Instead I can stay on the interweb and be quite open about how I think most people who voted for Bush are arguments against democracy being a viable form of government. See, I'm an asshole, and I vote Democrat. But I promise, if I ever run for public office to be very nice to everyone, even people who say dinosaurs are a fraud made up by atheists. ;)
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